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SUPRISE ! People dont like VENGEANCE
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AlistairRZ✭✭Same people trying to defend vengeance for weeks. Please don't bother with them. Its obvious already.4 -
aetherix8✭✭✭✭✭SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »Unfortunately ESO has zero reputation regarding PvP, bad/fair/good no one on the outside looking in would even know this game has PvP. They’d have to go back to beta or launch videos where it was actually marketed. ZOS abandoned the PvP community long ago. Feels akin to an estranged parent trying to find their kid they gave up for adoption.
There was a streamer called Arrowli who came from GW2 to try eso pvp. He likes playing ranger/bow builds. He joined during U49 where ranged builds were ineffective against overpowered DKs with 40k resist protective jewelry rife in stormhaven. Gave ESO PvP a shot for 2 months, concluded PvP is horribly imbalanced, and moved on to other games like BDO where at least ranged builds are viable. So actually, ESO's PvP reputation is negative and below zero.
My only recommendation is Vengeance these days. I tell other players to go there if they actually want fair systems and fights.
So?
Some guy who isn't familiar with ESO spent a brief time in game and drew uninformed conclusions from lack of experience.
Your crusade against PvP is revealing.
Why accuse me of being against pvp? I'm in Vengeance pvping every day lol. Tried out IC and BGs on an old necro build, found some unkillable werewolves that can run faster than you, sorcs that can streak 3 times in a row, got bored and logged out.
This is ESO's pvp reputation since 2015:If you like PVP that is player skill based then I would say GW2. If you like PVP that is gear based, then ESO.
ESO has a greater gear/level gap in all respects -takes longer to level, gear scaling is more extreme, scaling and acquisition of abilities and other class building aspects is more extreme. If you don't mind going through all that to be competitive then this point is not relevant, but for me its a bit of a pain to be far behind the curve unless I really grind.
ESO has never been known to have fair or balanced pvp. The most notable point in that thread is that Cyrodiil is fun and the barrier to entry is high. Although the terrible balance is we see is a 2025-2026 problem.
https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/429463/gw2-vs-eso
Every post from you lately seems to be a pro vengeance diatribe. That's being anti PvP. Vengeance will only hasten the closure of real PvP in ESO.
Oftentimes reading this thread can be quite entertaining. It will forever remain a mystery to me how you figured that players who prefer to fight other players in the Vengeance ruleset are against PvP. All the contrary, we would like to see it improved, and we want to see ESO PvP flourish with increased population caps. Obviously we’re not there yet but hopefully ZOS will keep working on it.PC EU - V4hn13 -
LPapirius✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lmao what real PvP does ESO have? Stormhaven dueling where it's segregated into DK vs DK, WW v WW, sorc v sorc, cro v cro, NB v plar because there are clear mathematical loser classes? No functioning MMR/ELO system? Constantly lowered population caps in Gray Host? I'm not against PvP. I love the Veterancy system and it has provided incentives to grind. Vengeance is balanced and there's more interesting builds and tradeoffs than in Grey Host, IC, or BGs. You can still run healers, brusiers and brawlers, AoE or single target damage dealers, ranged burst or a turn and burn vanguard. There are still sorcs and arcanists that streak into hills and escape, but it's less silly than in live Cyrodiil. Oh and you still have people complaining that 6 defenders are holding up a 10 man group, or 2 players wiping off 5 defenders on the front porch of bleakers, but even that is more enjoyable than getting 1 shot by packs of corrosive dks and werewolves.
Everything you just posted made it abundantly clear you despise PvP except vengeance, which is only PvP in the same sense that ToT is PvP.2 -
afkpro✭✭✭i like vengeance. i can play some cyro on low level alts without fussing with builds. vengeance has like the same population as both ravenwatch and icereach. i don't understand the toxicity here.2
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Eldovar✭✭✭✭✭
✭i like vengeance. i can play some cyro on low level alts without fussing with builds. vengeance has like the same population as both ravenwatch and icereach. i don't understand the toxicity here.
Usually one or more of these reasons:
- People are angry that they can't easy farm newer players because they are now in their own bubble of the server because time invested must correlate with easy kills. So now they face equal opponents and that's no fun.
- People are very afraid Vengeance becomes the most popular mode and ZOS decides to close down grey host.
- People are angry that ZOS has decided to not work on GH anymore because it's a lost cause in their books and Vengeance is seen as the reason7 -
LPapirius✭✭✭✭✭
✭i like vengeance. i can play some cyro on low level alts without fussing with builds. vengeance has like the same population as both ravenwatch and icereach. i don't understand the toxicity here.
The toxicity comes from vengeance being sold as a means to improve performance in Grey Host. We know now this was never the intent and we were coerced into helping ZOS develop a game mode that will, most likely, at some point replace the game mode we log into ESO to play.
Not sure it's going to make a whit of difference now though. Everything is on the chopping block now apparently.
Edited by LPapirius on July 8, 2026 9:54PM4 -
fizzybeef✭✭✭✭✭i like vengeance. i can play some cyro on low level alts without fussing with builds. vengeance has like the same population as both ravenwatch and icereach. i don't understand the toxicity here.
The toxicity comes from vengeance being sold as a means to improve performance in Grey Host. We know now this was never the intent and we were coerced into helping ZOS develop a game mode that will, most likely, at some point replace the game mode we log into ESO to play.
Not sure it's going to make a whit of difference now though. Everything is on the chopping block now apparently.
Understandable when the playerbase has been made unhappy and people stop playing and paying0 -
amiiegee✭✭✭✭✭Still never seen a single bar of vengeance on ps na or eu. Thought it would just take time go get started ?🤔0 -
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✭✭Alls I know is that when I'm in on PC EU and NA its full and active. On EU we've even passed 2 pard on occasion, so if no one on PS is in, thats a PS issuePCNA
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LadyLavina✭✭✭✭✭
✭i like vengeance. i can play some cyro on low level alts without fussing with builds. vengeance has like the same population as both ravenwatch and icereach. i don't understand the toxicity here.
It's because it's being forced. The "tests" were only successful and they were only able to call it "popular" because the other servers were disabled making Vengeance the only option.
Did you see how quickly they added Blackreach back after removing it @ update 50? They claimed they'd add it back if "population became an issue and within I believe a week, there was Blackreach again. It shows how out of touch the team behind the decision making is .
If they would just market it as a lower-level Cyrodiil experience made for the crowd that doesn't want to fuss with builds, that'd be one thing. Instead of doing that, they're ostracizing the people who have spent years honing skills and/or using whatever builds they choose. The Cyrodiil performance issues have been given band aid fixes for 12 years.
Vengeance isn't even a band aid, it's "let's cut the arm off and convince them a prosthetic is better."PC - NA @LadyLavina 1800+ CP PvP Tank and PvP Healer2 -
Marto✭✭✭✭✭
✭LadyLavina wrote: »i like vengeance. i can play some cyro on low level alts without fussing with builds. vengeance has like the same population as both ravenwatch and icereach. i don't understand the toxicity here.
It's because it's being forced. The "tests" were only successful and they were only able to call it "popular" because the other servers were disabled making Vengeance the only option.
Except they accounted for this source of bias. That's why many of the Vengeance tests did not close down Grey Host, in order to see how many players visit Vengeance when both options are available. They mention this in a couple of their long posts and livestreams going over their results. And the results were that Vengeance is still popular enough to justify further development.
Vengeance is a scientific test, and they've been approaching it scientifically. One step at a time, isolating variables, and controlling the environment.
When performance was being tested they closed Grey Host in other to raise Vengeance player numbers and find the worst-case scenario. It would be kinda pointless to test performance on a non-full server.
When balance, damage, or new features were being tested they didn't close down Grey Host, because they were more concerned with things like the game feeling too fast, too slow, too samey, too unpredictable, etc. under normal population conditions.
This upcoming one is a performance test. So yes, they need to close Grey Host to see if Vengeance can function while 900 people are firing off item sets.Edited by Marto on July 19, 2026 2:26AM"According to the calculations of the sages of the Cult of the Ancestor Moth, the batam guar is the cutest creature in all Tamriel"1 -
LadyLavina✭✭✭✭✭
✭Except they accounted for this source of bias. .
Enlighten me on how they accounted for this source of bias when it was disabled for the majority of the tests.
One test with GH enabled half the time does not equate to accounting for the bias.
ZOS themselves have the receipts for this, my man.
Vengeance-Only March 2025
Vengeance-Only June 2025
Vengeance-Only September 2025
Vengeance-Only for half the test November 2025
PC - NA @LadyLavina 1800+ CP PvP Tank and PvP Healer1 -
ToddIngram✭✭✭✭✭Well, now you can play vengeance or you can play vengeance.
Thanks ZOS, but there is a third option, and I'm taking it.0
