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Are you fed up of the constant nerfs & nerf threads for PvP balance?
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭playsforfun wrote: »Nearly every post these days on this forum is a nerf this & nerf that for the sake of PvP, I for one am getting sick of seeing it & having nerfs in PvE & PvP for the sake of PvP balance to the point I am questioning if I should continue playing the game I have played since beta if the nerf hammer is going to keep effecting builds I do, mats ain't cheap & it's time consuming.
PvE players ARE NOT victims of the PvP players. They just aren't.
Sets and skills are nerfed because they are over performing in PvP. It's just that the PvP players typically know how to make builds better than most PvE players and can get more out of them, so the OP nature of something is more obvious in a PvP environment.
See my bolded addition to the quote.
That's no reason to nerf those sets and skills in PvE.
The problem here isn't the different performance of sets and skills in PvP and PvE, it's the refusal by ZOS to tweak them seperately in PvP and PvE the way that other games do.4 -
Vaqual✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoIf a nerf isn't justified, you should be able to make a convincing argument.
If the arguments against nerfs are better than the arguments for nerfs, there should be no issue.
Just buffing everything because it feels cozy is plain stupid. It is an immature attitude not fit for problem solving.1 -
LuC1ll3atTh3Wh33L✭✭✭✭Nonope. tbh when i want a real laugh i read them. people can get worked up sometimes; fun reads tyvm.Edited by LuC1ll3atTh3Wh33L on August 31, 2026 8:27PMYou've had nature explained to you and you're bored with it, you've had the living body explained to you and you're bored with it, you've had the universe explained to you and you're bored with it, so now you want cheap thrills and, like, plenty of them....
-Johnny0 -
YesFour_Fingers wrote: »Yes, because the nerf cries come from the same 5 or 6 people, ad nauseum.
Funny, the ball group defenders come from the same 4-5 people, you being the main one.
atleast you identified yourself immediately when you were mentioned LMAO. And it's funny how you try to belittle everyone who disagrees with your asinine complaints about any group bigger than 1 person by calling them "ballgroup defenders", glad to see you still dont have any actual arguments other than complaining for the sake of it.0 -
peacenote✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoOP, you've got kind of a combo question going on here, with only a single answer to select.
I picked no because constant cries to nerf and buff things have been part of the game since the beginning. I don't particularly feel that the frequency of those threads have picked up recently (rather I feel like it is a constant), so I'm way past "fed up" and more into just chuckling because "the more things change, the more they stay the same."
As for the actual constant nerfs... I'm not even sure I agree with the descriptor of constant. It's more of a pendulum, and also some things are nerfed quickly while some things are left for a long time.
Things that I tend to be less enthused about, related to your topic/theme:- I was frustrated during the "year of performance" which, I think, in reality stretched out for more than a year, where PvE healing was drastically impacted by performance tests in Cyrodiil. That bothered me. It was admitted that the changes were in the name of performance, and didn't make a difference, but nothing was reversed. At the time, the changes felt they made healing less dynamic, with less levers to pull, in PvE. Therefore, that time period was when I was the most upset about PvE changes due to PvP. Earthgore nerf. BoL no longer 360. Orb slowed down. Only one healing springs allowed at a time. Probably more.
- I do sometimes feel like ZOS listens to feedback that's coming from a loud minority, while not always realizing there's many people quietly happy with the way things are who will be negatively impacted by changes requested by the "loud" feedback. It's one thing if you can inclusively fix an issue without impacting other playstyles but that is not always feasible or considered. I wouldn't say I'm "fed up" but I do get frustrated when I feel that has occurred.
1 - I was frustrated during the "year of performance" which, I think, in reality stretched out for more than a year, where PvE healing was drastically impacted by performance tests in Cyrodiil. That bothered me. It was admitted that the changes were in the name of performance, and didn't make a difference, but nothing was reversed. At the time, the changes felt they made healing less dynamic, with less levers to pull, in PvE. Therefore, that time period was when I was the most upset about PvE changes due to PvP. Earthgore nerf. BoL no longer 360. Orb slowed down. Only one healing springs allowed at a time. Probably more.
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frogthroat✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoNo. I don't blame the symptom for the disease.
What ZOS could do and what they should have been doing all along is utilise Battle Spirit more. It's used in only a very few sets. Balancing would have more variables, sure, but easier to balance PVE and PVP separately if Battle Spirit would be used more.1 -
Goregram1✭✭✭NoDo you blame the guy who left the injured dog by the road or the people running it over? (Dog=PVP) (People=Players)0 -
Dax_Draconis✭✭✭✭YesEvery PvP nerf thread I see makes me wish that Vengeance was the only campaign that was available to play.0