Most of my main guild is gone.

ausmack2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

What else are people leaving over?

• Bad and limited GUI options
• Bad banking system
• Lack of guild options
• No dueling
• Can't reply in mail
• Crappy guild store, lack of any real AH
• No underwater swimming
• Bug ridden game
• No crime system. (might be in some day)
• Difficult to play in groups.
• Bad LFG system
• Can't even fix some bugs that have been in the game for over a year
• Bad communication with customers
• Laggy combat
• Addon system instead of simple user friendly tools
• Loot system needs an overhaul
• Vet levels
• Overpriced things like banks, bags, mounts, COD, etc
• Challenge balance with classes and monsters
• PvP is become a ghost town

Just to list a few things.

* No option to change any part of a character appearance, even so far as hair style.
* hideously overpriced stat reset cost.
* Single bank used by up to 8 characters rather than a bank per character.
* Only one type of mount.


Those are extra ones I can think of at the moment. The one mount in particular I find hard to understand. If you can do a graphic for a horse, why not give a couple of other racially available mounts? The reset cost is a joke, and the single bank is probably one of my biggest annoyances.

ShintaiDK

A lot of people bought this game for the wrong reason.

And mass exodus in single guilds is not uncommon. Other guilds have less than 10% people that quit.

ausmack2014

pronkg wrote: »

I'm not

ausmack2014 wrote: »

I know two people who are serious gamers, both of them were very much looking forward to ESO as they were big fans of Skyrim. One played for about a day and gave up due to various technical issues , the other unsubscribed at the end of the free to play period because of overall discontent. If serious gamers aren't 'hanging in there' but returning to other entertainments, then I wonder at the rest. I think the unhappiness and frequent notes about leaving on this forum are an indicator - only a tiny number of people bother to complain about a product, most of them just leave, quietly, taking their money with em. And what is worse for a business, telling their friends not to bother.

I'm a serious gamer as well and I love this game and was disappointed by Skyrim. It's all a matter of taste. Me and my friends expected less of this game.

I think a huge group of players had wrong expectations of this game. Which I can understand cause a single player game is really different from an mmorpg.

I'm also sure zenimax was/is well aware of that fact.

I see allot of people leave and I also see allot joining. I don't have the numbers but it seems ok to me so far.

I don't believe its a matter of expectations, I don't think they (or I) am guilty of that degree of tunnel vision. They loved the world created for Skyrim and were looking forward to experiencing that world in an mmorpg format. The fact that a world they loved was put together into the mmo format so badly is what disappointed. Yes it looks lovely and yes parts of it are fun. The problem is big parts of it aren't fun, and when the not-fun outweighs the fun for a player, you will have that player leaving. If it works for you, well and good. A lot of people will pay and stay. A lot of people won't. I guess time will tell which way the scale tips.

Blackwidow

ShintaiDK wrote: »

A lot of people bought this game for the wrong reason.

Everyone that was in my guild was in the beta for over a year and played almost everyday.

We knew what the game was at launch. Problem was, most were hoping ZOS would change the game in the right direction or fix the major issues before release.

So, I guess the wrong reason for them was having too much faith in ZOS?

murklor007neb18_ESO

Unfortunetly I've seen the same thing in my guild. Maybe 75% of the early access players have pretty much dropped the game and newer players are finding it extremely hard to get interested due the huge difference between high rankers and low rankers plus the insane lag of the EU server. Since the game doesnt scale down players in lower level zones (like GW2), you cant really enjoy helping a friend to level 1-50 on your VR character. And with the EU server in the US, its far too common to hear friends say that they played 10 minutes, got into a fight, then lost because they all enemies suddenly regened all HP and ran away... Then they die 3 seconds later, because they where already dead 5 seconds ago.

Lets not even begin to mention Cyrodiil. Its the main attraction of the game IMO and *no one* want to go there because of heavy lag and broken features. So people drag themselves through PvE... and get bored within 30 min of questing.

The game has so much potential and is so much fun when things actually work, it makes me feel even more sad

Laura

Syzmicke wrote: »

Sadly there will be a lot of guilds in the same situation There is so many faults with the game even FFXIV was not this bad on there first launch and what did they do.

They took the game down for a year and fixed it.

I am not saying this needs taking down for a year but something has to be done or all that will be left is the bots that have infested the game in a big way.

I really hope they do that actually. I like the game its above average but its elder scrolls it should have been a massive juggernaut.

Re-release this with raids, collectables, more exploration, change the veteran content, improve pvp features and incentives, less bugs and exploits, crime system, housing, and more basic elder scrolls tenants.

I'm still here I will be for a while but I would love to see them take it down and make it better - it sure has the potential to be.

Bangstin

Blackwidow wrote: »

ShintaiDK wrote: »

A lot of people bought this game for the wrong reason.

Everyone that was in my guild was in the beta for over a year and played almost everyday.

We knew what the game was at launch. Problem was, most were hoping ZOS would change the game in the right direction or fix the major issues before release.

So, I guess the wrong reason for them was having too much faith in ZOS?

Or maybe because 'Everyone that was in my guild was in the beta for over a year and played almost everyday' . Not to say that the game doesn't have issues

AryaWythers

Path of Exile is one of the best Free-to-Play MMO PvE games out there and only charge for cosmetics...I just payed for this game since they promised us actual PvP, I guess i was wrong so long after pre-launch and PvP is still in shambles and none of the long term bugs have been fixed!

I do love other games and going to check Wasteland 2 at some point since they offered their game as early release and let me know ahead of time that my money was going towards an unfinished product.

Or the thirty other great games I have bought recently that function so much better that this premium Unfinished MMO with a premium price tag.

Blackwidow

Bangstin wrote: »

Or maybe because 'Everyone that was in my guild was in the beta for over a year and played almost everyday' . Not to say that the game doesn't have issues

No, it was not that the game got old. The issues with the game got old. If the issues were fixed, they would still be here. Many have said just that.

RedTalon

I have to admit even I'm playing less not just due to being ill irl, but just well hard to find resouces and pvp is emptying out. Would like to craft on a few of my alts, but since that one exploit for resouce nodes is so widely wise, it s pointless to harvest sometimes bots have things on lock down.

Bangstin

Blackwidow wrote: »

Bangstin wrote: »

Or maybe because 'Everyone that was in my guild was in the beta for over a year and played almost everyday' . Not to say that the game doesn't have issues

No, it was not that the game got old. The issues with the game got old. If the issues were fixed, they would still be here. Many have said just that.

Well, you kinda set yourself up for disappointment and get bored if you play beta for a year almost every day and expect all the issues to disappear at lauch day.

Adernath

While I still like to play the game, the 'biggest' dissapointments for me are not the bugs but the map/level designs, things which unfortunetely need alot work to get right. The only issue I am still sticking to the game is because they made skyrim and perhaps they will make it better...

1. The maps are too small and everything is packed in very small spaces. It is highly unimmersive if there is a peaceful town and not a stone's trow away we have the bandits hideout. Or when there are tigers and wolfes spawned in the vicintiy of a town. In fact, tamriel has more become an island than a continent if you consider the world proportions.

You can not enjoy the landscape, there is always something about to attack you. And I find it a very poor solution if the view is dimished by fog to make the world look bigger while it is in fact not.

What I'd like to see is immersive and large landscapes like in skyrim with a crystal clear view into the distance. Create certain areas by procedural generation if necessary, but make the world bigger! Where you dont always stumble upon the next wolf or the next spider which is going to attack you when you walk in one direction. Of course, such a realistic world would require alot more footwork, but with the wayshrine system that footwork is already reduced alot and a bit more footwork to gain a more immersive world isnt that bad imo.

2. The dungeons are too small. First I thought ok, I am in the starter Zone and we have these beginner dungeons which mostly consists of a circular parcour and nothing to explore... no second level, no third level, no fourth level.... just a small tiny parcour and out-of-the-box designs. Some of them also have similar structures inside, where it is very obvious that these models are taken by
I want to get instanced only with those players which entered into that dungeon at a similar time than me. To enter a dungeon already completely cleared in which 10 other players already roaming around is very boring!

3. The cities... well, sure they are made in alot detail, but many buildings just look the same from outside and inside. I know the entire world is huge and at some point compromises had to be made. But the number of models which were used in their creation were simply too small. Often it is too obvious that they were made from a couple of sanbox models.

4. Grathwood and Malabal Tor: Especially in Grathwood I expected a deep wood, where you dont see the sky and light hardly reach the ground level. Instead we have great Oaks which are seperated so far away so that in between you have wide areas of gras where the sun is shining ... that is not a deep wood sorry. I also expected more originality, for example that most roads in these areas are in between the great oaks and not on the ground level. A far denser vegetation... Huge waterfalls... wonderous places.

5. The night/day cicle barely makes much differences. During night it is almost as bright as during day. The dungeons are so bright there is no true 'horror' in it.

6. Dialogs/riddles. Most riddles are way too easy. Dialog options dont have consequences for the later game and also there are often too few dialog options imo.

Thanks for making a nice game and reading my feedback.

KerinKor

Syzmicke wrote: »

There is so many faults with the game even FFXIV was not this bad on there first launch and what did they do..

Total rubbish, FFXIV V1 was orders of magnitude worse than this on every level.

V1 had no content, no end-game, nothing other than daily leves and a rudimentary main story that ended IIRC at level 20 on release. Server stability was the usual disaster and login queues were massive.

It's easy to forget just how bad FFXIV V1 was, saying ESO is worse clearly shows your memory isn't what you think it is.

Nox_Aeterna

Honestly , my biggest grip with this game:

- "Play the way you want"
- "Class wont tell you your role"

Honestly , right now those two are big fat lies. I understand they plan to add more skill trees and with time balance the game , but first they are planing on adding the trials , which is probably the most competitive PvE thing they could have implemented in this game ... really?

KerinKor

Adernath wrote: »

While I still like to play the game, the 'biggest' dissapointments for me are not the bugs but the map/level designs, things which unfortunetely need alot work to get right. The only issue I am still sticking to the game is because they made skyrim and perhaps they will make it better...

ZOS didn't have anything to do with Skyrim so your hope on that score is vain.

As for your criticisms I disagree with most of them, especially 1 and 5, about the only thing I can go along with is 4 .. I expected Mirkwood not Sherwood Forest.

KerinKor

Blackwidow wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

What else are people leaving over?

• Bad and limited GUI options
• Bad banking system
• Lack of guild options
• No dueling
• Can't reply in mail
• Crappy guild store, lack of any real AH
• No underwater swimming
• Bug ridden game
• No crime system. (might be in some day)
• Difficult to play in groups.
• Bad LFG system
• Can't even fix some bugs that have been in the game for over a year
• Bad communication with customers
• Laggy combat
• Addon system instead of simple user friendly tools
• Loot system needs an overhaul
• Vet levels
• Overpriced things like banks, bags, mounts, COD, etc
• Challenge balance with classes and monsters
• PvP is become a ghost town

Just to list a few things.

People are so shallow they leave due to lack of duelling? I doubt it, not in numbers that matter .. and leave due to no crime system? What absurdity is that?

I suspect your list are your own pet peeves and few account for most people who've 'left'. Of course no one knows numbers so you're guessing in the first place.

Arwyn

Support kills me, its what will make me leave, oddly I only have a couple of issue with the game in total but not getting support for those is going to be the death of this game for me.

Support is very important, people need to feel that bugs will be fixed, otherwise why are we paying a monthly sub.

If this were F2P I would say the support would be ok, but it isnt F2P.

starkerealm

@Arwyn‌ Out of curiosity, do you actually mean customer support, or the lack of ZOS involvement on these boards.

They're separate issues, kind of. Whoever decided to route the spammers and bots through customer service was doing them a massive favor, because it meant that 85% of the stuff being sent to the front line reps was problems they literally couldn't do anything about. So, customer service is still spread way too thin.

Then there's the forums where you need to lose your mind and start screaming before anyone from ZOS will deign to notice that there just might be a bug.

For me, it's the latter more than the former that's driving me towards the door.

Seroczynski

I think it's time for a complain sub-forum.

starkerealm

Seroczynski wrote: »

I think it's time for a complain sub-forum.

But that'd require more work than just ignoring this thread...

Syzmicke

KerinKor wrote: »

Syzmicke wrote: »

There is so many faults with the game even FFXIV was not this bad on there first launch and what did they do..

Total rubbish, FFXIV V1 was orders of magnitude worse than this on every level.

V1 had no content, no end-game, nothing other than daily leves and a rudimentary main story that ended IIRC at level 20 on release. Server stability was the usual disaster and login queues were massive.

It's easy to forget just how bad FFXIV V1 was, saying ESO is worse clearly shows your memory isn't what you think it is.

Yes you are correct i was just pointing out what they did and this game needs the same.

It may not be on the same scale as FFXIV but the broken quests,exploits,bots and a host of other things that dont work like some passive,s, PvP, combat animation and other thing's.

AlexDougherty

Blackwidow wrote: »

Nobody quit the guild. People just quit the game. Only 9 of us have logged in, in the past week.

They need a system were if someone hasn't logged in for a month, they lose their position in the guild (Brits generally go on hols for two weeks, so anything under 17days won't work for us).

If the guild leader is still there they can promote from those still active, or if he isn't a new guild leader promoted based on rank/time in guild.

Blackwidow wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

What else are people leaving over?

• Bad and limited GUI options
• Bad banking system
• Lack of guild options
• No dueling
• Can't reply in mail
• Crappy guild store, lack of any real AH
• No underwater swimming
• Bug ridden game
• No crime system. (might be in some day)
• Difficult to play in groups.
• Bad LFG system
• Can't even fix some bugs that have been in the game for over a year
• Bad communication with customers
• Laggy combat
• Addon system instead of simple user friendly tools
• Loot system needs an overhaul
• Vet levels
• Overpriced things like banks, bags, mounts, COD, etc
• Challenge balance with classes and monsters
• PvP is become a ghost town

Just to list a few things.

A lack of duelling is a bonus for me, I'm not getting challenged to a duel five times a minute, yay.
Lack of a global Auction house is bad.
Swimming and crime system not an issue.
Just write mails manually
Simple User Friendly tools is a vague description, covers anything from changing the Layout of the UI to mods. Ok with the former, no to the latter.
I like the Bank.
I agree to varying degrees with the rest.

Arwyn

starkerealm wrote: »

@Arwyn‌ Out of curiosity, do you actually mean customer support, or the lack of ZOS involvement on these boards.

They're separate issues, kind of. Whoever decided to route the spammers and bots through customer service was doing them a massive favor, because it meant that 85% of the stuff being sent to the front line reps was problems they literally couldn't do anything about. So, customer service is still spread way too thin.

Then there's the forums where you need to lose your mind and start screaming before anyone from ZOS will deign to notice that there just might be a bug.

For me, it's the latter more than the former that's driving me towards the door.

Kinda both really, the support through the ticketting system is next to useless, I always hoped that there would be support on the boards but that is even worse.

PF1901

KerinKor wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

What else are people leaving over?

• Bad and limited GUI options
• Bad banking system
• Lack of guild options
• No dueling
• Can't reply in mail
• Crappy guild store, lack of any real AH
• No underwater swimming
• Bug ridden game
• No crime system. (might be in some day)
• Difficult to play in groups.
• Bad LFG system
• Can't even fix some bugs that have been in the game for over a year
• Bad communication with customers
• Laggy combat
• Addon system instead of simple user friendly tools
• Loot system needs an overhaul
• Vet levels
• Overpriced things like banks, bags, mounts, COD, etc
• Challenge balance with classes and monsters
• PvP is become a ghost town

Just to list a few things.

People are so shallow they leave due to lack of duelling? I doubt it, not in numbers that matter .. and leave due to no crime system? What absurdity is that?

I suspect your list are your own pet peeves and few account for most people who've 'left'. Of course no one knows numbers so you're guessing in the first place.

I mostly agree with your statement. Criticism where criticism is due but some points listed in this thread are so much out of the way it seems futile discussing them. And yes, people are that shallow.

ShintaiDK

In terms of numbers. Something like 95% of the player base never visits the forums. And forums got the habbit of who yell the highest is right. Usually by a sub 2% crowd.

Nox_Aeterna

ShintaiDK wrote: »

In terms of numbers. Something like 95% of the player base never visits the forums. And forums got the habbit of who yell the highest is right. Usually by a sub 2% crowd.

Can you please provide from where you got those %?

Cause im willing to bet you just made those up right here and now lols.

Dont toss random % , say a majority or a minority and so on.

ShintaiDK

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Can you please provide from where you got those %?

Cause im willing to bet you just made those up right here and now lols.

Dont toss random % , say a majority or a minority and so on.

Its not hard to look at forum activity for ESO or any other MMO for that matter and then check against estimated amount of subscribers.

Adernath

KerinKor wrote: »

Adernath wrote: »

While I still like to play the game, the 'biggest' dissapointments for me are not the bugs but the map/level designs, things which unfortunetely need alot work to get right. The only issue I am still sticking to the game is because they made skyrim and perhaps they will make it better...

ZOS didn't have anything to do with Skyrim so your hope on that score is vain.

As for your criticisms I disagree with most of them, especially 1 and 5, about the only thing I can go along with is 4 .. I expected Mirkwood not Sherwood Forest.

Why point 1? I find it very obvious that the entire maps are very small and the fog is there to give you the illusion that they arent.

Squishy

The problem with ZOS not talking about bots, is that some operators and the people making the bot software are lurking into the forums.

I threw in a few suggestions ( a couple being fake, and I knew the community would not go for it at all, yet, I knew if it was implemented, it would seriously cripple the bots), and what do you know? Two new bot versions came out within a couple of days, with measures against what I suggested (I'll not expand on that for obvious reasons).

Keeping this in mind, Zeni can not possible tell us what they're working on, or how they plan on dealing with it, otherwise, it'll give bot makers time to prepare for it.

Considering the financial costs from fraudulent credit card refunds (yep, most of the time, Zeni's the one footing the bill+ refund administrative costs), and the reputation hit they're taking, I seriously doubt they're ignoring it They simply can not tell us what their plan is...

I do however agree with several points made by the OP, some very awkward design choices were made

Nazon_Katts

ShintaiDK wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Can you please provide from where you got those %?

Cause im willing to bet you just made those up right here and now lols.

Dont toss random % , say a majority or a minority and so on.

Its not hard to look at forum activity for ESO or any other MMO for that matter and then check against estimated amount of subscribers.

Estimated based on what? And where's the link to the board statistics, I'd love to have a look myself.