spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »Ishtarknows wrote: »Unlikely.
I bought Dark Brotherhood, Wrothgar, Thieves Guild and Greymoor, but they're going to be included in the base game soon. Should I expect a refund too?
You still have access to those dlc. This isn't just a change in price, it's potentially the removal of a paid purchase. We don't know enough about this yet to make judgment but those two scenarios are not comparable. It's normal for stuff to go on sale or be reduced in price as time depreciates it's value. It's another for stuff to be discontinued.
Was the limit previously over 10 slots per character? If not, then nothing was lost.
Making things cheaper/more accessible is always a nice thing. Even if it makes past purchases feel wasteful. Much like anything later going on sale or given away for free.
What someone paid for was accessing all of those slots before this change. They got what they paid for, even if now it kind of feels bad that so much was spent that now does not have future value.
It is lost because it's a slot I paid real money for that was over the limit that I was not informed of at time of purchase. If I purchased 13 slots and now I have 10 slots, that's 3 slots that I spent money on for nothing.
spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »Ishtarknows wrote: »Unlikely.
I bought Dark Brotherhood, Wrothgar, Thieves Guild and Greymoor, but they're going to be included in the base game soon. Should I expect a refund too?
You still have access to those dlc. This isn't just a change in price, it's potentially the removal of a paid purchase. We don't know enough about this yet to make judgment but those two scenarios are not comparable. It's normal for stuff to go on sale or be reduced in price as time depreciates it's value. It's another for stuff to be discontinued.
Was the limit previously over 10 slots per character? If not, then nothing was lost.
Making things cheaper/more accessible is always a nice thing. Even if it makes past purchases feel wasteful. Much like anything later going on sale or given away for free.
What someone paid for was accessing all of those slots before this change. They got what they paid for, even if now it kind of feels bad that so much was spent that now does not have future value.
It is lost because it's a slot I paid real money for that was over the limit that I was not informed of at time of purchase. If I purchased 13 slots and now I have 10 slots, that's 3 slots that I spent money on for nothing.
Because it simply was not an offering at the time of your purchase. At some point they need to move forward, not go back potentially years of purchases. If they had to refund many purchases over the past X years they would not give us this new QoL at all.
spartaxoxo wrote: »Yeah. I have more than 10 slots and I'm not happy about this. I had not maxed them out on any characters and I am happy that they will have access to it. But I'm not happy that ones in excess of 10 that I bought are essentially worthless now
And afaik, you will still have 10 slots per char. It's not like you have 10 slots and you need to split them between your chars. Is that if you bought... idk 15 tokens total for 3 chars (9-3-3), all will have 10 slots each in the future. Total amount of outfits you can save would be 3charsx10slots each=30 in this case.spartaxoxo wrote: »Ishtarknows wrote: »Unlikely.
I bought Dark Brotherhood, Wrothgar, Thieves Guild and Greymoor, but they're going to be included in the base game soon. Should I expect a refund too?
You still have access to those dlc.[...]
I definitely agree it should always have been like this. It always felt extra greedy they were so expensive and per-character.
I definitely understand the frustration felt by those who purchased more than 10. I just disagree that you lost anything as this change is a net benefit for your account.
Even in the most extreme case of someone having 10 slots on 20 characters - which I imagine is an extreme, extreme minority of the playerbase, you at least now have the freedom to delete alts and make new ones and still have 10 slots off the bat.
I definitely agree it should always have been like this. It always felt extra greedy they were so expensive and per-character.
I definitely understand the frustration felt by those who purchased more than 10. I just disagree that you lost anything as this change is a net benefit for your account.
Even in the most extreme case of someone having 10 slots on 20 characters - which I imagine is an extreme, extreme minority of the playerbase, you at least now have the freedom to delete alts and make new ones and still have 10 slots off the bat.
ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »I definitely agree it should always have been like this. It always felt extra greedy they were so expensive and per-character.
I definitely understand the frustration felt by those who purchased more than 10. I just disagree that you lost anything as this change is a net benefit for your account.
Even in the most extreme case of someone having 10 slots on 20 characters - which I imagine is an extreme, extreme minority of the playerbase, you at least now have the freedom to delete alts and make new ones and still have 10 slots off the bat.
I mean, not really. You'd still lose armory slots if you deleted an alt. If you had armory slots on them, that is.
ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »I definitely agree it should always have been like this. It always felt extra greedy they were so expensive and per-character.
I definitely understand the frustration felt by those who purchased more than 10. I just disagree that you lost anything as this change is a net benefit for your account.
Even in the most extreme case of someone having 10 slots on 20 characters - which I imagine is an extreme, extreme minority of the playerbase, you at least now have the freedom to delete alts and make new ones and still have 10 slots off the bat.
I mean, not really. You'd still lose armory slots if you deleted an alt. If you had armory slots on them, that is.
ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »I definitely agree it should always have been like this. It always felt extra greedy they were so expensive and per-character.
I definitely understand the frustration felt by those who purchased more than 10. I just disagree that you lost anything as this change is a net benefit for your account.
Even in the most extreme case of someone having 10 slots on 20 characters - which I imagine is an extreme, extreme minority of the playerbase, you at least now have the freedom to delete alts and make new ones and still have 10 slots off the bat.
I mean, not really. You'd still lose armory slots if you deleted an alt. If you had armory slots on them, that is.
Updating armory slots to account wide was not ruled out in today's Livestream.I might actually use the armory system more if they did.
ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »I definitely agree it should always have been like this. It always felt extra greedy they were so expensive and per-character.
I definitely understand the frustration felt by those who purchased more than 10. I just disagree that you lost anything as this change is a net benefit for your account.
Even in the most extreme case of someone having 10 slots on 20 characters - which I imagine is an extreme, extreme minority of the playerbase, you at least now have the freedom to delete alts and make new ones and still have 10 slots off the bat.
I mean, not really. You'd still lose armory slots if you deleted an alt. If you had armory slots on them, that is.
Updating armory slots to account wide was not ruled out in today's Livestream.I might actually use the armory system more if they did.
That would be really nice! Unfortunately I missed the stream today. I'll have to watch.
spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »Ishtarknows wrote: »Unlikely.
I bought Dark Brotherhood, Wrothgar, Thieves Guild and Greymoor, but they're going to be included in the base game soon. Should I expect a refund too?
You still have access to those dlc. This isn't just a change in price, it's potentially the removal of a paid purchase. We don't know enough about this yet to make judgment but those two scenarios are not comparable. It's normal for stuff to go on sale or be reduced in price as time depreciates it's value. It's another for stuff to be discontinued.
Was the limit previously over 10 slots per character? If not, then nothing was lost.
Making things cheaper/more accessible is always a nice thing. Even if it makes past purchases feel wasteful. Much like anything later going on sale or given away for free.
What someone paid for was accessing all of those slots before this change. They got what they paid for, even if now it kind of feels bad that so much was spent that now does not have future value.
It is lost because it's a slot I paid real money for that was over the limit that I was not informed of at time of purchase. If I purchased 13 slots and now I have 10 slots, that's 3 slots that I spent money on for nothing.
ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »Heads up for PTS users- if you don't see the slots account wide at first, you have to log onto each character that has them for the data to go account wide. I needed to log in on my PVP main to see his 10 slots on other characters.
Elvenheart wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »Ishtarknows wrote: »Unlikely.
I bought Dark Brotherhood, Wrothgar, Thieves Guild and Greymoor, but they're going to be included in the base game soon. Should I expect a refund too?
You still have access to those dlc. This isn't just a change in price, it's potentially the removal of a paid purchase. We don't know enough about this yet to make judgment but those two scenarios are not comparable. It's normal for stuff to go on sale or be reduced in price as time depreciates it's value. It's another for stuff to be discontinued.
Was the limit previously over 10 slots per character? If not, then nothing was lost.
Making things cheaper/more accessible is always a nice thing. Even if it makes past purchases feel wasteful. Much like anything later going on sale or given away for free.
What someone paid for was accessing all of those slots before this change. They got what they paid for, even if now it kind of feels bad that so much was spent that now does not have future value.
It is lost because it's a slot I paid real money for that was over the limit that I was not informed of at time of purchase. If I purchased 13 slots and now I have 10 slots, that's 3 slots that I spent money on for nothing.
I totally sympathize and feel bad for people who over the years have bought more slots than 10. I really do hope in those cases that ZOS does something to help offset this.
But I’m still very glad they have made these slots account-wide finally. I’ve bought a few slots over the years just when I felt I had to for a character concept to have different outfits, but I doubt that I have bought 10 total just because they were only character-wide - I’m going to look tonight. And every time I’ve bought one I’ve hated that they were not account-wide and I just felt like I was wasting my money. Now that they are account-wide, any that I am missing I will buy and not feel like it’s wasteful, and going forward it will be wonderful that every new character I create will start off with 10 outfit slots right off the bat!
silky_soft wrote: »Should of been account wide from the start. I bought one thinking they were right at the start. Only to realise they weren't account wide and sending feedback to never purchase again.
I think it's different to content becoming free because it's a luxury convenient addon. People that go over what ever cumulative limit they set should get the crowns refunded.
spartaxoxo wrote: »Elvenheart wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »Ishtarknows wrote: »Unlikely.
I bought Dark Brotherhood, Wrothgar, Thieves Guild and Greymoor, but they're going to be included in the base game soon. Should I expect a refund too?
You still have access to those dlc. This isn't just a change in price, it's potentially the removal of a paid purchase. We don't know enough about this yet to make judgment but those two scenarios are not comparable. It's normal for stuff to go on sale or be reduced in price as time depreciates it's value. It's another for stuff to be discontinued.
Was the limit previously over 10 slots per character? If not, then nothing was lost.
Making things cheaper/more accessible is always a nice thing. Even if it makes past purchases feel wasteful. Much like anything later going on sale or given away for free.
What someone paid for was accessing all of those slots before this change. They got what they paid for, even if now it kind of feels bad that so much was spent that now does not have future value.
It is lost because it's a slot I paid real money for that was over the limit that I was not informed of at time of purchase. If I purchased 13 slots and now I have 10 slots, that's 3 slots that I spent money on for nothing.
I totally sympathize and feel bad for people who over the years have bought more slots than 10. I really do hope in those cases that ZOS does something to help offset this.
But I’m still very glad they have made these slots account-wide finally. I’ve bought a few slots over the years just when I felt I had to for a character concept to have different outfits, but I doubt that I have bought 10 total just because they were only character-wide - I’m going to look tonight. And every time I’ve bought one I’ve hated that they were not account-wide and I just felt like I was wasting my money. Now that they are account-wide, any that I am missing I will buy and not feel like it’s wasteful, and going forward it will be wonderful that every new character I create will start off with 10 outfit slots right off the bat!
Oh. I'm glad they're going account wide too. I think it's a net positive. I just wish they had already decided what they're going to do about this situation.
tomofhyrule wrote: »The retrofitting of this is just weird to me, honestly.
Don't get me wrong, I like having them account-wide instead of purchasing one per character. It was kinda weird for them to be that expensive for only one character.
However... I already bought them for my alts. I had plans for how many each character needed, and I got the ones I needed. I didn't buy more since I didn't want them to have loads of slots that I don't need.
And now everyone's got 10 slots, when I only am using like 3 per. That's... unfortunate.
I'd actually prefer to be able to give up slots that I'm not going to be using. If I'd wanted 10 slots, I'd have gotten that from the beginning. But now I have to sit with my characters having a bunch of unused slots hanging on that I didn't ask for.
I'm not expecting any compensation (if I calculated right, I've purchased 20 for my account, so that's 10 extras), but I really don't need any one character to have more than like 5. A "sell-back" option before the patch drops would be really helpful.
TheMajority wrote: »tomofhyrule wrote: »The retrofitting of this is just weird to me, honestly.
Don't get me wrong, I like having them account-wide instead of purchasing one per character. It was kinda weird for them to be that expensive for only one character.
However... I already bought them for my alts. I had plans for how many each character needed, and I got the ones I needed. I didn't buy more since I didn't want them to have loads of slots that I don't need.
And now everyone's got 10 slots, when I only am using like 3 per. That's... unfortunate.
I'd actually prefer to be able to give up slots that I'm not going to be using. If I'd wanted 10 slots, I'd have gotten that from the beginning. But now I have to sit with my characters having a bunch of unused slots hanging on that I didn't ask for.
I'm not expecting any compensation (if I calculated right, I've purchased 20 for my account, so that's 10 extras), but I really don't need any one character to have more than like 5. A "sell-back" option before the patch drops would be really helpful.
this doesn't even make sense. just don't use the extra slots?
Just interested in how this will be implemented. If you've bought some on multiple characters do you keep them all (so have more than the existing 10) or will we lose the extras? I know we'll still have them but we'll have paid 2/3/4+ times for the same thing so I think it's valid to feel like we're losing out.
Usually I'd just be resigned to losing them, but with everything announced today it does feel like they're at least trying to consider us players more so is it wrong to feel cautiously optimistic?
spartaxoxo wrote: »It is lost because it's a slot I paid real money for that was over the limit that I was not informed of at time of purchase. If I purchased 13 slots and now I have 10 slots, that's 3 slots that I spent money on for nothing.
tomofhyrule wrote: »TheMajority wrote: »tomofhyrule wrote: »The retrofitting of this is just weird to me, honestly.
Don't get me wrong, I like having them account-wide instead of purchasing one per character. It was kinda weird for them to be that expensive for only one character.
However... I already bought them for my alts. I had plans for how many each character needed, and I got the ones I needed. I didn't buy more since I didn't want them to have loads of slots that I don't need.
And now everyone's got 10 slots, when I only am using like 3 per. That's... unfortunate.
I'd actually prefer to be able to give up slots that I'm not going to be using. If I'd wanted 10 slots, I'd have gotten that from the beginning. But now I have to sit with my characters having a bunch of unused slots hanging on that I didn't ask for.
I'm not expecting any compensation (if I calculated right, I've purchased 20 for my account, so that's 10 extras), but I really don't need any one character to have more than like 5. A "sell-back" option before the patch drops would be really helpful.
this doesn't even make sense. just don't use the extra slots?
That is what I'm going to do.
Still, some people really don't like the look of:
[really cool outfit name]
[another really cool name]
[the last really cool name]
Outfit 4 (blank)
Outfit 5 (blank)
Outfit 6 (blank)
Outfit 7 (blank)
Outfit 8 (blank)
Outfit 9 (blank)
Outfit 10 (blank)
Like I said, if I had known we were going to get this, I wouldn't have bought them in the first place. It's a minor annoyance, true. But I don't like the feeling that you're obligated to use them since you can't hide unwanted ones and can't choose how many to have.
You didn't pay real money, you paid Crowns. While that may sound like a distinction without a difference, it is very much legally is a massive difference. and offers little to no recourse.