Most of my main guild is gone.
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Early in the PST Beta, a bunch of us formed a guild called the Daggerfall Brovanent. We chatted almost everyday. We played ESO together. We had long chats about what the game is and what it should be.
You guys in the PST might remember Carde. He was the second player to ever become Emperor. We had a lot of good memories in beta. He loved ESO. He is gone.
The day the game launched, we were over 100 players strong. Today we are down to 9 active players.
Nobody quit the guild. People just quit the game. Only 9 of us have logged in, in the past week. Many have come to our sight and said they quit the game. Others have just not logged on in two or more weeks.
Sad thing is, most of the ones who quit were strong ZOS supporters. Ironically, the ones who had the most problem with the game and were fighting for some real changes were the ones who stayed.
The ones who quit had faith that the game was going to get better before launch. No way ESO will launch so many bugs, or without dueling or a fully functional guild bank or all the other ton of things ESO needed to be fixed. Have faith in ZOS they would tell people.
Now they are gone. Lost over 90% of the guild.
I sure hope ZOS starts to turn this around. Time is running out.
Edited by Blackwidow on May 17, 2014 5:58AM You guys in the PST might remember Carde. He was the second player to ever become Emperor. We had a lot of good memories in beta. He loved ESO. He is gone.
The day the game launched, we were over 100 players strong. Today we are down to 9 active players.
Nobody quit the guild. People just quit the game. Only 9 of us have logged in, in the past week. Many have come to our sight and said they quit the game. Others have just not logged on in two or more weeks.
Sad thing is, most of the ones who quit were strong ZOS supporters. Ironically, the ones who had the most problem with the game and were fighting for some real changes were the ones who stayed.
The ones who quit had faith that the game was going to get better before launch. No way ESO will launch so many bugs, or without dueling or a fully functional guild bank or all the other ton of things ESO needed to be fixed. Have faith in ZOS they would tell people.
Now they are gone. Lost over 90% of the guild.
I sure hope ZOS starts to turn this around. Time is running out.
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Slantasiam✭✭✭the problem is in the games state its not worth 15 bucks a month to these players its not worth 2 bucks as far as im concerned but im stuck here another month. maybe it will get better and a lot will come back, then again maybe it wont get better....4 -
Syzmicke✭✭✭Sadly there will be a lot of guilds in the same situation There is so many faults with the game even FFXIV was not this bad on there first launch and what did they do.
They took the game down for a year and fixed it.
I am not saying this needs taking down for a year but something has to be done or all that will be left is the bots that have infested the game in a big way.3 -
AryaWythers✭✭✭The game isn't even worth any of the money so many of us spent on this unfinished product!3 -
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✭✭It's annoying because this game has a ton of potential to be great...my issues are with all the nerfs to player fun (specifically loot and drops) thanks to bots, and the bugs they're not fixing fast enough, plus the punishing mechanics they really just need to remove or lighten up on (expensive gear decay/small banks and expensive upgrades/expensive COD costs and expensive guild shop tariffs). Plus the imbalance on some fights through the game - they need to sweep through all the mobs (especially at vet level) and balance the fights. And the grind at vet levels - loads of people seem to be burning out already because of this grind.
Oh yeah, and knowing all the bots have run rampant over the server, and tons of exploiters got to keep their riches and went unpunished, wrecking the economy (along with the subsequent nerf to container loot, making it even harder to get hold of basic things like motifs and recipes without giving exploiters and goldfarmers even more profit).
What else are people leaving over?Edited by babylon on May 17, 2014 6:10AM5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Some of this is normal, MMOs lose most of their players in the first month. Usually this is only in the 70% - 80% range, so a ~90% drop isn't a good sign.
Second, ZoS has botched this launch badly. On the technical side, things haven't been too terrible. We've had the bugs, and a few outages, but nothing to serious. But the customer service has been beyond abysmal. The community engagement has been terrible. And the refusal to look at serious issues, like the Vampire spam in PvP has been unforgivable.
In spite of the speeches about how they understood they'd have to earn their subscription fee, and how they understood what they were undertaking, I'm just not seeing it.
The bots have been allowed to fester, and the, "but, honestly, we're working on it guys," line is getting really old. We had the vampires completely breaking PvP. We've had the account banks break, and everywhere, we've heard almost nothing. Eventually they got around to the Vampires, and I understand that the bank fix took time, but these are issues that could have been kept under control with actual community involvement, and instead we get the occasional, "your issue is working as intended" or "thank you, we'll look at that." No explanations, no rational, no actual engagement with the community.
Maybe I've been looking in the wrong places, but that doesn't look good, especially when I'm sitting on characters with the deterioration bug, being told, "working as intended," and asked to cough up 15 bucks for content I can't actually do anything with.7 -
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✭✭What else are people leaving over?- Bad and limited GUI options
- Bad banking system
- Lack of guild options
- No dueling
- Can't reply in mail
- Crappy guild store, lack of any real AH
- No underwater swimming
- Bug ridden game
- No crime system. (might be in some day)
- Difficult to play in groups.
- Bad LFG system
- Can't even fix some bugs that have been in the game for over a year
- Bad communication with customers
- Laggy combat
- Addon system instead of simple user friendly tools
- Loot system needs an overhaul
- Vet levels
- Overpriced things like banks, bags, mounts, COD, etc
- Challenge balance with classes and monsters
- PvP is become a ghost town
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✭✭✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
Over what?
I'd say, borderline trolling, but that's probably slightly unfair. There are a lot of people who seem to be coming to the opinion that if ZoS doesn't weigh in on a subject, it must not be a real issue. Which, when we're talking about things like combat balance being wonky, or the armor deterioration bug, turns into them saying, "I haven't experienced this issue personally, so it must not be a real issue." I've even seen it occasionally with people saying we're making up the bot infestation.
With ZOS' borderline silence, my patience is running pretty thin with them.
EDIT: It's been especially pervasive in the combat difficulty threads, with people wading in and going, "lolz l2p nub", in slightly more articulate condescension.Edited by starkerealm on May 17, 2014 6:29AM7 -
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✭✭starkerealm wrote: »...them saying, "I haven't experienced this issue personally, so it must not be a real issue."
Yes, this kills me.
You stubbed your toe? My toe does not hurt, so it must not be painful.With ZOS' borderline silence, my patience is running pretty thin with them.
I have begged them just to acknowledge a bug that has been in the game for over a year. They simply refuse to even comment on it.3 -
AryaWythers✭✭✭Didn't the government execute Zombie experiments in WoW way back in the day... I just can't believe that a company would release this much of an unfinished product in 2014...unless they are just so inept to make so may mistakes and anger so many people in their consumer base...2014 and you cant offer basic PvP elements (regardless of the thousands of other issues) that so many companies have offered to satisfied customers before for so many years, with less technology... I could be wrong and this may just be worst MMO launch in history though!Edited by ZOS_MichelleA on May 17, 2014 7:28AM0
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Innocente✭✭✭✭The guild I am in is emptying out as well. Folks are not dropping out of the guild; they are dropping out of the game. Where we would typically have 30+ folks on at any one time during day or night, we now have a dozen at most. More usually 8 to 10.
I am also seeing significantly reduced numbers of players in the towns and crafting areas I play in. Sure, some are moving on to different locations, but that also means that there are no new players coming in to take their place. Not a good sign for the long term health of the PC version of ESO.
Still have lots of Speed Hackers, Teleport Hackers, BOT Hackers around. See plenty of them out in the field now. Stripping the countryside bare like the plague of locusts that they are.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭AryaWythers wrote: »Didn't the government execute Zombie experiments in WoW way back in the day...
No, the CDC used data from the blood plague exploit to model outbreak scenarios.
Basically, there was an issue where one of the raid bosses inflicted an infectious debuff, which players figured out how to get outside of the raid with. Then they spread it to the general population.
The government wasn't involved in any way until years later, when some grad student decided they wanted to use Blizzard's data to model vectors and human behavior in an outbreak scenario. The CDC later picked up that modeling, ran with, and expanded it.
At least, I think that's what you're talking about.Edited by starkerealm on May 17, 2014 6:47AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The guild I am in is emptying out as well. Folks are not dropping out of the guild; they are dropping out of the game. Where we would typically have 30+ folks on at any one time during day or night, we now have a dozen at most. More usually 8 to 10.
I am also seeing significantly reduced numbers of players in the towns and crafting areas I play in. Sure, some are moving on to different locations, but that also means that there are no new players coming in to take their place. Not a good sign for the long term health of the PC version of ESO.
Still have lots of Speed Hackers, Teleport Hackers, BOT Hackers around. See plenty of them out in the field now. Stripping the countryside bare like the plague of locusts that they are.
It doesn't help that word on the bots is actually getting out. Again if ZOS was actually on top of this thing, and managing the community, it probably wouldn't be as bad, but instead... here we are.1 -
Korozenn✭✭✭✭While not much has changed with my guild in terms of activity (about 70-80% of them are active daily out of the 23 of us, as of this post), it's clear to me that a lot of the friends I had made in Beta and were going to get this game at launch didn't even buy the game.
On top of that, many other friends beyond just a very small number (2 or 3) in my guild that I had registered on my friend list isn't playing anymore either. I expected something similar to happen after the first free month was up, but I didn't expect many of them to drop out of the game before the first month was finished at all...many before they even got remotely close to Veteran Rank content.
Now, after hearing about your situation OP, and personally seeing the affect all of these issues collected have had on certain areas of the game that demand more out of groups of players (public dungeons, for instance), it's very disheartening. While I know there are always other people to make friends with and that I will certainly still keep my subscription as I enjoy this game very much, I can see why people would feel compelled to unsubscribe, so I can't really say I blame them for doing it.
None of us who were playing this game since Beta expected this large volume of issues, especially in concern with botting, RMT, and exploiting. We're all shocked and appalled that this could even happen in the first place, but such is the life of an MMO now getting on its feet more often than not, sadly. All we can do is continue doing our best to be a thriving community within the game to lend a hand and help out each other.0 -
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✭This is one big problem that occurs when you have multiple-guild options. People tend to swap/hop around (even if they do stay in the game). One guild per player has always worked better, it promotes team spirit and build stronger friendships.
It's my feeling that Zeni only went down the multi-guild route to help justify their 'bad decision' not to make a global auction house !High Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
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✭✭This is one big problem that occurs when you have multiple-guild options. People tend to swap/hop around (even if they do stay in the game). One guild per player has always worked better, it promotes team spirit and build stronger friendships.
100% agreeIt's my feeling that Zeni only went down the multi-guild route to help justify their 'bad decision' not to make a global auction house !
That was exactly why. That was the only reason they gave for doing it that way.3 -
dragnar12✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »What else are people leaving over?
- Bad and limited GUI options
- Bad banking system
- Lack of guild options
- No dueling
- Can't reply in mail
- Crappy guild store, lack of any real AH
- No underwater swimming
- Bug ridden game
- No crime system. (might be in some day)
- Difficult to play in groups.
- Bad LFG system
- Can't even fix some bugs that have been in the game for over a year
- Bad communication with customers
- Laggy combat
- Addon system instead of simple user friendly tools
- Loot system needs an overhaul
- Vet levels
- Overpriced things like banks, bags, mounts, COD, etc
- Challenge balance with classes and monsters
- PvP is become a ghost town
Just to list a few things.
can i add some
lvl is solo play ( no grouping for u unless dungeon )
after your down lvling u get is solo play again ( no grouping unless dungeon )
pvp is laggy as heel in europ ( we have server in usa we know we *** up cheap )
getting stuck on main quest 6 day,s long ( YEAAA we like that rofl )
poor support everywhere ingame forum and whats not ( < lol )
veteran ranks ( not that they are there but the forced grind in other faction quest is just puke )
pvp = noting more as zerg / camp
actionhouse , omg
bugs and stuck peeps never helped ( firs carr i made is stuck in jail lvl ( whit pre order items and has not been helped yet ! )
paywall content < wtf zenni imperial ( yea plain we try and get as mutch money as posible )
worst of all is no comunicayion and genric repspondses0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oh, right, the customer support tickets that would result in completely random, irrelevant, non-helpful responses, like telling people who couldn't subscribe because of issues about how wonderful subscribing at a higher tier is, before closing the ticket. And then getting snippy if you tried to open another ticket because, no, really, there system doesn't think my billing address is real, and telling me, well, just subscribe with a game card THAT DOESN'T EXIST YET ISN'T AN ANSWER!
EDIT: When my girlfriend filed a ticket when she experienced the bank bug, she literally got a response from CS about how to use the bank interface, and how to buy new bank slots.Edited by starkerealm on May 17, 2014 7:14AM0 -
Mablung✭✭✭✭✭For me the most disappointing aspect of this game is that it is not an MMO but a single player game with other gamers running rampant in your game. There essentially is no need for interaction with other players outside of group dungeons.
I agree that there are more and more troll posts where people are stating in a condescending tone, it's not happening to me then it's not happening to you. This is highly aggravating because they just don't get it. People vent/complain because they care about the game and want it to be successful.
I purchased a 3 month subscription. I did so in hope that the upcoming content patch corrects a large amount of the issues we are having.Edited by Mablung on May 17, 2014 7:25AM1 -
Sil✭✭✭Well, my personal meaning is, in fact this game is somehow boring.
PVP you could forget as a normal human being, quests and sceneries are repetitive, everything that makes an MMO an MMO isn't available or it is problematic. It has nice graphics and as there is a big hole atm in the MMO landscape you can play it a bit until something better comes. If you are in a nice communicative big trading guild like me you have also some contact and fun, while you do these epic singleplayer quests until you are bored to death.
Sure I don't do this VR1 to VR10 mess, I make some twinks to look at the story of all factions, and if I am bored enough I hope there is something else on the market until then. A real possibility to develop the character and his business I don't see. You have your given questline, you have to do it until VR10, then make laggy PVP against Überbuilds and meanwhile try to ignore that all this is totally senseless
Don't get me wrong. This game has a nice scenery and if you buy a cheap gamecard offer it isn't expensive, so it is a nice time waster, and you can live with it... until you find a better time waste * auch wenn ich mich aufrege, rege ich mich nicht auf*0 -
AryaWythers✭✭✭Must be just a terrible game from an inept Video game company since just the Worst release in MMO history...just people trying to steal as much money as they can before game fails do to the thousands of bugs!0
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ausmack2014✭✭✭I know two people who are serious gamers, both of them were very much looking forward to ESO as they were big fans of Skyrim. One played for about a day and gave up due to various technical issues , the other unsubscribed at the end of the free to play period because of overall discontent. If serious gamers aren't 'hanging in there' but returning to other entertainments, then I wonder at the rest. I think the unhappiness and frequent notes about leaving on this forum are an indicator - only a tiny number of people bother to complain about a product, most of them just leave, quietly, taking their money with em. And what is worse for a business, telling their friends not to bother.1
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KyreniSoul ShrivenFor me the most disappointing aspect of this game is that it is not an MMO but a single player game with other gamers running rampant in your game. There essentially is no need for interaction with other players outside of group dungeons.
This is exactly how I feel. Folks coming along and ganking the mob you were fighting just because they can... forced solo quest content even when group is on the exact same step... It's essentially an over-priced single player.
As I never intend to participate in PvP (not my thing), while I feel for the players effected, I don't worry too much about it. However, I still keep an eye on balance and skill changes, as those WILL affect PvE.
So far I feel myself very lucky that I haven't experienced many bugs or had anything absolutely requiring CS attention, but the bots are horrid. I've had nodes yanked out from under me - literally! - by invisible PCs with names like "dkendq" who magically pop out from under the ground afterwards and flit away.
The hubby and I are currently playing our 3 month subscriptions, but if there are not major improvements after that, I don't see us hanging around.0 -
ausmack2014✭✭✭Well, my personal meaning is, in fact this game is somehow boring.
PVP you could forget as a normal human being, quests and sceneries are repetitive, everything that makes an MMO an MMO isn't available or it is problematic. It has nice graphics and as there is a big hole atm in the MMO landscape you can play it a bit until something better comes. If you are in a nice communicative big trading guild like me you have also some contact and fun, while you do these epic singleplayer quests until you are bored to death.
Sure I don't do this VR1 to VR10 mess, I make some twinks to look at the story of all factions, and if I am bored enough I hope there is something else on the market until then. A real possibility to develop the character and his business I don't see. You have your given questline, you have to do it until VR10, then make laggy PVP against Überbuilds and meanwhile try to ignore that all this is totally senseless
Don't get me wrong. This game has a nice scenery and if you buy a cheap gamecard offer it isn't expensive, so it is a nice time waster, and you can live with it... until you find a better time waste
This is pretty well my take. I'll have to investigate game cards, it might be a way to check in on it now and then rather than subscribe, since I cancelled my sub and will run out of game time in a couple of weeks.0 -
Sil✭✭✭AryaWythers wrote: »Must be just a terrible game from an inept Video game company since just the Worst release in MMO history...just people trying to steal as much money as they can before game fails do to the thousands of bugs!
I haven't played WoW and i am no hardcore MMO player, but from the MMO aspect you may be right. It is more a singleplayer game which is played together with others on a server with some rudimentary MMO features and a buggy seperate PVP desaster.ausmack2014 wrote: »This is pretty well my take. I'll have to investigate game cards, it might be a way to check in on it now and then rather than subscribe, since I cancelled my sub and will run out of game time in a couple of weeks.
Yes, so I did it. Gamecards are often more or less cheap sold and you have no sub. The game has its moments, so if you just ignore the main story and do here and there what you want it sometimes sure makes fun. I pay with a game card around 9 euro/month, well, that's ok, nothing to whine about.
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pronkg✭✭✭✭I'm notausmack2014 wrote: »I know two people who are serious gamers, both of them were very much looking forward to ESO as they were big fans of Skyrim. One played for about a day and gave up due to various technical issues , the other unsubscribed at the end of the free to play period because of overall discontent. If serious gamers aren't 'hanging in there' but returning to other entertainments, then I wonder at the rest. I think the unhappiness and frequent notes about leaving on this forum are an indicator - only a tiny number of people bother to complain about a product, most of them just leave, quietly, taking their money with em. And what is worse for a business, telling their friends not to bother.
I'm a serious gamer as well and I love this game and was disappointed by Skyrim. It's all a matter of taste. Me and my friends expected less of this game.
I think a huge group of players had wrong expectations of this game. Which I can understand cause a single player game is really different from an mmorpg.
I'm also sure zenimax was/is well aware of that fact.
I see allot of people leave and I also see allot joining. I don't have the numbers but it seems ok to me so far.
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thanks, I just wish ZOS would start hearing us.