Should the disco ball be removed from Inner Light?

Riksis · May 2014

Get rid of it.

Gosh yes, please get rid of it.

My eyes already bleed every day because of this god damned thing, I'm sure eye cancer will follow soon.

Or make it optional, so people can decide themselves whether they prefer the magical look of this thing circling around (hey, the first couple of minutes even I thought it was cool). I definitely despise it by now.

Maulkin · May 2014

Get rid of it.

I voted to get rid both because it blinds me AND because the droning sound it makes drives me mad.

Instead they should just make that aura/glow emanating from you a little bit more pronounced. You can always check your skill bar to see if it's on or not.

And please, please make it silent ....

Edit: Good initiative btw. I like

ferzalrwb17_ESO · May 2014

No, I like the disco ball

Hodorius wrote: »

madstoogb16_ESO wrote: »

If I see a mage/whatever with it on I tend to avoid them. If it had no animation.. just be stupid.

Fun fact:
You cannot see that ball!
Stop inventing stuff...

Only the caster himself can see it!
It is invisible for everyone else exept people who are grouped with him.

This is the dumbest myth surrounding this.

I don't see that this ball should be a problem for you because you must be nearly legally blind. Yes you can see other people's magelight.

It already needs a nerf to exclude NB cloak (a less than 3 second skill) and just apply to normal stealth. Remove that animation and I'd simply quit PVP. No question about it. It'd be the last straw for a lot of people I'm sure. So if you want to kill PVP quicker than ZOS is doing it themselves... keep demanding more ridiculous stuff like this for easymode sorc class (yes I know it's mage guild tree).

I hope your screenreader correctly translated all this from text to voice.

NakedSnake · May 2014

Get rid of it.

The eyes and your action bar are a dead giveaway. I doubt anyone gauges whether its on or not by looking at anything but the action bar anyway. There is no way that ball is good for anything.

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Hodorius wrote: »

madstoogb16_ESO wrote: »

If I see a mage/whatever with it on I tend to avoid them. If it had no animation.. just be stupid.

Fun fact:
You cannot see that ball!
Stop inventing stuff...

Only the caster himself can see it!
It is invisible for everyone else exept people who are grouped with him.

This is the dumbest myth surrounding this.

I don't see that this ball should be a problem for you because you must be nearly legally blind. Yes you can see other people's magelight.

It already needs a nerf to exclude NB cloak (a less than 3 second skill) and just apply to normal stealth. Remove that animation and I'd simply quit PVP. No question about it. It'd be the last straw for a lot of people I'm sure. So if you want to kill PVP quicker than ZOS is doing it themselves... keep demanding more ridiculous stuff like this for easymode sorc class (yes I know it's mage guild tree).

I hope your screenreader correctly translated all this from text to voice.

This statement is completely false.

Phantorang · May 2014

No, I like the disco ball

I really think it is awesome!

anakaki · May 2014

Get rid of it.

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Hodorius wrote: »

madstoogb16_ESO wrote: »

If I see a mage/whatever with it on I tend to avoid them. If it had no animation.. just be stupid.

Fun fact:
You cannot see that ball!
Stop inventing stuff...

Only the caster himself can see it!
It is invisible for everyone else exept people who are grouped with him.

This is the dumbest myth surrounding this.

I don't see that this ball should be a problem for you because you must be nearly legally blind. Yes you can see other people's magelight.

It already needs a nerf to exclude NB cloak (a less than 3 second skill) and just apply to normal stealth. Remove that animation and I'd simply quit PVP. No question about it. It'd be the last straw for a lot of people I'm sure. So if you want to kill PVP quicker than ZOS is doing it themselves... keep demanding more ridiculous stuff like this for easymode sorc class (yes I know it's mage guild tree).

I hope your screenreader correctly translated all this from text to voice.

No, you can't. Only those in group.

zgrssd · May 2014

Get rid of it.

anakaki wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Hodorius wrote: »

madstoogb16_ESO wrote: »

If I see a mage/whatever with it on I tend to avoid them. If it had no animation.. just be stupid.

Fun fact:
You cannot see that ball!
Stop inventing stuff...

Only the caster himself can see it!
It is invisible for everyone else exept people who are grouped with him.

This is the dumbest myth surrounding this.

I don't see that this ball should be a problem for you because you must be nearly legally blind. Yes you can see other people's magelight.

It already needs a nerf to exclude NB cloak (a less than 3 second skill) and just apply to normal stealth. Remove that animation and I'd simply quit PVP. No question about it. It'd be the last straw for a lot of people I'm sure. So if you want to kill PVP quicker than ZOS is doing it themselves... keep demanding more ridiculous stuff like this for easymode sorc class (yes I know it's mage guild tree).

I hope your screenreader correctly translated all this from text to voice.

No, you can't. Only those in group.

And only if you were in the group when it was cast, not if you group up after the fact. At least that was it for me yesterday.

ferzalrwb17_ESO · May 2014

No, I like the disco ball

NakedSnake wrote: »

This statement is completely false.

Ah ok... trolling. Cool.

For those not in the know and being mislead by trolls.. yes you can see other people's magelight. Of course you can LOL. It's how I avoid being detected in PVP. It's the only way I avoid it. Remove the ball - I quit PVP along with most other NBs I imagine.

Don't let the trolls convince you to keep arguing for things that will destroy this game and drive entire classes away. I'm not sure what their motive is.

I shall perhaps post a screenshot to totally debunk the myth. We really don't need destructive trolling like this.

NakedSnake · May 2014

Get rid of it.

How about this; Keep the animation the same but remove the ball and apply the lighting effect directly to your character while leaving the hands and eye effects intact.

Censorious · May 2014

I'll swear I came across a couple of guys using Magelight yesterday who were not grouped with me.

I remember thinking how unusual it was to have 3 people with magelight sneaking about together. At that point I don't think I'd joined a group. Maybe wrong ofc

EDIT: - I just checked. Absolutely for sure, you can see another players Magelight (your side ofc) without being grouped.

Drazhar14 · May 2014

Get rid of it.

For the people saying its not fair to stealth users because they need to see some indication that the player is using a stealth breaker... there is still glowing blue eyes and fists! You just need to look a bit more carefully.The skill is called Inner Light, represented by the glow. Why an (annoying) outer orb is still there, I have no idea.

Regoras · May 2014

david271749 wrote: »

I'm gonna have to go with bacon on this one.

When in doubt.

Templar_ESO · May 2014

Get rid of it.

Give it a toggle that you can turn on and off. For someone like me who gets migraines, well it will cause you do turn it off when you aren't actually going to be using it. I love the glow on the eyes and arms but the orb is a joke.

kewl · May 2014

No, I like the disco ball

david271749 wrote: »

I'm gonna have to go with bacon on this one.

@david271749 Bacon disco ball?

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Sleepwalker · May 2014

Get rid of it.

Meh, I could do without it...

Now, to the important stuff. Where are we on this whole "bacon" issue?

NordJitsu · May 2014

No, I like the disco ball

I don't know that I "like" or "dislike" it but it is necessary. You need an obvious cue so stealthed players can stay away.

NakedSnake · May 2014

Get rid of it.

Maybe you didn't realize it but everyone and their mother uses magelight in Cyro.
Taken not 20min ago on NA

Me with my light on

Cyrodil

Hmmm..

Nope, no ball there.

Definitely not here.

Double magelight.

Triple magelight.

TheBucket · May 2014

No, I like the disco ball

No.. Dont get rid of the ball. Its the only thing as a Nightblade that makes me keep my distance. You remove it and it makes stealth useless. Its there for a reason.

NordJitsu · May 2014

No, I like the disco ball

TheBucket wrote: »

No.. Dont get rid of the ball. Its the only thing as a Nightblade that makes me keep my distance. You remove it and it makes stealth useless. Its there for a reason.

This.

NakedSnake · May 2014

Get rid of it.

At this point its safe to conclude that anyone who voted no, with the exception of the extreme minority who actually like the disco ball for its esthetics have no understanding of the thread they voted in or the skill it discussed.

NordJitsu · May 2014

No, I like the disco ball

@NakedSnake‌

No, as was explained to you, its necessary to balance the skill against stealth.

NakedSnake · May 2014

Get rid of it.

No, as was explained to you, Stealth and balance do not play a factor in this discussion whatsoever.
The change purposed is only visual and does not affect gameplay.

NordJitsu · May 2014

No, I like the disco ball

@NakedSnake‌

If you really can't see how a giant glowing rotating disco ball makes the skill easier to spot for enemy players who are trying to stealth, then I'm really not sure what to say to you.

I was doing some cross-faction fun with an AD guy I know the other day. He's a NB and he wanted to show me how hard his opener could hit from stealth (though all he said to me was "i want to show you something"). I had Inner Light active and he kept getting detected every time he came near me so he couldn't show me his combo.

He said, "I can't figure out why my stealth isn't working." I told him, "You should have told me you were trying to stealth. I've got Inner Light up."

But there was a bug (that happens most on high latency campaigns) where Inner Light wasn't showing up for him (he couldn't see the ball.) This made it incredibly hard for him to know that I had the skill active and if the skill always worked that way, Mage Light would be OP and stealth would be useless.

Asasinka · May 2014

No, I like the disco ball

Conversely, I'd add some extra rays and fog to be lika real juicy disco light

Jarndyce · May 2014

No, I like the disco ball

I don't mind it. But I haven't played pvp yet.

Laura · May 2014

Get rid of it.

inner light should have light coming from you not the ball. tis annoying

One Two · May 2014

No, I like the disco ball

Guy i got it, let's make crystal fragments an instant cast, instant crit for 300% damage IF the target you are using it on is not a sorc.
and cost 5 magica and reduce the cost of the next spell by 1000 magica and increase magica regeneration by 100% in combat, while buffing a sorc. Spell damage by 100. Also While slotted does the same as magelight does WITH NO animation.

So magelight has to be only used by non sorc.

i think this will work, ZOS you have more work to do on the sorc, it's not nearly as good as it should be.

One Two · May 2014

No, I like the disco ball

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

NakedSnake wrote: »

This statement is completely false.

Ah ok... trolling. Cool.

For those not in the know and being mislead by trolls.. yes you can see other people's magelight. Of course you can LOL. It's how I avoid being detected in PVP. It's the only way I avoid it. Remove the ball - I quit PVP along with most other NBs I imagine.

Don't let the trolls convince you to keep arguing for things that will destroy this game and drive entire classes away. I'm not sure what their motive is.

I shall perhaps post a screenshot to totally debunk the myth. We really don't need destructive trolling like this.

Yeah reddit trolls and their PTS hangout already *** craglorn up, well ESO in general.

NakedSnake · May 2014

Get rid of it.

NordJitsu wrote: »

@NakedSnake‌

If you really can't see how a giant glowing rotating disco ball makes the skill easier to spot for enemy players who are trying to stealth, then I'm really not sure what to say to you.

I was doing some cross-faction fun with an AD guy I know the other day. He's a NB and he wanted to show me how hard his opener could hit from stealth (though all he said to me was "i want to show you something"). I had Inner Light active and he kept getting detected every time he came near me so he couldn't show me his combo.

He said, "I can't figure out why my stealth isn't working." I told him, "You should have told me you were trying to stealth. I've got Inner Light up."

But there was a bug (that happens most on high latency campaigns) where Inner Light wasn't showing up for him (he couldn't see the ball.) This made it incredibly hard for him to know that I had the skill active and if the skill always worked that way, Mage Light would be OP and stealth would be useless.

First, he was obviously a terrible nightblade if he was hanging around you having a conversation no less and did not notice the glowing eyes and flaming hands. On top of that he couldn't "figure out why his stealth was not working" lol. This is your rebuttle?
Secondly, as other knowledgeable posters have already stated, the ball is not visible to anyone but yourself.

Your premise that mage light is not used to turn the tables on stealthers by revealing them as they approach but is in fact designed to act as a deterrent, making you an undesirable target due to the large glowing ball floating around you is utterly ridiculous.

A smart player upon approach while stealthed would notice the glowing eyes and flaming forearms. This is how you detect players with Inner light because the ball is not visible. It is not a bug. The crit bonus on inner light is so good they had to nerf it so that it announces itself to other players with the glow effects.

NakedSnake · May 2014

Get rid of it.

One Two wrote: »

Yeah reddit trolls and their PTS hangout already *** craglorn up, well ESO in general.

Obvious troll is obvious.