Gabriel_H wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

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You claimed it was likely. Nevertheless, it is casting suspicion on those groups where it is unwarranted.

No it isn't.

HatchetHaro wrote: »

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While a human is not as fast as a macro, the game, again, has global cooldowns for skillcasts and barswaps that no macro can bypass. There is also an input queue for skills and barswaps, so any non-same skill that you input before that global cooldown expires will get instantly cast as soon as that global cooldown expires. The global cooldown is approximately one second, and so if a human can press buttons faster than once per second (I suspect any able-bodied person easily can), they can be as fast as a macro in ESO.

The GCD is precisely one second. The skill queue is at minus 400ms - no human is that precise.

Chaebol wrote: »

Wouldn't it be possible to do free attributes and skills respec through the armory system?

code65536 wrote: »

Kira stated on stream that they don't want people to feel like mid-run respecs are necessary. If that is your goal (and it should be your goal), then you absolutely must restrict their use during scored content.

It should have the same restrictions as the armory assistant: You can use it before the timer starts and after the timer ends upon completion of the instance, but while the timer is running, you can't.

Subclassing should be a good guide for how players will treat this: The devs have said that subclassing is optional and that it only adds power and doesn't take away anything. But in practice, the fact that it adds power means that it is not actually optional. People who don't subclass will not perform as well as those who do, and as a result, they are effectively forced to do so if they want to keep up and carry their own weight. Even if there are no explicit orders from raid leads to subclass, people will feel that implicit pressure from not being able to keep up with their peers.

The exact same thing will happen with respecs. Even if there is no "toxic behavior" of people explicitly asking for players to do mid-run respecs, there will still be that pressure. And with subclassing, respecs are more powerful than ever before.

And yes, there already are addons that can do respecs with the click of a button if you are at a respec shrine, and I use them to change builds, subclassing, etc., in a few seconds. But addons are not the problem--they are an important time saver. And it's currently balanced because I need to port out to a respec shrine to do such a thing.

Unrestricted respecs, with the help of addons, WILL cause massive balance issues and WILL force people to engage this way (even if they are not being explicitly told to do so), and you MUST nip this in the bud by disallowing when the trial timer is running.

(On that note, please add an armory station to Infinite Archive and exempt IA from these restrictions. Why? Because IA is not timed. Because people already respec mid-IA run by porting outside because IA is not timed. Because the very nature of IA--with visions that drastically change how you play--necessitates changing your build as you progress. And because 12-person trials are already over-optimized by top-end players which is what leads to extraordinary power gaps between groups, which is not nearly as much of a problem in other content.)

@ZOS_Finn

code65536 wrote: »

Kira stated on stream that they don't want people to feel like mid-run respecs are necessary. If that is your goal (and it should be your goal), then you absolutely must restrict their use during scored content.

It should have the same restrictions as the armory assistant: You can use it before the timer starts and after the timer ends upon completion of the instance, but while the timer is running, you can't.

Subclassing should be a good guide for how players will treat this: The devs have said that subclassing is optional and that it only adds power and doesn't take away anything. But in practice, the fact that it adds power means that it is not actually optional. People who don't subclass will not perform as well as those who do, and as a result, they are effectively forced to do so if they want to keep up and carry their own weight. Even if there are no explicit orders from raid leads to subclass, people will feel that implicit pressure from not being able to keep up with their peers.

The exact same thing will happen with respecs. Even if there is no "toxic behavior" of people explicitly asking for players to do mid-run respecs, there will still be that pressure. And with subclassing, respecs are more powerful than ever before.

And yes, there already are addons that can do respecs with the click of a button if you are at a respec shrine, and I use them to change builds, subclassing, etc., in a few seconds. But addons are not the problem--they are an important time saver. And it's currently balanced because I need to port out to a respec shrine to do such a thing.

Unrestricted respecs, with the help of addons, WILL cause massive balance issues and WILL force people to engage this way (even if they are not being explicitly told to do so), and you MUST nip this in the bud by disallowing when the trial timer is running.

(On that note, please add an armory station to Infinite Archive and exempt IA from these restrictions. Why? Because IA is not timed. Because people already respec mid-IA run by porting outside because IA is not timed. Because the very nature of IA--with visions that drastically change how you play--necessitates changing your build as you progress. And because 12-person trials are already over-optimized by top-end players which is what leads to extraordinary power gaps between groups, which is not nearly as much of a problem in other content.)

@ZOS_Finn