Shillen wrote: »

monkeymystic wrote: »

If you thought DK's were the only ones doing Solo PvE, watch this:

I have NOT made this video, and I don't take credit for it. The Youtube user "medakonable" has made it.


It shows a NIGHTBLADE SOLO Veteran Spindleclutch dungeon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNESCiD5Wt0

Leeching strikes is probably the most OP ability in the game. But you don't see cries for nerfs because it doesn't kill people in PvP.

Funny thing is that we will prolly see Nightblades solo bosses doing this in Craiglorn too...

Santanaclawz wrote: »

I'm a main DK and the only thing im questioning is why they changed inhale, to make it near useless to have on my bar now.

And the change was made without adjusting the cost to cast, or anything, which is why i said this reeks of "mythic dev".

Shillen wrote: »

Leeching strikes is probably the most OP ability in the game. But you don't see cries for nerfs because it doesn't kill people in PvP.

People kill people. Don't start that $hit here.

I am a DK and these changes may technically be referred to as nerfs, but lets all be honest with ourselves here, most of these were totally necessary and needed for the balance and health of the game. Yeah, it sucks they made it into the live game so unbalanced, but they needed to be fixed, and they have been...some more than others, but it's a start.

For the sake of full disclosure, although I am a DK, my build isn't anything like what the OP seemed to be using and is now complaining about being nerfed. I am a dual-wielding EH/AF DK wearing full medium, so some of these nerfs do affect me, but won't hurt me as much as some of the other...builds.

seanolan wrote: »

monkeymystic wrote: »

Shield bash damage nerfed, 3 second cooldown on bash, and bash costing more is a huge nerf to your build.

They had good synergy with Destro staff!
These are the abilities that DK's were strong with.
Without these abilities, they have no use and can't do it even remotely close any more.

The fire mage builds/AoE DK builds DEPENDED on Destro staff Impulse, elemental drain magicka regen etc to work, otherwise they run out of magicka in a few seconds and sit there stupid getting kited with zero magicka regen, while sorcerors Escape Bolt around (which now also stuns AND absorbs spells).

Stop with the bold, you drama queen. It makes you look like a diva.

You have to admit, though, it's easier to read. Well, not the grammar, but the words!

Bold for the win!

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

monkeymystic wrote: »

DKs got magicka regen from elemental drain + DoTs + Cinder ticks + Inferno ticks. This no longer works, and Impulse cost is increased.
Magicka will be a huge problem for DKs after this nerf

Well as a NB i fail to see the problem. NBs run out of magicka in 2-4 seconds in a fight, why should other classes have the possibility of endless magicka?

Nightblades have the same amount of magicka and the same magicka regen as all the other classes. The abilities don't cost any extra either. Nightblades do have the best way to recover magicka in the game though via leeching strikes. So I don't know what planet you're living on.

monkeymystic wrote: »

A Bad Post.

Play the game with the changes on the public servers. Analyze what the changes have done, and report back to us.

Don't spout speculation... show us real facts and what you are seeing.

Singular wrote: »

monkeymystic wrote: »

SuperJChat wrote: »

You say DK nerf but i only see 2 things directly DK related...

The reason for DK's being "strong" for many, is not because of the class abilities itself, but synergy with Impulse spam, getting infinite magicka back from Elemental drain + DoT's + cinder + inferno giving them more magicka back than they can spend. And AoE abilities giving tons of ultimate, which is also nerfed now.

DK's are stuck in melee range with 5 meter range abilities, while Templars and Sorceror have range benefits. This is a devastating nerf to the DK class

Wait, what? You just said that prior to the patch DKs could have unlimited magica - clearly an exploit - and now you're saying the removal of this exploit is ruining the class???

No class is designed to have unlimited magica, stamina or health. So tough for you.

What really bothers me is the cooldown. I've never played a shield user, but ... this game is supposed to have no cooldowns. So, what's up???

Because they are nerfing class abilities like Inhale to becoming absolutely useless as well. Inhale is expensive to cast, and is capped at 3 absorb targets with the nerf. They didn't even adjust the cost, they just made it pointless and expensive to use.


They nerfed class abilities into useless because Destro + Resto was OP with elemental drain... That is shortsighted.

My anger management coach, "Hi Mom!" says that I should stop calling people idiots...

Where did you find the 3 second cooldown on bash? I guess my DK will be even more useless than it already is. There is too much min/maxing in this game with only 1 real build working well. I had finally found an effective way to play after doing dual wield and switching to shield, but now...IDK what to do to do any kind of damage whatsoever.

monkeymystic wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

If i am right, the biggest complain in the origonal topic is that a DK build will no longer be able to INFINITELY cast spells?

hate to be glib, but considering the base complaint, its like your complaining that your Water is not wet enough...

No, the main problem is that they nerfed a bunch of other stuff because Destro + Resto + Elemental drain and unlimited magicka was OP.

Inhale nerf makes no sense for example. It was never overpowered (except for all AoE's hitting more than 6 targets), and it is very expensive. Capping the AoE absorb to 3 targets, without even making it cost less, just makes the whole ability pointless.
And Inhale has nothing to do with any class being OP with Destro/Resto combo.

^ this. Im a 2hand full heavy DK and in PvE I would use, Razor Armor, Brawler , Executioner , Inhale (with magika back morph) and green dragon blood. It wouldn't make me Invincible in PvE but I could survive alot.

Inhale was already pointless in PVP because very rarely did your enemies actually group up close enough to get hit with it.
From my personal experience it would always be maybe 1 or 2 melee and the rest mages far out of the range to get hit with it so it'd be pointless to use instead of green dragon blood.

I just fail to understand the logic behind that. The rest of the DK changes dont affect me because I didn't run those builds.

1hand and shield is STILL the strongest weapon line IMO

All I have to say is,

LOL

coming from the perspective of a Templar (who doesn't spam Puncturing strikes btw...I rarely have it on my bar), all i have to say is...
welcome to our world. I hope that you can enjoy the wonderful VR leveling process like I am. this isn't a nerf, this is balancing.

if Sorcs are too good after this, I'm sure they will get balanced as well. Which means, OP, that you will get to post ANOTHER thread! because im pretty sure you will follow whatever class is listed as top dog, even if it is broke.

Oh and FYI...sorcs use many of the skills you listed in your "DK" list, so they are impacted by this as well. every see a sorc use impulse? Duh....

so im sure this isn't the end of your ranting. you'll just head over to the sorc side...until they nerf that. then you'll hop over to the NB's....Oh wait. right. other then a few powerful skills, NB is actually tough to play. so you probably won't do that.

Im chuckling as I saw this coming miles away. the other sane players who noticed how OP the DK was saw it too. The one surprised? the FotM players. don't be surprised if they continue the balancing act....cause you know...that's what an MMO is all about. so just like every other MMO...if you pick your class because it has a few oddball builds that trump everything else in the game, be prepared for disappointment.

And to all those who played different builds on their DK's, hats off to you. I doubt this change will impact you much at all. Hope you continue to enjoy your DK for the rest of the time this games online.

Thinking back...I actually would have been find with DK's being OP if Bethesda hadn't put in competitive play environments. And not just PvP, but we have group trials now. so the classes will be forced into a homogeneous mass because of this. mis-balance does not indicate need for balance, competitive environments do.

Inhale is expensive to cast, and is capped at 3 absorb targets with the nerf.

The absorb deals 70 damage to players! 70! To a player with over 3000 health..

They didn't even adjust the Inhale cost with the major nerf, they just made it pointless and expensive to use when it was fine before (except for the bug that hit more than 6 targets)

It seems they confused Batswarm with Inhale, and nerfed Inhale as well so it became useless and a waste of an ability slot.

monkeymystic wrote: »

Inhale is expensive to cast, and is capped at 3 absorb targets with the nerf.

The absorb deals 70 damage to players! 70! To a player with over 3000 health..

They didn't even adjust the Inhale cost with the major nerf, they just made it pointless and expensive to use when it was fine before (except for the bug that hit more than 6 targets)

It seems they confused Batswarm with Inhale, and nerfed Inhale as well so it became useless and a waste of an ability slot.

Seriously, the bold doesn't make your opinion seem more important. Just desperate.