DK Solos Craglorn

Gunsang · May 2014

Still a bit early into ESO, and the soloing of any difficult dungeon is nothing new in MMO history. With those two factors alone in mind, this was simply an event bound to happen with skills still unpolished and still in cleaning stage.

I wish I could honestly give a hats-off for these videos, but all I could remember was the same spam of abilities (more-so fault of the 5 slot limit per bar) and some music I dislike greatly.

It's just too early in release to pull this off and make a video out of it, and Zenimax is still tweaking things already, so there really isn't anything to prove in terms of "unbalanced" issues in the game when it's already in the open.

People just gotta have patience.

dastone · May 2014

I like how people say "buff weapon builds"

That implies they need to be tweaked to compete with magic staff class skills

They don't need to be tweaked they need to be doubled. Damage buffs double them. Now you can compare and tweek.

To far apart atm

Maverick827 · May 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

thorspark wrote: »

Well, for playing a DK, a NB, and a Sorc, here's my thoughts on the subject.
In these videos, there is a combination of many things that allow him to stay alive, and beeing a DK is the main part of it.

Yes, Magma Armor is the main reason why he doesn't die. First of all for the 3% cap of life on hit for 15 seconds, and also because of the DK passive Battle Roar that replenish his Magicka, Health and Stamina a lot each times he uses the Ult. Look at his bars on the video when he uses the armor and you'll know what I'm talking about.

Other DK skills can be useful (Inhale, Talons, Flame of Oblivion, Cinder Burst) but only combined with destro/resto staff abilities.

Destro staff's Elemental Drain and Resto staff's Siphon Spirit is a good way to keep life and magicka up while using impulse and/or Flames of Oblivion/ Cinder Burst).

I heard that Elemental Drain is no longer giving back mana on dot ticks, but since a spell like Flames of Oblivion is not a dot, is keeps working. For example, with Elemental Drain up on one mob, you can consider that Flames of Oblivion is free, giving you some dps, and the crit boost.

If you don't want a nerf on destro/resto staff and you don't want all DKs complaining about a nerf of their class, there is a simple way of doing so, letting DK staying OP for most content but preventing them from doing group content alone.

Make the magma armor cost 400 ult instead of 200, preventing DK's from using it every 20 sec.
Nerf the Battle Roar passive so that it does not give back as much mana/health/stamina (I would say somerthing like 40% less)

Two "easy to change" things for developpers that would make a big difference.

I play DK, and I, too, think that the game is far too easy with it compared to my Vet NB.

Now as a NB, I would find it fair, if destro/resto staff are gonna stay the same that all stamina based weapons had a boost, if not in damage, at least in cost reduction.
When I see the damage of whirlwhind compared to those of Impulse, it just makes me cry.

This is the definitive post of this thread. Anyone who disagrees with this is desperately trying to hold on to their OP status or just not really understanding what is going on.

I disagree with the post and I don't even play my DK anymore and when I did I never used Magma Armor.

He's still wrong because he's advocating nerfing something fine that becomes overpowered when used with something that's actually overpowered.

Erock is a known DK hater, so no one should value his endorsement of an already flawed post.

ShedsHisTail · May 2014

Would making Staves run on Stamina just like every other weapon do anything to help solve the issue?

I ask because it seems like the game is designed with this balancing act in mind between Magicka, Health, and Stamina. Now I get the impression that staves in general (Resto included) seem to be involved in all "over powered" builds and scenarios. I suspect this is because with Staves using Magicka just like class skills, it allows a player to ignore the balancing act the game was designed for and front-load most of their points, enchantments, etc. into Magicka.

If Staves were altered to function on Stamina like every other weapon (despite not making a lot of "logical" sense), Staff builds would be forced into the same resource management triad all the non-staff builds are forced into thereby forcing them to distribute their resources more evenly.

Ragnar_Lodbrok · May 2014

How about not nerfing DK anymore and nerf staffs. Those of us not fotm destro dk's are actually hurting in all areas. STOP CRYING DK NERFS.

vicNBitis · May 2014

That would just be another useless tweak that would impact Sorcerers more than DKs. Quite trying to bring down everyone else with your BS class.

alexj4596b14_ESO · May 2014

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

How about not nerfing DK anymore and nerf staffs. Those of us not fotm destro dk's are actually hurting in all areas. STOP CRYING DK NERFS.

Staffs are only half the problem, one DKs tanking ULT is too cheep, even scorc's negate is more expensive then that ULT, second is there ability too generate ULT points within there class. The staffs just augment that more.

demonlkojipub19_ESO · May 2014

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

How about not nerfing DK anymore and nerf staffs. Those of us not fotm destro dk's are actually hurting in all areas. STOP CRYING DK NERFS.

Staffs are only half the problem, one DKs tanking ULT is too cheep, even scorc's negate is more expensive then that ULT, second is there ability too generate ULT points within there class. The staffs just augment that more.

How much ULT does each DK skill generate.

alexj4596b14_ESO · May 2014

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

How about not nerfing DK anymore and nerf staffs. Those of us not fotm destro dk's are actually hurting in all areas. STOP CRYING DK NERFS.

Staffs are only half the problem, one DKs tanking ULT is too cheep, even scorc's negate is more expensive then that ULT, second is there ability too generate ULT points within there class. The staffs just augment that more.

How much ULT does each DK skill generate.

My phone is not pulling up the site but, I believe that for every damage attack they gain atlest 5 ult points + low cost ult's+ AoE Builds which generate even more Ult then melee classes which then resulted in the above video. He is basicly Ult point stacking and because of the ULT he is using he takes vary little damage enabling him too produce the above effect. The only way too fix this would be increase the cost and reduce the effectiveness of the this ULT. Which enables them too have almost 90% damage reduction from the look of his health bar in that video.

dastone · May 2014

Good for him he worked hard and figured out how to solo hard stuff. Games were class does not equal role you will always have builds that will be way better then others so what.

I play melle med armor and have. Yeah I will be gimp compared to a guy like that but so what I play to have fun not to be the god of a video game. Get used to it. It will never Change. I am fine with I don't need to solo raid dungeons or take out 5 in pvp to have fun.

captain_awesome · May 2014

dastone wrote: »

Good for him he worked hard and figured out how to solo hard stuff. Games were class does not equal role you will always have builds that will be way better then others so what.

I play melle med armor and have. Yeah I will be gimp compared to a guy like that but so what I play to have fun not to be the god of a video game. Get used to it. It will never Change. I am fine with I don't need to solo raid dungeons or take out 5 in pvp to have fun.

I'm very glad you are happy!

As to the rest of us - we are not happy with this situation.
I'm guessing neither are all the people leaving the game.

Just saying...

Cogo · May 2014

I am starting to get annoyed now. Because I dont think a single one of you are here lying and saying you have played the game when you have not.

Zenimax already proven that they are balancing, fixing broken skills (Nerf means something else the fix). They proven that with the huge job about the last patch, which BTW was one of the biggest patches in any MMO I've seen. Anything in that sort would be an expansion.....not a patch.

If this was a WoW clone, I would agree with you, but this is a new MMO, which has absolutly nothing to do with an WoW MMO, where addons, pressing buttons and buying your highlvl char is what those players are looking for.

Can we at least agree that the player who emensly enjoy wow. playing for 30 mins, gets everything, little effort and big reward, is NOTHING you have seen in ESO that would attract that player?

To even have such a huge choice to players about choosing thatever skills/build that is availible for them, with all the pros and cons, then your char doesnt NOT depend so much about your skills and your gear, as it does with how you play it.

And that your choices in the game, may it be actions or how you handle an NPC dialog, has impact that sticks with you....may not be brand new, but brilliant done!

Just in the beginning when there are expected to be a few months of at least rocky playing. Zenimax shows how hard they working on it. Listening to us, adding things like a general forum and that double exp thing in Cyro which I do not understand, came from us players.

They even have their own section where DEVS updates the latest valueble information.

They do fix after fix after fix, throw in improvements and features as well.

Maybe this is not done fast enough for some people, but I seriously believe that most here who discuss like you are, cause you base MMO on WoW.

Try to base it on ESO instead, which quite correctly have taken quite alot of good ideas from different MMOs and worked them into ESO.

I am enjoying this game now, and reading about the future plans only make me more sure that THIS is the game for me.

I am not alone in my interest in this game. I am however one of the few who reads forums in order to get as much information as possible.

Guilds are growing and becoming more in ESO. How do you explain that? Bots?

ShedsHisTail · May 2014

captain_awesome wrote: »

dastone wrote: »

Good for him he worked hard and figured out how to solo hard stuff. Games were class does not equal role you will always have builds that will be way better then others so what.

I play melle med armor and have. Yeah I will be gimp compared to a guy like that but so what I play to have fun not to be the god of a video game. Get used to it. It will never Change. I am fine with I don't need to solo raid dungeons or take out 5 in pvp to have fun.

I'm very glad you are happy!

As to the rest of us - we are not happy with this situation.
I'm guessing neither are all the people leaving the game.

Just saying...

May just want to stick with speaking for yourself, man.

I really don't see DKs being capable of clearing high level trash really, really slowly as a high priority issue. As has been noted, is it a little messed up that it's possible when this is supposed to be group content? Sure. Does it affect me when I play? Not even a little bit.

Cogo · May 2014

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

captain_awesome wrote: »

dastone wrote: »

Good for him he worked hard and figured out how to solo hard stuff. Games were class does not equal role you will always have builds that will be way better then others so what.

I play melle med armor and have. Yeah I will be gimp compared to a guy like that but so what I play to have fun not to be the god of a video game. Get used to it. It will never Change. I am fine with I don't need to solo raid dungeons or take out 5 in pvp to have fun.

I'm very glad you are happy!

As to the rest of us - we are not happy with this situation.
I'm guessing neither are all the people leaving the game.

Just saying...

May just want to stick with speaking for yourself, man.

I really don't see DKs being capable of clearing high level trash really, really slowly as a high priority issue. As has been noted, is it a little messed up that it's possible when this is supposed to be group content? Sure. Does it affect me when I play? Not even a little bit.

Hello! Zenimax have already stated they are looking into this. What else do you want. And instant patch the next morning?

captain_awesome · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

captain_awesome wrote: »

dastone wrote: »

Good for him he worked hard and figured out how to solo hard stuff. Games were class does not equal role you will always have builds that will be way better then others so what.

I play melle med armor and have. Yeah I will be gimp compared to a guy like that but so what I play to have fun not to be the god of a video game. Get used to it. It will never Change. I am fine with I don't need to solo raid dungeons or take out 5 in pvp to have fun.

I'm very glad you are happy!

As to the rest of us - we are not happy with this situation.
I'm guessing neither are all the people leaving the game.

Just saying...

May just want to stick with speaking for yourself, man.

I really don't see DKs being capable of clearing high level trash really, really slowly as a high priority issue. As has been noted, is it a little messed up that it's possible when this is supposed to be group content? Sure. Does it affect me when I play? Not even a little bit.

Hello! Zenimax have already stated they are looking into this. What else do you want. And instant patch the next morning?

What else do I want?

1. disable the bugged skills, reset trials timers to 0
2. faster patching, more explanatory patch notes
3. better communication regarding balancing, intent, reasoning etc
4. explanation why balancing is so dire at the moment
5. faster fixes to templar and nightblade classes
6. a winning lottery ticket

ShedsHisTail · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

captain_awesome wrote: »

dastone wrote: »

Good for him he worked hard and figured out how to solo hard stuff. Games were class does not equal role you will always have builds that will be way better then others so what.

I play melle med armor and have. Yeah I will be gimp compared to a guy like that but so what I play to have fun not to be the god of a video game. Get used to it. It will never Change. I am fine with I don't need to solo raid dungeons or take out 5 in pvp to have fun.

I'm very glad you are happy!

As to the rest of us - we are not happy with this situation.
I'm guessing neither are all the people leaving the game.

Just saying...

May just want to stick with speaking for yourself, man.

I really don't see DKs being capable of clearing high level trash really, really slowly as a high priority issue. As has been noted, is it a little messed up that it's possible when this is supposed to be group content? Sure. Does it affect me when I play? Not even a little bit.

Hello! Zenimax have already stated they are looking into this. What else do you want. And instant patch the next morning?

I get the impression you might have misunderstood the spirit of my words.

I'm saying it's not that big a deal. That, on the scale of all the issues currently, DKs being a bit "over powered" is a pretty low priority problem. I'm certainly not trying to rush that fix.

Cogo · May 2014

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

I get the impression you might have misunderstood the spirit of my words.

I'm saying it's not that big a deal. That, on the scale of all the issues currently, DKs being a bit "over powered" is a pretty low priority problem. I'm certainly not trying to rush that fix.

If I misunderstood something fro you, you have my appology.

My post was more aimed to those who gets answers but for some reason I dont understand, keeps complaining instead of "good, a fix is coming".

Balance in ESO is actually quite high on the list. Something very unbalanced must been taken care of as soon as possible, because people are human being who think first of themselves and have no problem keep using bugs like the vampires and shield bash.

However, right now I am sure balance is 2ond on the list to make the game stable, and prepared for other patches, features. And they are not very far from there.

Singular · May 2014

davidhorstub17_ESO wrote: »

nerf elemental drain but leave siphon spirit alone? nerf impulse but buff force shock? and still no alternative to staves since stamina wep builds are garbage. and you guys nerfed templars and nightblades? hey its great my dk is the master class and two thumbs up on the class design, but its lonely at the top after all of my templar and nb friends have quit the game refusing to reroll through the quest grind. who is driving the balance bus at zos?

Those wimps! The rest of us are going through quest grind to get back up top!

Xancathb16_ESO · May 2014

Unfortunately the balance of the game (dks, melee vs staves) is so out of whack that to properly address it would require many and radical changes, and there are so many other problems with the game that require tending to before dealing with what they may call "First world problems".

Fire-fighting if you like, even if they started all the fires -_-

Cogo · May 2014

Heh, I am a DK with 1H and shield. Even though I choose the extra bash skills, the real power of my bash is in interupt, cause it stuns my enemy, and then I can change to my only dps, a bow.

I have no idea who you are or how you play, but there is no way in hell, Ill do enough damage to do you even be remotly close to win.

I am however a solid build tank, only with skills for defense, survival, ae root, self heal, stun and taunt. I am pretty much very annoying towards my enemies in dungeons when I have a group who can dish out the damage.

I am sure Zenimax works on blanacing every day with a different team then those who fix bugs. It will never be perfect, but with some more time....hell even at launch when it looked like Templars was the best at everything (I didnt care. DK suits me), it was pretty decent. But they ARE fixing skills that isnt working as they should, or change skills that needed to be changed.

You just dont do this on a wim with a game based on skills where you have thousand of combos to onsider. And I even think they take into account future skills.

Khivas_Carrick · May 2014

1) Everybody saying that there's always going to be the weak class needs to wake up and remember it is the year of our lord twenty-freaking-fourteen. 2014. *** THAT ***. In a modern day game it is entirely freaking feasible to not only hope for but actually have class balance within an acceptable margin. Nothing in this game is acceptable thus far and ZoS is going to lose their game and massive profits because of this *** ***. Yes I'm mad, I don't normally swear this much on forums, but I want these *** *** to know that they need to fix this *** because it is unacceptable.

2) Templars are the worst off, I should know, I see Nightblades doing better than me with their base class skills and they're supposedly as bad as I am in terms of class. Weapons that aren't staffs suck, and 2H is a joke. Hell the passives in 2H suck massive balls when compared to how helpful the passives in all the other trees are. Who designed this, a poo-flinging monkey? It's a simple fix, it really is, wouldn't even require legit testing (not that you guys did it anyway), but just bump up the numbers. Literally, that's it. Leave the stamina cost as is, but increase the damage done by each move by a lovely amount (20% max, 10% at the least) and increase the passives on 2H. 80 armor on a target? Is that a joke, that's less than a single piece of light armor. What in God's good name were you thinking? Worthless bleeds that barely tick with axes? The only part you got right was Arcane Fighter, which is ass because it should proc on every hit, not just a chance with a cooldown, and the sword spec, with the 5% more damage.

3) I have more but at this rate having ZoS get called out on their Raging Mage-Magicka *** will probably get me banned at this rate.

4) Fix your *** god damn it, it is not that hard. Stop waiting for the next patch, just hotfix it, like you hotbroke our skills.

Jackasses.

Khivas_Carrick · May 2014

NOTE, I remember what I was going to say now that my anger has subsided:

I DO NOT hate DK and Sorcs and believe they should be nerfed. In fact they're fine as is, it's just NB's and Temps that need a buff to literally everything and to not be toyed with in the bad way, and staffs, well staffs need to be nerfed, that part's true. But yea, I'm actually not a fan of nerfing everything, I prefer a 3.5/Pathfinder approach, and just...buff everybody up to the same level, make it fun for everybody.

Draconiuos · May 2014

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

NOTE, I remember what I was going to say now that my anger has subsided:

I DO NOT hate DK and Sorcs and believe they should be nerfed. In fact they're fine as is, it's just NB's and Temps that need a buff to literally everything and to not be toyed with in the bad way, and staffs, well staffs need to be nerfed, that part's true. But yea, I'm actually not a fan of nerfing everything, I prefer a 3.5/Pathfinder approach, and just...buff everybody up to the same level, make it fun for everybody.

This man speaks truth and knows what should happen. Let's all band together to buff NB and templars, before asking for nerfs on any class. I support this idea in complete.

JoyEnergiser · May 2014

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Maverick827 · May 2014

vicNBitis wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

I disagree with the post and I don't even play my DK anymore and when I did I never used Magma Armor.

Classic Mav. "I've never even used that skill but I know it's fine!" Blah blah blah. Useless as ever.

Some of us are able to extrapolate information and understand how mechanics interact with one another. /shrug

Also, reported for flaming.

Anlaemar · May 2014

I play DK in heavy/medium and shield/board mainly. Been thinking about trying duel wield for dps. I hit V1 a few days ago and so far I haven't encountered many problems. Mobs of 3 or more I defiantly have problems (which from what I heard should be normal) and have to try to adapt to the mob or group up with someone.

I did try out the Dest skill line some but I ended up respecing because even before I was really reading on forums about it, I thought it was a bit too OP. I figured if I played tank like I'm used to and how it should be done instead of rolling over to the known OP DK, and then the nerf hammer comes down, I'll be right where I should be.

hamon · May 2014

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

captain_awesome wrote: »

dastone wrote: »

Good for him he worked hard and figured out how to solo hard stuff. Games were class does not equal role you will always have builds that will be way better then others so what.

I play melle med armor and have. Yeah I will be gimp compared to a guy like that but so what I play to have fun not to be the god of a video game. Get used to it. It will never Change. I am fine with I don't need to solo raid dungeons or take out 5 in pvp to have fun.

I'm very glad you are happy!

As to the rest of us - we are not happy with this situation.
I'm guessing neither are all the people leaving the game.

Just saying...

May just want to stick with speaking for yourself, man.

I really don't see DKs being capable of clearing high level trash really, really slowly as a high priority issue. As has been noted, is it a little messed up that it's possible when this is supposed to be group content? Sure. Does it affect me when I play? Not even a little bit.

Hello! Zenimax have already stated they are looking into this. What else do you want. And instant patch the next morning?

I get the impression you might have misunderstood the spirit of my words.

I'm saying it's not that big a deal. That, on the scale of all the issues currently, DKs being a bit "over powered" is a pretty low priority problem if you play as a DK I'm certainly not trying to rush that fix.

fixed that for you

Inco · May 2014

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

How about not nerfing DK anymore and nerf staffs. Those of us not fotm destro dk's are actually hurting in all areas. STOP CRYING DK NERFS.

Because nerfing Staff's would screw a LOT more people than intended. IE: Templar Healers, etc. While I agree a NERF of some sort is needed to balance I also think a more appropriate action would be BEEF up the two classes that are falling behind. IE: Can't DPS the OP of DK with Resto/Dest staff's. (See 11 min thread on Trials).

WolfSkin · May 2014

I'm not putting up with this stupidity anymore, I'm canceling my subscription.

Khivas_Carrick · May 2014

You and a few hundred thousand, I'm sure. Content on this game is great, but issues like this will kill it for you guys before you can get the content out. I swear, it's like no big developer looks to the past to see where other companies done f***ed up to check and see what NOT to do.