bjplague wrote: »

because it is a privately owned company.
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they are owned by mother firms with shareholders breathing down their neck for quick profits
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Square Enix is a traded company which junked a brand new MMO when it bombed worse than any other MMO in history and funded a total re-development and released the replacement as a sub-based game.

Your basis thesis is therefore fatally flawed.

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

Or as Craglorn shows. Bugs get fixed by one team. bugs get developed by another.

Un-be-lievable.

But you have to admit... it's done in parallel!

netsike wrote: »

My personal opinion: Funcom is MUCH better, than Zenimax... they just don't have money, but they love what they are doing and they are actually good in it. I enjoy AoC hundred times better, than ESO... it also started pretty rough I heard and they had a bad period with a bad developer, but the game is still good after 6 years.

Yes, Funcom lack the money to make an modern MMO.
They had to release AoC unfinished because they was out of money.

Now ESO was started because Oblivion sold very well and they had to use all the money on something.
The safe thing had to expand the Bethesda stab to get TES 5 out faster and then TES 6 and so on.
If you was EA you might want two studios and yes another doing DLC but this will burn out the franchise

Instead they did the high risk thing an MMO is, good chances for an MMO don't manages to even earn enough to pay for development.

Delaying the console version was an long term decision too, they could launch the game, perhaps delayed 1 month to get the client ready would be the fast cash now way, an long delay would bring in more money.


Zenimax

bjplague wrote: »

because it is a privately owned company.

think about it. funcom's anarchy online and Age of Conan both went free to pay

Anarchy Online never went f2p. there is a free (froob) version of the game that started in 2004, that gives you access to the original game and notum wars, but that is probably 10% of overall content, and it sucks monkey jewels.

AoC is kinda f2p, but the pve sucks at endgame without subscription, and pvp is pay2win

The Secret World is funcom's only title that I would say went true f2p. yeah, you can sub, or pay for mission packs/issues in the item shop, but you aren't gimped in any way or missing out on much by not spending a penny.

But.. I agree that ESO will likely succeed where most fail.

Eso will succeed if they fix all the lag/server problems, if they leave it too late (month more) i think the damage will be done and to many people would of left for good.

ALSO DEC 2015 is the end of most MMO's out there. if you like the player vs player or true PVE, the creators of DAoC are releasing Camelot Unchained and nothing be able to touch it, these people do things right and they dont mess around.

in all honesty this game has failed on many levels, and continues to do so. I had a lot of hopes for this game in beta with the amazing character creation, but that has quickly died do to the obvious flaws in this game that are never addressed.

#1 it seems like this was made to be a PvP game, like the successor to DAoC, however, they seem to put the PvP on the back burner, for more lack luster content like craiglorn. I mean we really cant fix the caltrops exploit or the buggy forward camps? = major fail.

#2 the PvE content in this game is crap, lets be honest. How many people were actually engauged enough to actually read some quests and or bother listening to the npcs?! I doubt many. So instead of polishing up the PvP side, we add more crap to the steaming pile, way to go...

#3 the pvp lag fest has just ruined the game for me, its totally unplayable the majority of the time, and not just in big battles, the other day I was fighting around maybe 12 players tops, and I couldnt get any of my spells to cast. It was a joke.

#4 poor coding by an indy company ~ oh yea once again, now we learn the company did not have enough foresight to not put all the control into the client, so now there are just rampid botting speed hack, and what not. I guess we can only expect this to get worse as time goes on.

#5 failure to address gold spammers, I mean it would have taken a hand full of active GM's to police the game, but you are all not smart enough to do this right? Or how about limiting accounts that send too much mail? what a joke, I think ESO is a huge sign of the end of the MMO. Joke companies making quick bucks, more then happy to kill off their player bases.

/rant off

Well given the game released sooner than was ready, due to being incomplete and a number of significant bugs, with work still being done on some critical areas. I see no difference Zenimax has done to any other big corporation.

Jeremy wrote: »

I'll have to disagree with you here Lodestar. ^^

This game had one of the best launches I've ever participated in. Miles above other recent launches such as SWTOR or Final Fantasy 14 to name just a couple.

Oddly I put it on par with SWTOR. Very reminiscent. Take a look at the amount of active players compared to last month. I predict bugs that will not be foxed for months, features that required to be in place to be added too late, and all because it was not kept in development long enough... just like SWTOR.

I mean even the guild trading system, so integral to ZOS economy plan is not fully implemented at launch. That should tell you something.

Lodestar wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

I'll have to disagree with you here Lodestar. ^^

This game had one of the best launches I've ever participated in. Miles above other recent launches such as SWTOR or Final Fantasy 14 to name just a couple.

Oddly I put it on par with SWTOR. Very reminiscent. Take a look at the amount of active players compared to last month. I predict bugs that will not be foxed for months, features that required to be in place to be added too late, and all because it was not kept in development long enough... just like SWTOR.

I mean even the guild trading system, so integral to ZOS economy plan is not fully implemented at launch. That should tell you something.

I couldn't even reliably play SWTOR at all for days/weeks after launch. I was put into some queue that would last hours. Then when I did finally get on I had to pray I didn't lose connection or get booted due to some random error so I could start the process all over. It was extremely annoying.

Elder Scrolls on the other hand has been very playable. I've encountered a few bugged quests and did lose a helmet one time due to a glitch. But nothing that has kept me from enjoying the game.

I will agree with you though that the economic systems on this game are woefully designed and poorly implemented and should have never been released as they currently are. So on that score, we are in complete agreement.

people these days cant even be satisfied with being married to someone for long !
so much entitlement and over blown expectations,not everything can be perfect all the time.Find the faults then work to overcome or help it change

Jeremy wrote: »

I couldn't even reliably play SWTOR at all for days/weeks after launch. I was put into some queue that would last hours. Then when I did finally get on I had to pray I didn't lose connection or get booted due to some random error so I could start the process all over. It was extremely annoying.

Elder Scrolls on the other hand has been very playable. I've encountered a few bugged quests and did lose a helmet one time due to a glitch. But nothing that has kept me from enjoying the game.

I will agree with you though that the economic systems on this game are woefully designed and poorly implemented and should have never been released as they currently are. So on that score, we are in complete agreement.

Some people here can not reliably play ESO either. While I am not one of them, I am witnessing enough glitches, to inhibit fun now and again.

This game will succeed because of the title. The hard core Elder Scroll fans will stick it out, maybe even leave for a month then come back and they will run the game. Those who are MMO hoping looking for the next best thing will leave and never turn back. There are elements of an MMO that people have gotten used to that are not seen here, hence a lot of the crying and complaining. I like seeing some new ideas being thrown out there. Im bored of the same ole stuff. Even if having an AH made the game easier, now I have to go out and farm my mats or get guild members to aid me in my crafting or finding good gear. The game needs time and no one wants to give it the time it needs.

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

This game will succeed because of the title. The hard core Elder Scroll fans will stick it out, maybe even leave for a month then come back and they will run the game. Those who are MMO hoping looking for the next best thing will leave and never turn back. There are elements of an MMO that people have gotten used to that are not seen here, hence a lot of the crying and complaining. I like seeing some new ideas being thrown out there. Im bored of the same ole stuff. Even if having an AH made the game easier, now I have to go out and farm my mats or get guild members to aid me in my crafting or finding good gear. The game needs time and no one wants to give it the time it needs.

@frwinters_ESO‌, unfortunately I can mark your post only as insightful xor agreeable xor awesome, but not all three at the same time. Pity. So please, take your pick.

And yes, people that can appropriately be described as "MMO nomads" do exist, who are always on the lookout for their fix in the next game. I know a bunch of them in person. They are not bad people, on the contrary, but they always seem to be driven by a strange desire, unseen by the human eye. Someone's calling...

Insightful is fine! Its my lowest number

There is content in the pipeline that we won't even hear about for years that won't be released for several years. Even before release, Craglorn was in the works, as were the Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood and a Justice system.

It takes YEARS to develop content even after the basic game systems are fully implemented.

Not sure some people understand just how much time, effort, talent, money, blood, sweat and tears ( crying over the human sacrifices to the Server Gawds ) goes into these games. They just see the finished ( well, mostly finished. Even console games get updates now... not like in the Atari days, amiright, old folks?? ) product on the shelf and none of the toil behind it. I didn't even hear about an Elder Scrolls MMO until they'd already spent years and millions of dollars developing it.

no it wont....