At this moment maybe it is, but can we wait until the other classes are reworked? They might get the same ammount of sustain?

Dracane wrote: »

Though it seems plain and obvious now; it has not thus far occured to me that of course the ressource restore will scale the more ressource you have. Such as with tri stat food. I understand why ever guild includes this mandatorily.

You can also keep up a 10 stack streak indefinitely with hearth of flame on magsorc btw, i know you like magsorc builds, so thought i should at least mention it : ) Thats like 16k magicka restored every 4 seconds lol

The Uninvited wrote: »

At this moment maybe it is, but can we wait until the other classes are reworked? They might get the same ammount of sustain?

Even if every class got their rework tomorrow, which they wont, this kind of infinite sustain is just too much. Some will say it's okay since you have to use every few seconds, but the amount restored enables some very unhealthy gameplay, even on non dks that subclass this.

On my plar I can run regen food with vitality and tripots or slot this one skill, run armor pots and stat food and get more sustain that works thru block.

Not sure what zos could do, as I guess it's getting buffed for pve tanks, maybe cut the heal and resource restore in half for pvp, zos seems to like to give out that penalty for other classes, time for dks to get a taste.

Well again, ESO combat does not allow for proper punishing of offensive skills unless they add a cast time to every spammable and make them as punishable as jabs/snipe. So the main way to punish players was to outplay, drain, and ruin their stam bar. Except now that inhale gives so many resources, you can't do that. So there's only 1 method left and it's to slot unblockable stun, corrosive or 2H ult and mechanical acuity to burst down a permanentblock DPS, or a decent unblockable DOT pressure build like the Masters DW with signet.

The Uninvited wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

At this moment maybe it is, but can we wait until the other classes are reworked? They might get the same ammount of sustain?

So then its all good then? Just give all classes infinite sustain thats the solution? Why even have resource management at all then?

I don't know if you were around when VVardenfell launched, but before that this kind of sustain was kinda normal. And no one that I know in game liked the change to sustain back then.

Indeed. Those times were better. No one likes to be constantly out of ressources, hence why the majority of build at least subclasses Ardent Flame.

At the very least, it should only heal or give back resources but not both.

Giving more resources than it costs (and scaling even higher than that depending on the build), healing, and doing damage is where ZOS abandoned their own design philosophy and has introduced massive power creep in PvE and PvP.

And this is all on a skill line that is already "overloaded" for damage.

I honestly do not understand the goal ZOS was going for when they made these changes. I wasn't around for the PTS, but how could anyone not see this would just raise DPS and promote even more unkillable tank-damage builds in PvP?

The skill literally must be slotted because it's far more efficient at converting resources, healing, and doing damage than any other skill in the game. And it's in the same skill line as whip.

Every other skill that allows resource gain is inferior because it either: doesn't do damage, doesn't heal, or has a possible cap on sustain.

On paper it's not balanced, like other DK changes. Yet, despite all of that...I still am not slotting Ardent Flame off a DK in PvP.

Well, maybe that's why every encounter is an uphill battle. Wait, that's right. Who cares? I'm just gonna fire siege.

Edit: Also forgot to mention every other skill that assists sustain is in an unappealing skill line. I honestly do not see them changing that in the "future" reworks. And even if they did, then we'd be stacking three skill lines with damage and sustain which would be another issue and something to complain about. Then players would complain that classes aren't "unique" anymore.

It's so easy to see that it won't be happening.

Wup_sa wrote: »

Atm its the only form of sustain on pure dk. It should not be just nerfed without adding more numbers to combustion. Infact dk would be a lot more healthier if they listened to better feedback about reworks and maybe buffed combustion resource gain to how it was in u35. On subclassed setups it is absolutely too strong though.

No its not dk already has good sustain with its passive that gives 225 mag and stam every second when you apply burning (basically every skill of dk either has guaranteed burning or higher burning chance btw) and also restores resources with ult.

This skill is busted, there isnt a single argument any one can make that can justify this level of sustain. There is a reason why literally every single one of us is running around with 0 sustain food, sustain enchant and sustain set and yet all of us have infinite sustain.

It is too strong in both PvE and PvP.