PvP etiquette in Open World (watching or helping)

whitecrow · February 26

Wait until both are near death and finish them off.

BXR_Lonestar · February 26

frogthroat wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

There's no duels in Cyrodil. If I'm not off to a priority target, I'm stopping to help my teammate.

^^this

When you come across with a 1v1 in Cyro (or IC) you are helping no matter what you do. If you join, you are helping your own team. If you don't join, you are helping the enemy.

Agree mostly, except that if there is a more important objective I need to get to, I'm not going to try to save one person at the loss of a strategically important keep. As a support main, I know that my presence in a keep can make a big difference so sometimes tough decisions need to be made. If we're trying to save a keep from being taken, keep will take priority over a single footsoldier in the field.

BardokRedSnow · February 26

Go by your own code, just don't expect everyone else to match it or get mad if others jump you when you don't jump them. I will respect an obvious 1v1 in the middle of nowhere but keep fights are obviously different, or close to keeps etc. And if a fellow DC jumps in to help, im not gonna let them die, on purpose.

By that same respect though I think its silly for people who are in a 1v1 to get mad if people dont help, thinking you're in a duel, and if you're fighting just one player you shouldn't expect others to drop everything they're doing to help you. A cyro build should be able to stonewall 1 player anyway and you should be able to walk away, and if not dying is not a big deal.

Dont wanna get held up by one player if a keep is on fire. Already an issue with groups of players chasing one guy while their faction is on flags.

katanagirl1 · February 26

Major_Mangle wrote: »

ShutUpitsRed wrote: »

It's goofy to expect randoms to respect your "duel" in open PvP zones. Jumping in or not is your personal decision, but anyone who gets mad about you interrupting their "duel" in IC/Cyrodiil needs to get over themselves lol.

As long as the person who interrupted the duel doesn't get mad when the player on their alliance doesn't help them, I say it's fair then.

I have had this happen to me, the two guys were fighting fairly evenly matched so I jumped in to help and my teammate just stood there and the other guy finished me off quickly because I am not geared for 1v1. If anything I thought it was rude to me. Like others have said, there is no 1v1 in Cyrodiil.

I’m not so eager to help others now, I feel sort of bad about it but because of the bad experience I just keep going.

SneaK · February 26

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

if a fellow DC jumps in to help, im not gonna let them die, on purpose.

I wish this was the mindset of most, unfortunately it is not. The PvP community needs new players and often times it’s those new players jumping in only to get left for dead. I can only assume old head smugness plays a role in low pvp numbers..

I think the biggest factor is people really are just afraid to get X’d though. 9/10 times the guys/gals jumping up and down on the sidelines aren’t looking for referee’d 1v1s they’re looking to 1vX and get a clip. If good players fought good players more often we wouldn’t have such an outcry about toxicity or even balance (still issue #1 tho). We’d have more pugs running around too. Lots of weird people and psychology in Cyrodiil.

Fischblut · February 27

When I want pure PvP without thoughts, I go Battlegrounds. When I want to observe human behavior when they are restrained only by their own morals, there is IC. Cyrodiil is interesting mix of both.
Unless someone is sieging our keep in Cyrodiil, or attacks my character, I almost never attack first - other players are interesting to meet by default for me, and it doesn't matter if they are technically attackable in IC or Cyrodiil

If the keep is under attack and I see an ally fighting an enemy in range, I will help of course. Same as if we ride to siege/defend a keep, and someone tries to gank an ally on the way there.

I learned that two people might be dueling thanks to old IC (when it was still a DLC and not a base game map), community was small there and you pretty much knew almost every player you've met there. There were times when we got few duels going at the same time in same location, and everyone respected each other's target. Some people didn't have etiquette, of course...

But you treasured other connections:

Nowadays I almost never go to IC, too many people there without old etiquette and too little interesting meetings :'(
I really miss the old IC, could spend hours there each day seeing all kinds of curious social interactions.

"Sometimes you just want to relax and mindlessly press siege button. Both of you":

"Two enemy players were questing, and one tried to find out what happens if he attacks non-hostile enemy player first":

"Meeting enemy players and naturally showing off the fashion":

"Fishing and communicating with random players until everyone got all trophy fish":

"Our faction holds the entire map, and we've met the enemy player... The most interesting place to be in whole Cyrodiil":

"Very poor hiding skills, but I admire the effort and it's like I've never seen you":

"Everyone of 3 wants a bit of that tel var, but we live in a society and have to respect a duel":

"Both are tired of a long duel and lag, time to find something to chat about":

"The most interesting place to be in whole district":

"Alessia can't be red on our watch. But we have red in Alessia":

Ratzkifal · February 27

I think context matters. This is more or less how I react in these situations.

Two people are having a 1v1 on a resource flag? Join them.
Two people are fighting inside a keep? Join them.
Two people are having a 1v1 at respawn camp near an objective? Join them
Two people are fighting in the middle of a road between an enemy keep and a friendly keep? Join them. For all you know that's a ganker.
Two people are fighting way off to the side of the main roads? Observe and wait if your ally starts bringing the fight over to you or not.
Two people are fighting far behind enemy lines? Join them, with the awareness that it might just be a friendly duel.
Two people are fighting deep inside your own territory? Observe. Even if it's not a duel, the next respawn point is a lot closer for your ally than for the enemy who might just be skyshard hunting.
Two people are fighting, but a second enemy is just observing? Continue observing as well unless the other person picks a fight with you or gets involved in the fight as well.
Two people are fighting, but the enemy has a high champion point level while the ally is below 50 and has a very unimpressive outfit? Join them. Especially if this fight is happening in one of the three towns that your side has been owning until recently.
A ton of people from all alliances are crowding around the ritual mundus stone in Cyrodiil and they are all fighting 1-on-1? You travelled back in time. Continue observing. Whisper someone by typing their name into the chat box after "/w " and ask if they want to duel.

Generally nobody can blame you for joining a duel in Cyrodiil. The same way PvErs don't get to complain about people killing them in Cyrodiil (unless someone is camping quest objectives), duelists don't get to complain if their duel gets "ruined". It's open world PvP. They knew that going in. They can hope that people will be kind to them and let them duel, but that can never be their expectation. Worst case, you are now the one stuck in a 1v1 because the ally dropped out of the fight when you ruined the duel.

wolfie1.0. · February 28

I try to mind my own business. But other players refuse to let me.

Been killed while fishing in both zones.

Have let people from both other factions duel each other only to be killed by both in the process, or be killed by the winner.

There is no etiquette when it comes to pvp...

wolfie1.0. · February 28

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I think context matters. This is more or less how I react in these situations.
Two people are having a 1v1 on a resource flag? Join them.

Two people are fighting inside a keep? Join them.

Two people are having a 1v1 at respawn camp near an objective? Join them

Two people are fighting in the middle of a road between an enemy keep and a friendly keep? Join them. For all you know that's a ganker.

Two people are fighting way off to the side of the main roads? Observe and wait if your ally starts bringing the fight over to you or not.

Two people are fighting far behind enemy lines? Join them, with the awareness that it might just be a friendly duel.

Two people are fighting deep inside your own territory? Observe. Even if it's not a duel, the next respawn point is a lot closer for your ally than for the enemy who might just be skyshard hunting.

Two people are fighting, but a second enemy is just observing? Continue observing as well unless the other person picks a fight with you or gets involved in the fight as well.

Two people are fighting, but the enemy has a high champion point level while the ally is below 50 and has a very unimpressive outfit? Join them. Especially if this fight is happening in one of the three towns that your side has been owning until recently.

A ton of people from all alliances are crowding around the ritual mundus stone in Cyrodiil and they are all fighting 1-on-1? You travelled back in time. Continue observing. Whisper someone by typing their name into the chat box after "/w " and ask if they want to duel.

Generally nobody can blame you for joining a duel in Cyrodiil. The same way PvErs don't get to complain about people killing them in Cyrodiil (unless someone is camping quest objectives), duelists don't get to complain if their duel gets "ruined". It's open world PvP. They knew that going in. They can hope that people will be kind to them and let them duel, but that can never be their expectation. Worst case, you are now the one stuck in a 1v1 because the ally dropped out of the fight when you ruined the duel.

I have been told numerous times that camping quest objectives is a viable option by pvp players and that there is nothing wrong with it.

Ratzkifal · February 28

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I think context matters. This is more or less how I react in these situations.
Two people are having a 1v1 on a resource flag? Join them.

Two people are fighting inside a keep? Join them.

Two people are having a 1v1 at respawn camp near an objective? Join them

Two people are fighting in the middle of a road between an enemy keep and a friendly keep? Join them. For all you know that's a ganker.

Two people are fighting way off to the side of the main roads? Observe and wait if your ally starts bringing the fight over to you or not.

Two people are fighting far behind enemy lines? Join them, with the awareness that it might just be a friendly duel.

Two people are fighting deep inside your own territory? Observe. Even if it's not a duel, the next respawn point is a lot closer for your ally than for the enemy who might just be skyshard hunting.

Two people are fighting, but a second enemy is just observing? Continue observing as well unless the other person picks a fight with you or gets involved in the fight as well.

Two people are fighting, but the enemy has a high champion point level while the ally is below 50 and has a very unimpressive outfit? Join them. Especially if this fight is happening in one of the three towns that your side has been owning until recently.

A ton of people from all alliances are crowding around the ritual mundus stone in Cyrodiil and they are all fighting 1-on-1? You travelled back in time. Continue observing. Whisper someone by typing their name into the chat box after "/w " and ask if they want to duel.

Generally nobody can blame you for joining a duel in Cyrodiil. The same way PvErs don't get to complain about people killing them in Cyrodiil (unless someone is camping quest objectives), duelists don't get to complain if their duel gets "ruined". It's open world PvP. They knew that going in. They can hope that people will be kind to them and let them duel, but that can never be their expectation. Worst case, you are now the one stuck in a 1v1 because the ally dropped out of the fight when you ruined the duel.

I have been told numerous times that camping quest objectives is a viable option by pvp players and that there is nothing wrong with it.

Yeah. There are levels to this. Being in a town, patrolling it and killing everything that moves? That's legit.
Waiting in stealth at the quest turn in point for players to come to you and prevent the same players from completing the quest for hours. That's taking it too far.
From what I remember, the developers have more or less confirmed that too. It's when PvP crosses into "continued harassment" that it stops being okay. Killing the same player over and over doesn't reward you with AP anymore after a point so I'm guessing if you stop getting AP on someone and you kill them repeatedly anyway, that's probably where the line is.

L_Nici · February 28

Respect the 1v1.

Arboz · February 28

L_Nici wrote: »

Respect the 1v1.

Thanks for your answer, but after so many insights and opinions my question is done, in the meanwhile.
I will attack whatever and whoever I see.

katanagirl1 · February 28

L_Nici wrote: »

Respect the 1v1.

It is interesting that the people who advocate for this are most likely the ones who are in favor of killing PvE players at the Cyrodiil town quest turn-ins during Whitestrake's Mayhem because everyone in PvP is a valid target. It can’t work both ways.