Forums are depressing - I'm having fun, is anyone else having fun?

tinythinker · May 2014

oren74 wrote: »

Am I the only one in this game having fun?

No.

[The forums reflect how the behavior of other people influences mood and attitude. If only one or two forum members were crassly mocking ZOS and other players, having virtual screaming fits, and issuing unreasonable ultimatums*, it would stand out and they would be chastised or ignored. It would not be seen as a legitimate way to express frustration or to release tension. But when a few more join in and are not ignored or roundly rebuked, it starts seeming normal. It seems more OK to behave that way, so a few more do so. Some of the people who get fed up with such behavior start to avoid posting, ad in turn the behavior seems even more common, allowing the atmosphere to get a little more toxic.

For some people the attention and the conflict is addicting. I've seen this before many times on internet forums based on topics ranging from video games to politics and religion. At one such site I recently re-visited, there are people now asking to be banned by the moderators because they don't like their own behavior when they post yet they are hooked on the drama and on getting one up on someone else. On feeling morally superior by virtue of their actions, thoughts, or beliefs. So either folks who don't like this kind of thing on message forums can avoid the boards or ignore the rudeness on them and post positive/constructive things. The third option, trying to be the ethical police without moderator powers, will burn you out really fast, so if anyone is considering it I'd advise against it. Life is too short for such needless stress over a game.

*This does not apply to most or all complaints, concerns, or criticisms on the forums.]

Cogo · May 2014

This thread isnt just great but what a forum should be like. Building a community and get info from eachother and the DEVS

Love to read it. Love the game. I get more and more trust in Zenimax of their actions fixing the game, giving us info and giving us all the tool we can, to help them battle the goldsellers.

This is my new home. Sorry EQ....you getting to you, old pal.

Sunrock · May 2014

Yes I'm having fun over all.... But they wont improve the game if I don't point out every thing that is wrong with the game either. Because even if I'm having fun in the game because the concept of the game is really good, the quality in the way they have built the game is crap. They need to spend allot of time to polish the game more.

Zheg · May 2014

Khazaad wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Sure, the game is fun, and forums will typically have more negative voices than positive ones, but right now the criticism on the forums is largely warranted.

Yeah and everyone on the forums thinks they could develop better, know more than professionals and almost exclusively agree the all could pilot a stalled 747 safely to the ground if needed.

Exaggerate much? I love the game and have no intentions of dropping my subscription any time soon, but if you want to paint everyone making legitimate criticism as irrelevant because they aren't employed as game designers, you're probably far too short-sighted to even continue this discussion with.

ZOS has made many, many mistakes and even they admit some of their shortcomings. In my earlier post I didn't say all of the criticism is warranted, but most of it is warranted. It's the nature of the game when you're dealing with an mmo - you'll have bugs and problematic launches, but they've definitely made a few fumbles so far in how they've tried to address them. While the nerd rage hyperbole that can sometimes happen on the forums isn't helpful, neither is being a naive fan boy and trying to insinuate there are no problems at all.

Whisper292 · May 2014

I have no VR characters, two fortyish-level ones and two low-level characters. I experience lag, bugs, bots, trolls, and snarky bankers. I get my butt kicked on a regular basis. And I am having a total blast.

I agree that the forums are depressing. If people hate the game so much, they really should move on to something else. And give the developers a break. The game is huge, and they can only fix so much at a time. Yeah, there are a lot of issues, but damn, people.

ThyIronFist · May 2014

Well if you enjoy playing an unbalanced, beta-quality game, then so be it.

Ohioastro · May 2014

There is a difference between constructive and destructive criticism. A lot of what you see on this forum is far over on the destructive end. Honestly, at this point the forum needs some serious moderating and it needs to have the destructive voices banned. Unmoderated online forums always get toxic

Therium104 · May 2014

Ohioastro wrote: »

There is a difference between constructive and destructive criticism. A lot of what you see on this forum is far over on the destructive end. Honestly, at this point the forum needs some serious moderating and it needs to have the destructive voices banned. Unmoderated online forums always get toxic

I can only assume you think that you represent the constructive side of these? Lol. They always do......

These are by far the worst forums I have read due to the general ignorance of the players posting, cries for nerfs, cries for buffs, and the complete and utter lack of any useful information.

Rev Rielle · June 2014

I enjoy the game - as I've said in earlier posts in this thread - due to the little things that make me smile. Such as:

PhoenixWing · June 2014

Rev Rielle wrote: »

I enjoy the game - as I've said in earlier posts in this thread - due to the little things that make me smile. Such as:

Sorcs can wear heavy armor and be tank too!
Every class can play any role, according to the rumor what ZOS said!

Rev Rielle · June 2014

And another one that made me laugh. My character was informed most assertively by a guard in Evermore:

"If you want to loose ten pounds of ugly fat, I'll be happy to chop off your head"

BrassRazoo · June 2014

They definitely need a *** and moan Sub Forum.
It's not a good image for people coming to check what people are discussing when new or considering subscribing.

drogon1 · June 2014

Nah, I cancelled. Wasn't having enough fun.

I'm a casual. I play 5 different characters across 2 factions, all between 20 and 27. PvP was becoming less fun as people overleveled me more and more, and I was getting gibbed faster and faster (not to mention that Cyro seemed to lag and splutter more and more). (I got one shot by a max vet which was unfun.)

But this would be okay if the xp rolled in fast enough that I could eventually make up ground. No can do. The xp was substantially less than running solo quests (by solo I mean content tuned to single player), or just plain mob grinding (which I cannot do without hating a game).

But it's an MMO so there's always running dungeons (so much fun in this game) to advance your characters (especially if like me you like to play tanks and heals). No can do. Not in ESO. After 1 run you get essentially ZIP xp for completing dungeons.

Which left solo questing. And more solo questing. And did I mention solo questing?

Thus ESO character progression for me turned out to be: solo quest to level 12. Then do 3 really fun dungeons that would get me 2/3 a bar of xp. Then solo quest to 20 to do another 3 really fun dungeons that would get me 2/3 a bar of xp. And then rinse and repeat every 7-8 levels to level 50. In short, ESO to 50 is a solo questers dream.

But not really an MMO experience.

Apparently, at level 50, you're supposed to do the same quest content of the other zones. Seriously? No thanks. Already did that on my alts. But, I hear, at least the dungeons actually allow you to progress your character at VR levels. Guess I'll never know.

ESO is a large and ambitious MMO. It has really fun game play and flexible class design. Open world pvp is a hoot. BUT, ESO has some of the most restrictive character progression of any MMO I've played (and I've played most of the big ones). At this point, I worry that ESO will not appeal broadly enough to the typical player of the MMO genre to adequately fund its development.

RavenSworn · June 2014

drogon1 wrote: »

Nah, I cancelled. Wasn't having enough fun.

I'm a casual. I play 5 different characters across 2 factions, all between 20 and 27. PvP was becoming less fun as people overleveled me more and more, and I was getting gibbed faster and faster (not to mention that Cyro seemed to lag and splutter more and more). (I got one shot by a max vet which was unfun.)

But this would be okay if the xp rolled in fast enough that I could eventually make up ground. No can do. The xp was substantially less than running solo quests (by solo I mean content tuned to single player), or just plain mob grinding (which I cannot do without hating a game).

But it's an MMO so there's always running dungeons (so much fun in this game) to advance your characters (especially if like me you like to play tanks and heals). No can do. Not in ESO. After 1 run you get essentially ZIP xp for completing dungeons.

Which left solo questing. And more solo questing. And did I mention solo questing?

Thus ESO character progression for me turned out to be: solo quest to level 12. Then do 3 really fun dungeons that would get me 2/3 a bar of xp. Then solo quest to 20 to do another 3 really fun dungeons that would get me 2/3 a bar of xp. And then rinse and repeat every 7-8 levels to level 50. In short, ESO to 50 is a solo questers dream.

But not really an MMO experience.

Apparently, at level 50, you're supposed to do the same quest content of the other zones. Seriously? No thanks. Already did that on my alts. But, I hear, at least the dungeons actually allow you to progress your character at VR levels. Guess I'll never know.

ESO is a large and ambitious MMO. It has really fun game play and flexible class design. Open world pvp is a hoot. BUT, ESO has some of the most restrictive character progression of any MMO I've played (and I've played most of the big ones). At this point, I worry that ESO will not appeal broadly enough to the typical player of the MMO genre to adequately fund its development.

not too sure how you play during your time, but this game rewards exploration, opening chests, doing Anchors, doing mini-anchors, levelling up your crafting, grouping up for public dungeons ( which is different from the instanced dungeons), looking out for mini events like solving a fight between two npcs of the same faction... i mean, the quests are well made, even if it does get repetitive after a while. but the voice acting, the environment... i dont see why i should level up my character using just instanced dungeons. i have alot more options and you are just limitting yourself to one. o_O

tylerdavidsonb14_ESO · June 2014

I haven't read this whole thread, but I guess I don't really need to. To answer your question...NO....you are not the only one. I love this game. Absolutely love it. I have been playing since early access and even though my main is only lvl 15 (took me awhile to finally settle on a class AND RL gets in the way of me playing for 8 hours straight) I still love every part of this game.

I have play through the starter islands 4 or 5 times and you know what....even if I decided to do it again....I would STILL enjoy the hell out of it. I honestly cannot wait until I get higher level now with my sorc main that I have settled on.

I remember when I first played WoW vanilla....the game captivated me and all I wanted to do was play it. As with all things I got tired of WoW. BUt I have been searching for that same feeling for game after game after game after game. ALL have failed. Even SWTOR which considering I am a huge Star Wars dork SHOULD have been the game to end all games for me. But it failed. All of the MMO's lately have failed.

But ESO.......it has done it. It makes me feel like WoW did back in 2007. And dare I say it....yes I dares....it is better than WoW. Long live ESO. Long live Subscription based ESO. For when the subscription requirement falls so does the quality of the game.

drogon1 · June 2014

uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

not too sure how you play during your time, but this game rewards exploration, opening chests, doing Anchors, doing mini-anchors, levelling up your crafting, grouping up for public dungeons ( which is different from the instanced dungeons), looking out for mini events like solving a fight between two npcs of the same faction... i mean, the quests are well made, even if it does get repetitive after a while. but the voice acting, the environment... i dont see why i should level up my character using just instanced dungeons. i have alot more options and you are just limitting yourself to one. o_O

"using just instanced dungeons" - seriously? Why does someone take a reasonable argument and make it sound ridiculously extreme? Why "just" instanced? Who's arguing that? I want instanced dungeons to be ANOTHER option for leveling, not the ONLY way. Grr.

All the things you mentioned are a lot of fun. But I typically do them all solo - including public dungeons. Take anchors for example. You may or may not group for the few minutes it takes to do one.

In any event, the only challenging PvE content I have found in game are the normal instanced dungeons that REQUIRE a group to do. They are well done and a lot of fun. So why are you not allowed to advance your character doing them?

Look, the game is designed for the solo quester atm. 95% of your time to level 50 is going to be getting xp doing solo content (you can be grouped for it, but it becomes even more boring if you do so lol). If you like primarily healing or tanking, this is not the game for you pre-50. All the things you mentioned are well and good but to my mind still fall into that solo category. ESO is a very good soloer's MMO.

Tannakaobi · June 2014

Axer wrote: »

Around 70% of my guild are leveling DKs so we can still keep playing and be competitive.

Haha! They will be disappointed.

ClaudiaMay · June 2014

Having fun here! I'd write out a detailed explanation of why, but sorry to busy playing and having fun to

Maverick827 · June 2014

I was having fun on my DK, but then they nerfed shield bash and I couldn't play that character anymore.

So I made a melee Sorcorer, but then they nerfed ultimate generation on crits, and now I'm not sure if this character is viable anymore, either.

So, I was having fun. Twice, in fact.

Now I'm not sure what I can do to make the game fun again. I feel like whatever I choose is just going to be nerfed again.

Muletide · June 2014

I just got my nerfed out-sword & board swinging-heavy armor wearing-stamina hogging-DK tank to VR2.... and I'm loving it! At first I was not looking forward to the VR grind, but once I got there... there was no problem at all!
It felt fresh to be adventuring in a new land with a developed character and I've made more in game friends in VR1 content than I did 1-50 (I don't care what you play, everyone loves a meat shield). I'm having a blast and owning solo or grouped, so I can't relate to some of the QQ posts. Sure this game is still fresh and needs some kinks ironed out, but overall I feel the QQing has less to do with game mechanics and more to do with poor player skill/adaptation: "It is the poor craftsman that blames his tools."

CTraveler · June 2014

ESO has reignited a spark in me that even Skyrim failed to. It's refreshing to explore the world, find random things to do, and getting caught up in the tiny little details.

Last night I did a good portion of Greenshade's Level 30 quests, and I was genuinely having fun, even though the rough patches. And when I logged out for the night, I was surprised to see that I'd leveled up twice during the entire game play. Went from LV28 to 30. Barely even registered to me when I was playing XD

Cepeza · June 2014

I am having fun with both, playing the game AND reading the forums. I've just put on my thik skin and do not care too much for other people opinion.

Bromburak · June 2014

Eris wrote: »

One thing to consider, most of the people who have few or no complaints are busy playing the game. The forum population and mood doesn't necessarily reflect the reality of what is happening in the game.

Great to read some rare mature stuff in a game forum!

fredarbonab14_ESO · June 2014

This game is simply excellent, and elegant. Has a touch of class I love.

The forums, as usual in every MMO for the last 17 years (since Ultima Online) is already hijacked by the Gloomers, and now has become quite fun because is a great place to combat the usual thrashers.

cf398ub17_ESO · June 2014

i am having great fun just hit vr 10 and life is great

cf398ub17_ESO · June 2014

oren74 wrote: »

Gisgo wrote: »

No Cyrodiil is too laggy and empty to have fun.

Which Cyrodiil are you in? I agree, and made a decision to switch to a different campaign. new one is much more competitive. (Skullcrusher was my original, dominated by AD...I forget which one I just switched to)

should have been in skull crusher the other day we pulled a 24 hour fight against ad it was awesome

LIQUID741 · June 2014

Was having fun till I hit VR, then it just faltered out. Quit playing, and un-sub'd. Still browsing and keeping track of the game via forums..hoping for game-changing implements.

This game has amazing potential, but seems to be being lead by out-of-touch no-cluers.

Synfaer · June 2014

Having a blast.
I love how the difficulty steps up in the vet areas making you rethink your skills & strategy for different mobs. Some skills that were not worth investing in on the road to 50 really shine in the vet areas.
I can understand how this must frustrate those who like to rush to the end, but then I have never understood the rush.
For me, the challenge & enjoyment is winning the battle in front of me, with the gear I have at that moment and with the skills I have available whether it be against a group of 3 random mercenaries or trying to duo a world boss with another player.

reften · June 2014

zhevon wrote: »

NB here - having fun until there is a forced solo boss where I have to wait until I am 5 levels above the boss -or- I get my ass kicked by 3-4 trash mobs 3 levels under me because the mobs spawn on top of me during an encounter or other event -or- public dungeons designed specifically to make stealth totally useless.

c'mon man, you're so doing it wrong...

Synfaer wrote: »

Having a blast.
I love how the difficulty steps up in the vet areas making you rethink your skills & strategy for different mobs. Some skills that were not worth investing in on the road to 50 really shine in the vet areas.
I can understand how this must frustrate those who like to rush to the end, but then I have never understood the rush.
For me, the challenge & enjoyment is winning the battle in front of me, with the gear I have at that moment and with the skills I have available whether it be against a group of 3 random mercenaries or trying to duo a world boss with another player.

Agreed here. Leveling from 1 to 50 was WAY too easy. Just busy work. Now, if I pay attention, think before I act, I don't die. When I run through a bunch of mobs, or try to take on a tough group without full health/magica/stamina, I get toasted.

99% of my deaths were completely avoidable. The other 1% are tough boss fights that take a little luck to win.

mumok · June 2014

Having tons of fun!

I haven't said this before in the forums, but I am VERY thankful to ZOS that they gave us Mac people the opportunity to play. Most companies don't even consider us.