Does heart of flame / soul of flame are too strong in PvP?

relog · 8:23AM

With such amount of a dk's in current meta or just chars with ardent flame skill line which dominate in PvP, i don't understand why heart of flame even get buffed from restoring from missing health to from max health.
This skills allow you to play with zero sources of mag/stam regen, not even a single piece of set/trait for regen is needed. You can swap regen food (like orzorga) to stat food (like skulls) and that also boost you regen. You also do not need a stam/mag regen Mundus. I don't even remind that it also somehow have a big aoe damage tick.
I think % values for this skill is over performing and should be reduced.

acanca · 8:40AM

Heart of flame / soul of flame are too strong in PVP and should be nerfed

People not speaking up against core of flame being too strong is the reason i made a pts account in the first place.

It was blatantly overpowered in pts so i was sure people would speak up against it and it wouldnt go live as is in the first place. Yet here we are where not only is it breaking the game on live but its also recieving a massive buff to its healing.

The problem isnt really the damage or the heal though they are also amazing. The problem is the insane amount of resources you can constantly restore with it, and it should be halved with battle spirit active.

The Uninvited · 8:51AM

Heart of flame / soul of flame are in normal state for PVP

At this moment maybe it is, but can we wait until the other classes are reworked? They might get the same ammount of sustain?

Dracane · 8:54AM

Heart of flame / soul of flame are too strong in PVP and should be nerfed

Though it seems plain and obvious now; it has not thus far occured to me that of course the ressource restore will scale the more ressource you have. Such as with tri stat food. I understand why ever guild includes this mandatorily.

acanca · 9:31AM

Heart of flame / soul of flame are too strong in PVP and should be nerfed

Dracane wrote: »

Though it seems plain and obvious now; it has not thus far occured to me that of course the ressource restore will scale the more ressource you have. Such as with tri stat food. I understand why ever guild includes this mandatorily.

You can also keep up a 10 stack streak indefinitely with hearth of flame on magsorc btw, i know you like magsorc builds, so thought i should at least mention it : ) Thats like 16k magicka restored every 4 seconds lol

Militan1404 · 10:05AM

Heart of flame / soul of flame are too strong in PVP and should be nerfed

The Uninvited wrote: »

At this moment maybe it is, but can we wait until the other classes are reworked? They might get the same ammount of sustain?

So then its all good then? Just give all classes infinite sustain thats the solution? Why even have resource management at all then?

Firstmep · 10:35AM

Heart of flame / soul of flame are too strong in PVP and should be nerfed

The Uninvited wrote: »

At this moment maybe it is, but can we wait until the other classes are reworked? They might get the same ammount of sustain?

Even if every class got their rework tomorrow, which they wont, this kind of infinite sustain is just too much. Some will say it's okay since you have to use every few seconds, but the amount restored enables some very unhealthy gameplay, even on non dks that subclass this.

On my plar I can run regen food with vitality and tripots or slot this one skill, run armor pots and stat food and get more sustain that works thru block.

Not sure what zos could do, as I guess it's getting buffed for pve tanks, maybe cut the heal and resource restore in half for pvp, zos seems to like to give out that penalty for other classes, time for dks to get a taste.

xylena · 12:03PM

Heart of flame / soul of flame are in normal state for PVP

I hated it at first, but it would seem "infinite sustain" is the new normal for their design going forward. This isn't actually a problem if pressure builds are strong enough to overpower healing and deny opponents from resetting fights, which they look to be on PTS.

You want to avoid a scenario where sweaty players can access easy sustain but casuals are left struggling with their resource bars. While this may look balanced on the surface, it's really just widening the floor-ceiling gap, while also dumbing down higher level play.

If some players think they have good sustain, but other players are crying that they can't reset fights, that to me is relatively balanced. The 1st Vengeance test showed a meta with too little sustain. Fights devolve into turn-based heavy attacking. Very boring.

ceruulean · 12:25PM

Heart of flame / soul of flame are too strong in PVP and should be nerfed

Well again, ESO combat does not allow for proper punishing of offensive skills unless they add a cast time to every spammable and make them as punishable as jabs/snipe. So the main way to punish players was to outplay, drain, and ruin their stam bar. Except now that inhale gives so many resources, you can't do that. So there's only 1 method left and it's to slot unblockable stun, corrosive or 2H ult and mechanical acuity to burst down a permanentblock DPS, or a decent unblockable DOT pressure build like the Masters DW with signet.

The Uninvited · 4:39PM

Heart of flame / soul of flame are in normal state for PVP

Militan1404 wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

At this moment maybe it is, but can we wait until the other classes are reworked? They might get the same ammount of sustain?

So then its all good then? Just give all classes infinite sustain thats the solution? Why even have resource management at all then?

I don't know if you were around when VVardenfell launched, but before that this kind of sustain was kinda normal. And no one that I know in game liked the change to sustain back then.

Dracane · 4:44PM

Heart of flame / soul of flame are too strong in PVP and should be nerfed

The Uninvited wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

At this moment maybe it is, but can we wait until the other classes are reworked? They might get the same ammount of sustain?

So then its all good then? Just give all classes infinite sustain thats the solution? Why even have resource management at all then?

I don't know if you were around when VVardenfell launched, but before that this kind of sustain was kinda normal. And no one that I know in game liked the change to sustain back then.

Indeed. Those times were better. No one likes to be constantly out of ressources, hence why the majority of build at least subclasses Ardent Flame.

The Uninvited · 4:46PM

Heart of flame / soul of flame are in normal state for PVP

Firstmep wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

At this moment maybe it is, but can we wait until the other classes are reworked? They might get the same ammount of sustain?

Even if every class got their rework tomorrow, which they wont, this kind of infinite sustain is just too much. Some will say it's okay since you have to use every few seconds, but the amount restored enables some very unhealthy gameplay, even on non dks that subclass this.

On my plar I can run regen food with vitality and tripots or slot this one skill, run armor pots and stat food and get more sustain that works thru block.

Not sure what zos could do, as I guess it's getting buffed for pve tanks, maybe cut the heal and resource restore in half for pvp, zos seems to like to give out that penalty for other classes, time for dks to get a taste.

DK's have been quite the worst in sustain for years. But since you're right about other classes, I think it shouldn't be halved, that would be too much of a nerf. Maybe 75% in PVP and give that to all classes?

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