GPU Overheating and Memory Leaks in the same Patch.
Korvadiel
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Congrats.
How are we supposed to be patient and indulge such mess while we are actually suscribing for an utterly broken product nigh one month and twenty days after the release ?
I, for one, am supremely disgusted.
Now many people which had a perfectly good experience with the game hardware-wise got crippled and made unabled to play with these new features :
-King Overheat and Queen Memleaks !
I daresay this will be fixed as soon as possible, like tonight or else tomorrow at the latest.
Edited by Korvadiel on May 23, 2014 10:14PM How are we supposed to be patient and indulge such mess while we are actually suscribing for an utterly broken product nigh one month and twenty days after the release ?
I, for one, am supremely disgusted.
Now many people which had a perfectly good experience with the game hardware-wise got crippled and made unabled to play with these new features :
-King Overheat and Queen Memleaks !
I daresay this will be fixed as soon as possible, like tonight or else tomorrow at the latest.
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Congrats.
How are we supposed to be patient and indulge such mess while we are actually suscribing for an utterly broken product nigh one month and twenty days after the release ?
I, for one, am supremely disgusted.
Now many people which had a perfectly good experience with the game hardware-wise got crippled and made unabled to play with these new features :
-King Overheat and Queen Memleaks !
I daresay this will be fixed as soon as possible, like tonight or else tomorrow at the latest.
Grats on losing your MMO virginity with this game OP, because clearly you've never played another Online PC game at launch.
Maybe you can go back to CoD on your console, I hear those game have smooth launches.
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Korvadiel✭✭I posted this to ventilate my frustration, in all honesty.
Not to be harassed by some petty user in return.
This game is handled very poorly to say the least and everyone knows that, from the team developper to the average joe playing it.
A true calamity and an awful management, that's the summary of the game most of the reasonable people among us had made yet.Edited by Korvadiel on May 23, 2014 10:30PM8 -
DrywFiltiarn✭✭✭TBH, I've just been playing the updated version for a couple of hours, and my findings are:
* Better FPS rates
* No more lag in spellcasting
* Less crashes
* Not a single bot (maybe I was just lucky they weren't where I was)
What I didn't find:
* Issues with my GPU (actually it's even cooler then it was before)
* Memory leaks, (not saying it's not there, as it obviously got confirmed) didn't have any issues though, if it even leaked in my system1 -
Korvadiel✭✭DrywFiltiarn wrote: »TBH, I've just been playing the updated version for a couple of hours, and my findings are:
* Better FPS rates
* No more lag in spellcasting
* Less crashes
* Not a single bot (maybe I was just lucky they weren't where I was)
What I didn't find:
* Issues with my GPU (actually it's even cooler then it was before)
* Memory leaks, (not saying it's not there, as it obviously got confirmed) didn't have any issues though, if it even leaked in my system
I'm glad for you and for everyone having no issues concerning the patch, sincerely.
Nonetheless, it's still very untolerable toward a great portion of players and current suscribers to introduce such a gamebreaking and experience-breaking patch, especially when it was particularly designed to adress such issues.Edited by Korvadiel on May 23, 2014 10:49PM1 -
I've just come to this thread from another of 50+ comments which has come up overnight as a result of the memory leak issue, so you and your partner are not alone.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/101157/login-timeout-after-patch-1-1-2#latestAdd a dab of lavender to milk. Leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing at it.1 -
DrywFiltiarn✭✭✭DrywFiltiarn wrote: »TBH, I've just been playing the updated version for a couple of hours, and my findings are:
* Better FPS rates
* No more lag in spellcasting
* Less crashes
* Not a single bot (maybe I was just lucky they weren't where I was)
What I didn't find:
* Issues with my GPU (actually it's even cooler then it was before)
* Memory leaks, (not saying it's not there, as it obviously got confirmed) didn't have any issues though, if it even leaked in my system
I'm glad for you and for everyone having no issues concerning the patch, sincerely.
Nonetheless, it's still very untolerable toward a great portion of players and current suscribers to introduce such a gamebreaking and experience-breaking patch, especially when it was particularly designed to adress such issues.
I can only agree with you it's not a good performance that these issues are introduced with the patch. Especially the memory-leak issue shouldn't have been there knowing that they had memory-leak issues before (although I think it only involved the Mac version), I would expect they learned something from that.
In regards to issues with graphics cards people are having, this is simply an unpreventable issue that it happens to at least some groups of players. Problem is that when you look at current graphics cards in use among people, there may be as many as 100 (if not a couple of hundred) of different graphics cards in active use (ranging from nVidia 8xxx series to the current GTX series and the ATI Radeon HD4xxx series, maybe even older, to their current R9 series, from dozens of card manufacturers).
Then beside all those different videocards, there's at least people playing on Windows Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8, and probably also some on Windows XP still. Which already makes up for 4*hundreds of combinations, then there's dozens of versions of drivers, which make up say 20*4*hundreds of combinations and then you have to combine that will all various options in regards to CPU's and motherboard chipsets in use. All in all, that makes for thousands of possible computer configurations, which is simply an impossible to task to check them all, because it's impossible to have a physical system present in every possible configuration.
The best Zeni can do in the end is test amongst the most used versions of windows, with the most used versions of the drivers and the most sold graphics cards, cpu's and motherboards (and then I'm discarding other computer hardware, that indirectly accidentally or intensionally may effect the configuration).
That way they can assure there's no problems for maybe 95+% of the users, but there'll always be some users that are having issues, because they haven't updated graphics drivers for years (or maybe haven't even installed them, and are running just the stock windows drivers), or because they have some exotic brand of graphics hardware that may behave slightly different under certain conditions (compared to other manufacturers cards with the same GPU chips), etc.
I've seen plenty examples where let's say a R9 290x made by MSI, operates differently from one made by Club3D or Sapphire, while in essence the cards are identical. In the end every manufacturer adds it's own touch to it's cards. MSI is known for selling stock overclocked cards for instance, where as some other manufacturer may use a different type of memory, or add more or less memory.Edited by DrywFiltiarn on May 23, 2014 11:53PM0 -
And more
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/100987/memory-leak-in-new-1-1-2-patch#latestAdd a dab of lavender to milk. Leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing at it.0 -
Nooblet✭✭✭✭Im on upgraded drivers. My GPU is running at 99% usage on any and all graphics settings. Ran ultra before patch just fine. Tried both windowed fullscreen, and fullscreen.
Has overheated 3 times already qqEdited by Nooblet on May 24, 2014 12:08AM0 -
DrywFiltiarn✭✭✭Like said before, graphics cards are designed to be stressed to the max, because every body wants extremely high framerates these days (wondering why, though, because at some point it may go very high, but that doesn't mean it's better). These cards are meant to be on 100% load for long periods of time and have the cooling designed to do it at an acceptable and safe temperature. If a graphics card or a system is overheating due to prolonged high-load something is off with the system. It's either bad overall cooling in the case, or a card close to dying, people not cleaning out dust and dirt, and many more reasons.
Although I must say that there are some manufacturers of cards around that are doing a really, really bad job in the build-quality of their cards and are trying to cheat out the customers by using cheap and bad quality parts in their products, not just in the electronics but also in the alloys used for the cooling fins and the cooling fans.
In the end though, systems crashing due to overheating, says more about the hardware then that it does about the software running on the system. I expect such systems to crash on other (recent) GPU intensive games as well, as those will also stress the GPU to 100% non-stop. A good test would be trying a game like Crysis 3 on high/max settings.
And in regards to upgraded drivers, most recent drivers does not always mean the best drivers unfortunately.3 -
Korvadiel✭✭DrywFiltiarn wrote: »Like said before, graphics cards are designed to be stressed to the max, because every body wants extremely high framerates these days (wondering why, though, because at some point it may go very high, but that doesn't mean it's better). These cards are meant to be on 100% load for long periods of time and have the cooling designed to do it at an acceptable and safe temperature. If a graphics card or a system is overheating due to prolonged high-load something is off with the system. It's either bad overall cooling in the case, or a card close to dying, people not cleaning out dust and dirt, and many more reasons.
Although I must say that there are some manufacturers of cards around that are doing a really, really bad job in the build-quality of their cards and are trying to cheat out the customers by using cheap and bad quality parts in their products, not just in the electronics but also in the alloys used for the cooling fins and the cooling fans.
In the end though, systems crashing due to overheating, says more about the hardware then that it does about the software running on the system. I expect such systems to crash on other (recent) GPU intensive games as well, as those will also stress the GPU to 100% non-stop. A good test would be trying a game like Crysis 3 on high/max settings.
And in regards to upgraded drivers, most recent drivers does not always mean the best drivers unfortunately.
You spoke wisely in that regard.
Unfortunately i'm afraid we are getting strayed away from the chief topic here.
Could i add that i've never experienced any remote hardware issues with TESO before the patch 1.1.2. (be with the GPU Overheat or be with the more infuriating Memory Leaks ) ?
Thank you for you insight though.
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DrywFiltiarn✭✭✭I agree with you it's not the main topic, but I'm just trying to explain the overheat to you. It's due to the nature of the new dedicated full-screen that your GPU get's stressed to 100% (which is should be capable of normally). It's an unfortunate case that you experience it, but the easy fix for now to solve this for you (and others experiencing it) is to swap to windowed full-screen so your GPU can be released of part of it's stress.
If the overheating issue was truly the cause of the game, wouldn't you expect hundreds if not thousands of reports now of videocards being blown up and dead?
The memory leak is indeed a major flaw and shouldn't have happened. I would expect that they have some automated software that will run a character through the world for 24hours or so, which should have uncovered this issue beforehand.Edited by DrywFiltiarn on May 24, 2014 12:37AM1 -
Korvadiel✭✭I've already switched to Fullscreen Windowed earlier tonight.
Unsuccessfully, overheating never stopped.
But it was a good suggestion though.
Postscriptum : more precisely, my graphical card chipset is resetting on a five minute basis in-game while overheating keeps ramping up hardware side. Could you enlighten me onto this ? Some clues to share ?Edited by Korvadiel on May 24, 2014 12:49AM0 -
DrywFiltiarn✭✭✭What graphics card do you have exactly? ATI/AMD or nVidia, manufacturer (i.e. MSI, Asus, Club3D, etc) and what exact chipset. And perhaps the version of your drivers.0
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Nooblet✭✭✭✭Actually i went to a different zone and it was fine. My issues happened in Wayrest Sewers0
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@Nooblet It looks like some zones incl Deshaan were worst hit. I wonder if Stonefalls is on the list.
I'm not sure how to tell why certain accounts were affected and others were not given my friend's almost identiecal laptop was unaffected, yet mine is heamorrhaging memory whenever my ESO client and launcher are open, crashing whenever I try to alt tab out. We have the same GPU with same physical memory. I haven't had any overheating issues or problems with my GPU-memory is a different story.
And no changing to windowed full screen makes very little difference when the memory hemmorhage is already causing lag and inevitable crash. Have submitted two reports in game and one cust serv email via the forum. So far recieved one response to in game bug report with instructions on how to add ports to my router.Edited by Elki_Wilderglas on May 24, 2014 5:16AMAdd a dab of lavender to milk. Leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing at it.0 -
Saerydoth✭✭✭✭GPU overheating is a hardware problem. If your video card can't handle 100% load without overheating, you either have a cooling issue, or you need to clean dust out of your system. On a stress test (this generates more heat than any game), my GPU tops out at 64C. It runs in the 50's in this game on ultra.
You should be able to run Prime95 stress tests (CPU) and video card stress tests without overheating. If you can't do this, there is an issue with your system.Edited by Saerydoth on May 24, 2014 5:06AM3 -
KhajiitiLizard✭✭✭✭✭Pre patch I was playing with everything on high with little issue at all, now I get frame rate lag.0 -
@ThatArgonianGuy I'm seeing that alot on threads. Same with people adjusting their settings to low and it making no difference.
@AlienDiplomat go whine about whining on the whine about whining thread.
People being unable to play a game they have already paid for due to an update causing more memory leaks is legitimate cause to vent.Add a dab of lavender to milk. Leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing at it.0 -
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The memory leak is obviously ZOS fault, the overheating card is down to you having a deffective card with insufficient cooling.Congrats.
How are we supposed to be patient and indulge such mess while we are actually suscribing for an utterly broken product nigh one month and twenty days after the release ?
I, for one, am supremely disgusted.
Now many people which had a perfectly good experience with the game hardware-wise got crippled and made unabled to play with these new features :
-King Overheat and Queen Memleaks !
I daresay this will be fixed as soon as possible, like tonight or else tomorrow at the latest.0 -
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The memory leak is obviously ZOS fault, the overheating card is down to you having a deffective card with insufficient cooling.Congrats.
How are we supposed to be patient and indulge such mess while we are actually suscribing for an utterly broken product nigh one month and twenty days after the release ?
I, for one, am supremely disgusted.
Now many people which had a perfectly good experience with the game hardware-wise got crippled and made unabled to play with these new features :
-King Overheat and Queen Memleaks !
I daresay this will be fixed as soon as possible, like tonight or else tomorrow at the latest.
The memory leak isn't happening to everyone either. It's not happening to me. I had a 5 hour play session earlier, at the end memory usage was at 1.2gb, which is about right for ultra settings.
However, from what I've heard, the memory leak is affecting people who sit on the character select screen for a period of time before logging into the game. If you pick your character right away, the leak shouldn't affect you.0 -
The memory leak is obviously ZOS fault, the overheating card is down to you having a deffective card with insufficient cooling.Congrats.
How are we supposed to be patient and indulge such mess while we are actually suscribing for an utterly broken product nigh one month and twenty days after the release ?
I, for one, am supremely disgusted.
Now many people which had a perfectly good experience with the game hardware-wise got crippled and made unabled to play with these new features :
-King Overheat and Queen Memleaks !
I daresay this will be fixed as soon as possible, like tonight or else tomorrow at the latest.
The memory leak isn't happening to everyone either. It's not happening to me. I had a 5 hour play session earlier, at the end memory usage was at 1.2gb, which is about right for ultra settings.
However, from what I've heard, the memory leak is affecting people who sit on the character select screen for a period of time before logging into the game. If you pick your character right away, the leak shouldn't affect you.
I don't linger in character select. If I am able to choose my toon and play, I do so right away. IF I'm not timed out by new extended load screens.Add a dab of lavender to milk. Leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing at it.0 -
Saerydoth✭✭✭✭Elki_Wilderglas wrote: »
The memory leak is obviously ZOS fault, the overheating card is down to you having a deffective card with insufficient cooling.Congrats.
How are we supposed to be patient and indulge such mess while we are actually suscribing for an utterly broken product nigh one month and twenty days after the release ?
I, for one, am supremely disgusted.
Now many people which had a perfectly good experience with the game hardware-wise got crippled and made unabled to play with these new features :
-King Overheat and Queen Memleaks !
I daresay this will be fixed as soon as possible, like tonight or else tomorrow at the latest.
The memory leak isn't happening to everyone either. It's not happening to me. I had a 5 hour play session earlier, at the end memory usage was at 1.2gb, which is about right for ultra settings.
However, from what I've heard, the memory leak is affecting people who sit on the character select screen for a period of time before logging into the game. If you pick your character right away, the leak shouldn't affect you.
I don't linger in character select. If I am able to choose my toon and play, I do so right away. IF I'm not timed out by new extended load screens.
I haven't noticed any long load screens either. To me, the game seems just like it was pre-patch, except for an FPS boost from the exclusive fullscreen mode.
What addons are you using? I have seen long load screens caused by addons.0 -
Elki_Wilderglas wrote: »
The memory leak is obviously ZOS fault, the overheating card is down to you having a deffective card with insufficient cooling.Congrats.
How are we supposed to be patient and indulge such mess while we are actually suscribing for an utterly broken product nigh one month and twenty days after the release ?
I, for one, am supremely disgusted.
Now many people which had a perfectly good experience with the game hardware-wise got crippled and made unabled to play with these new features :
-King Overheat and Queen Memleaks !
I daresay this will be fixed as soon as possible, like tonight or else tomorrow at the latest.
The memory leak isn't happening to everyone either. It's not happening to me. I had a 5 hour play session earlier, at the end memory usage was at 1.2gb, which is about right for ultra settings.
However, from what I've heard, the memory leak is affecting people who sit on the character select screen for a period of time before logging into the game. If you pick your character right away, the leak shouldn't affect you.
I don't linger in character select. If I am able to choose my toon and play, I do so right away. IF I'm not timed out by new extended load screens.
I haven't noticed any long load screens either. To me, the game seems just like it was pre-patch, except for an FPS boost from the exclusive fullscreen mode.
What addons are you using? I have seen long load screens caused by addons.
Another hypothesis down the drain...no add ons.Add a dab of lavender to milk. Leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing at it.0 -
KhajiitiLizard✭✭✭✭✭Elki_Wilderglas wrote: »@ThatArgonianGuy I'm seeing that alot on threads. Same with people adjusting their settings to low and it making no difference.
I've edited my video settings an got my gpu overclock to work right and now the game runs smooth.I needed to overclock to play Crysis 3, but that game is much more graphically intense than ESO, I should not have to overclock to have this game run smooth (I do have a 5 year old gpu, though).0 -
ThatArgonianGuy wrote: »Elki_Wilderglas wrote: »@ThatArgonianGuy I'm seeing that alot on threads. Same with people adjusting their settings to low and it making no difference.
I've edited my video settings an got my gpu overclock to work right and now the game runs smooth.I needed to overclock to play Crysis 3, but that game is much more graphically intense than ESO, I should not have to overclock to have this game run smooth (I do have a 5 year old gpu, though).
I envy you your vanilla problems, as I go through ESO withdrawals.Add a dab of lavender to milk. Leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing at it.0 -
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This about sums it uphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov3B26h12C4
Yeah this guy should a) learn to speak instead of shouting, b) go back to playing WOW.
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Nooblet✭✭✭✭GPU overheating is a hardware problem. If your video card can't handle 100% load without overheating, you either have a cooling issue, or you need to clean dust out of your system. On a stress test (this generates more heat than any game), my GPU tops out at 64C. It runs in the 50's in this game on ultra.
You should be able to run Prime95 stress tests (CPU) and video card stress tests without overheating. If you can't do this, there is an issue with your system.
How does it generate more heat than any game, if my GPU doesn't dip below 99% in certain areas of the game, including instanced 4 man dungeons when no graphics are going on just idling even when dropping it to the lowest settings possible when i previously ran Ultra fine..
My GPU temp stayed pretty much at 85 while these, never spiked higher before crashing (97 being max according to manufacturer). And I know ive spiked up to 88 while playing other games(that required me to overclock due in order to stabalize an issue with dx11)
I put it back to normal, so not overclocking since quitting that game.
Then in other areas it works fine, and GPU changes like normal, and GPU temps stay around 70, including Cyrodiil when my fps dips drastically.
While it may not be the best cooling possible... there certainly is an issue with the game imo.Edited by Nooblet on May 24, 2014 5:24PM0 -
I went on the game this morning and monitored the memory leak via task manager and sure enough over nearly an hour the memory hogging ESO client gradually ate into my memory cache and at the end of the hour was sitting at nearly 2mB (I only have 8 mB RAM) so I logged out and haven't played since.
The gameplay however seemed smoother than the previous night but having said that there was hardly anyone around.0
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