Gabriel_H wrote: »

Yes, but not yet.

This is still in its testing phase. I'd like to see some fundamental changes before we get to that point. Once there have been more additions and ZOS have more data, I think they should actually reduce the cap from 900 to 360 brining it inline with other campaigns, and have 2 Vengeance. One alliance locked, one open to all.

If player numbers then grow, ZOS can simply increase the cap. IF the numbers grow. I'm not convinced they will at present.

Two Veng campaigns, one faction-locked and one without the lock, is indeed an interesting proposition. But I'm not sure that bringing population caps to 360 is a good idea, as we would be again in the "map too big and too empty" situation.

Nope, everyone is constant on repeat how Vengeance is for casuals etc. So keep it casual and keep alliance lock away.

Doesn't matter much anyway cause from reading here and other platforms it seems most people have more than 1 ESO account anyway so it's pointless. Especially since you don't need to grind anything for Vengeance and you can buy a new base game account in a sale for a few euros and start playing Vengeance. People will just relog.

I rarely see polls so even as this one; 50/50 at 6.10pm.
I was never bothered by the lack of a faction lock while playing RW, although sometimes I wished there was some kind of a safeguard in place preventing players from changing their alliances multiple times per day.
Perhaps if this poll were proposing a shorter duration restriction (24 hours), the result would be different.
But it is interesting to see that faction lock is not as universally preferred as it is sometimes claimed.

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

aetherix8 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Yes, but not yet.

This is still in its testing phase. I'd like to see some fundamental changes before we get to that point. Once there have been more additions and ZOS have more data, I think they should actually reduce the cap from 900 to 360 brining it inline with other campaigns, and have 2 Vengeance. One alliance locked, one open to all.

If player numbers then grow, ZOS can simply increase the cap. IF the numbers grow. I'm not convinced they will at present.

Two Veng campaigns, one faction-locked and one without the lock, is indeed an interesting proposition. But I'm not sure that bringing population caps to 360 is a good idea, as we would be again in the "map too big and too empty" situation.

i dont think there would be enough pvp population for 2 vengeances lol

the population caps in veng are already 360/faction which is 3x that of normal cyro camps

as for the OP topic, i dont really care much about the faction locks as i only have AD toons lol

but something that could work is maybe making vengeance a 7 day camp that is faction locked, so it rotates faster

to be honest i think 30 days for the campaign duration is too long, its not even worth it for the transmutes anymore

I’m an incurable optimist - I believe Veng can make it to be pop locked, but it would have to be vastly improved first.

The current caps are 300 per faction.

And I hope it remains a 30day campaign, it is simply more engaging and competitive when it’s a month-long contest.

They need to balance the teams, I'm not sure the best route. Otherwise it will just be PVD like most campaigns at off hours.

Gabriel_H wrote: »

aetherix8 wrote: »

Two Veng campaigns, one faction-locked and one without the lock, is indeed an interesting proposition. But I'm not sure that bringing population caps to 360 is a good idea, as we would be again in the "map too big and too empty" situation.

People are simple creatures. They follow the crowd. Bringing the caps down to 360 initially, will let people see how popular/unpopular is is compared to normal Cyro.

Well, some people are simple, to be sure. I will fall out of my chair laughing if ZOS drops the pop caps in vengeance to the same as GH.

Erickson9610 wrote: »

There should always be at least one Cyrodiil campaign without faction lock.

I agree, but now Blackreach is also back and without faction lock, so there is already one such campaign.

Eldovar wrote: »

As someone who played Vengeance a lot since it launched, have people seen the scores?

They are super balanced and very competitive. First yellow was a chunk behind but the past week the scores are consistently hopping over eachother and there is no clear winner. (PC EU)

I wonder from all the people who voted actually play Vengeance or voted out of spite. Clearly people are enjoying themselves if it balances out without interference with extra rules.

Yes, and I'm very happy about this score. RW used to be two factions really, with a very weak AD, so it really cheers me up to see that Vengeance is more balanced and competitive in that respect.

I'm just curious about others' opinions on faction lock, hence this poll.

Eldovar wrote: »

Nope, everyone is constant on repeat how Vengeance is for casuals etc. So keep it casual and keep alliance lock away.

Doesn't matter much anyway cause from reading here and other platforms it seems most people have more than 1 ESO account anyway so it's pointless. Especially since you don't need to grind anything for Vengeance and you can buy a new base game account in a sale for a few euros and start playing Vengeance. People will just relog.

Many do, I would bet my beard its nowhere near "most"

I would bet even more no one is buying a new account just to play vengeance, probably already had multiple.

As for the rest, this casual vs vet stuff is funny to me because while y'all are mad at the so called "sweaty veteran gh players" (there's plenty of bad casual players in gh as well), the suggestions we and also vengeance players are making would actually help make the game mode more popular.

You absolutely need alliance lock, these aren't the days when the camps stay almost filled every day all day, no game has longevity like that anyway which is why overtime they make contingency edits like fusing servers to compensate for smaller populations.

When you have a smaller pop in campaigns for instance, alliance lock alone doesn't fix or balance them, thats evident right now with greyhost since dc has almost all the daytime players during work hours. But it does stop everyone from constantly every day in every campaign switching factions the minute that they lose the population advantage for one reason or another.

The only reason we need Blackreach to not be locked is because its just a queue waiting line for greyhost, Vengeance doesn't need anything like that yet and likely never will.