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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »You're saying that someone has 48 accounts and the technology to run 48 characters in PvP or is there some cheat hack that spawns 47 bots of some type?
I just don't believe anyone has 48 legitimate accounts and the tech to run them all at once. In Cyrodiil. And if they are - report them. Multi-boxing is allowed. controlling them all at once isn't.
Will try catch it on vid and post it tonight.
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Ghenra✭✭✭More interesting content for Cyrodiil and less VR's.
We want the best RvR game ever, not a lagg fest plus zergfest of random spamers of 3 skills (dark talons, dk standard and bash).
This game will die fast if ZOS not improve Cyrodiil and leave the *** PvE and the next VR15 that anyone want.1 -
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Because PVPers are the majority in this game.jparrillab16_ESO wrote: »More interesting content for Cyrodiil and less VR's.
Really?
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steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »You're saying that someone has 48 accounts and the technology to run 48 characters in PvP or is there some cheat hack that spawns 47 bots of some type?
I just don't believe anyone has 48 legitimate accounts and the tech to run them all at once. In Cyrodiil. And if they are - report them. Multi-boxing is allowed. controlling them all at once isn't.
Will try catch it on vid and post it tonight.
That'll be interesting. I can't help but think something else is going on. Not multiboxing in the sense of one person/48 accounts but maybe some way to share targeting info so it looks like 48 people are controlled by one person? Or some way for 48 people to be controlled by 1 keyboard? It boggles my mind that someone would want to win that much.
But you should send the video and the names of a few of the toons to Support. It's clear cheating.
I've not seen anyhing like this but I have seen very well co-ordinated large groups. But they were obviously individually controlled as they were not all the same class or just using the same attacks.
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Because PVPers are the majority in this game.jparrillab16_ESO wrote: »More interesting content for Cyrodiil and less VR's.
Really?
They should be, but i guess irrational ppl are majority and wish to pay monthly sub to play single player pve content...
Except few tweaks to abilities and better anti-cheat system, game also badly need small scale pvp content - warzones/scenarios/arenas, whatever you want call it, 4vs4 and 8vs8 with option to queue and join them from any place in the world. With proper leaderboard, dmg/heal/mitigation scores and ofc GUILD TAGS and name tags. No pvp players wish to fight vs anonymous players, but want know their enemies.
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Because PVPers are the majority in this game.jparrillab16_ESO wrote: »More interesting content for Cyrodiil and less VR's.
Really?
Maybe not, but PvPers can make this game popular and long-lived. All the chop-mines leave this game soon because that PvE is boring and repetitive, all the people wants to be VR10 to leave this calvary.0 -
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Use Google to look up ISBoxer, that'll tell you all you need to know: it's third-party software without which such large-scale 'boxing isn't possible.steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »That'll be interesting. I can't help but think something else is going on. Not multiboxing in the sense of one person/48 accounts but maybe some way to share targeting info so it looks like 48 people are controlled by one person? Or some way for 48 people to be controlled by 1 keyboard? It boggles my mind that someone would want to win that much.
See my post above for an explanation as to why people using this type of software aren't often banned even though they're clear breaching the TOS of most MMOs IBoxers play in.
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Except few tweaks to abilities and better anti-cheat system, game also badly need small scale pvp content - warzones/scenarios/arenas, whatever you want call it, 4vs4 and 8vs8 with option to queue and join them from any place in the world. With proper leaderboard, dmg/heal/mitigation scores and ofc GUILD TAGS and name tags. No pvp players wish to fight vs anonymous players, but want know their enemies.
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This is 1 of the main reasons a fair few pvpers i know have left.
No choice between orvr and scs/wfs.
Myself i enjoy both ways of pvp equally much so id love to see this ingame....!
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See my post above for an explanation as to why people using this type of software aren't often banned even though they're clear breaching the TOS of most MMOs IBoxers play in.
But you still have to have all those legitimate accounts? I understand this sort of software exists but surely it can only control accounts of yours? It can't control guild members scattered across all of europe surely? And it cannot launch all 8 of your characters from 1 account.
Part of me feels that if you go to these lengths and expense to 'win' in an mmo you might as well be left to get on with it.
The bigger part of me wants to start slapping faces though.
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You are correct on all counts.steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »
See my post above for an explanation as to why people using this type of software aren't often banned even though they're clear breaching the TOS of most MMOs IBoxers play in.
But you still have to have all those legitimate accounts? I understand this sort of software exists but surely it can only control accounts of yours? It can't control guild members scattered across all of europe surely? And it cannot launch all 8 of your characters from 1 account.
Each character is on a separately paid for and subbed account owned by the 'boxer, they aren't multiple characters on one account as the game server won't allow that to happen, and played on a machine or machines he controls.
Theoretically they can be distributed across the Internet, I have no idea if this is ever/often done.
I have two accounts in most games, I play on two PCs though I only truly dual-box in FFXI using a KVM to switch between the two PCs largely due to historical reasons. In ESO my 'alt' account gives me easier muling.
Some games like WOW have a ./follow command so you can legitimately link many characters to follow one of each other, which is how 'trains' are built in games like that. ESO has no such command so when you see a bot train you know it has to be using third-party software (eg. ISBoxer) or is simply pos-hacking.Edited by KerinKor on May 15, 2014 2:18PM0 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭You are correct on all counts.
Each character is on a separately paid for and subbed account owned by the 'boxer, they aren't multiple characters on one account as the game server won't allow that to happen, and played on a machine or machines he controls.
So one guy has 24 or 48 accounts? To paraphrase King Theoden.
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I saw the question arise about WHY someone would divulge such interest in "winning" to have a program to all be controlled by one button attack/defend...etc. Well from my experiences it's all about money.Since it has nothing to do with love, except maybe the LOVE for money...lol. Anyway these accts. that get to a vr10 will undoubtedly be sold. Most Blizzard accts. are that way, meaning they(gold farming companies) have bought (from multi-boxers) accts. then resold them. The multi-boxers are mass producing vr10 leveled characters and not just for entertainment purposes. Normally what happens though is the farm company after maybe several months inform the MMO company of acct. theft naming the buyer of the acct. as the perp. Then the MMO company investigates either giving the acct. back to the farming company representative (thinking the rep is a normal individual) or finds the original acct. has been sold and just bans it. The guy that bought it loses his acct. and possible future accts. The farm company laughs all the way to the bank. This has been documented on many documentaries on TV and how the MMO companies are either the pawn or a willing participant. Remember when something is this amiss it's always about money!!!"No moment of despair is so great it cannot be overcome by a fifth of good bourbon and a beautiful woman in black seamed stockings and 6-inch stiletto heels."0 -
I have to say I'm starting to loose faith.Duping ,bots,bank glitches,bugs have moved this game backwards.. I want to see progress FORWARD.SOLVING THE ABOVE PROBLEMS ADDS NOTHING TO THE GAME.At best they can move the game to where it should have been.To repeat the famous saying of George Washington......"DEEDS NOT WORDS".I want deeds.I want a game that is moving forward,not wallowing in its setbacks.0
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Couldnt catch 50 man Aldmerii multiboxer but instead found 2 x 24 man multiboxing Daggerfall. Wtb customer support to clear game from this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBNVK_mkkHg&feature=youtu.be
Watch my intentional jumping between them, 0 reaction.
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TomLukman✭✭✭This multibox cheating is really becoming a pain in the arse. While they can be dodged once you learn how, they are almost impossible to kill, they ignore all damage and roots. On top of that, wherever there is a multiboxer, server lag jumps sky high making it really hard for regular players to cast any abilities. Casting something can take up to a few seconds.
This issue really needs to be solved fast as it is ruining the game for honest players. I really enjoy organized PvP but this multiboxing crap is really taking all fun of it.0 -
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Well 'boxer groups of that size are pretty rare, but it's very common to see groups of 4/5/6 depending on the size of a normal 'dungeon party' any particular game has.steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »You are correct on all counts.
Each character is on a separately paid for and subbed account owned by the 'boxer, they aren't multiple characters on one account as the game server won't allow that to happen, and played on a machine or machines he controls.
So one guy has 24 or 48 accounts? To paraphrase King Theoden.
What can men do against such reckless extravagance?
In Warcraft groups of 5 Shaman are a common setup as that class can perform all 'trinity' roles very well and can tackle any instance on-level. Groups of 10 are also not unknown as raid content comes in 10 and 20-man variants.
I actually understand this, if you play an entire group you can play instances on your own and can avoid PUGs altogether, and PUGging is the number one reason I rarely ever play that content in MMOs.
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Sheneria✭✭✭Couldnt catch 50 man Aldmerii multiboxer but instead found 2 x 24 man multiboxing Daggerfall. Wtb customer support to clear game from this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBNVK_mkkHg&feature=youtu.be
Watch my intentional jumping between them, 0 reaction.
lol this video shows no multiboxing, if anything this is a disciplined raid owning a mindless zerg ("hint" you)
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Maybe you should watch with open eyes. First how they can "own me" if i never die to them? Second, how much "organized" raid need to be to allow jump between 10 of them and not see me/react?
Because only one on front is not bot and only he see whats going on around would be my best guess. Its 100% bot group, sometimes random ppl join and follow it so you might see them, but core of this run its always absolute follow, exact same time ability usage (after all its macroed to same button) never reacting on whats going on their flanks and back.0 -
Couldnt catch 50 man Aldmerii multiboxer but instead found 2 x 24 man multiboxing Daggerfall. Wtb customer support to clear game from this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBNVK_mkkHg&feature=youtu.be
Watch my intentional jumping between them, 0 reaction.
lol this video shows no multiboxing, if anything this is a disciplined raid owning a mindless zerg ("hint" you)
If it would be organized then there would also be dmg on the sides, the fact that you can just stay/run on the flanks of this grp says it all.0 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭You may be right but I don't see anything that suggests these are anything other than a zerg. they aren't moving in unison, they aren't using skills in unison.0
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Why should it ignore cc? I agree that it would be pretty damage resistant if some of the characters was healing all the time however pull or kickback would spread the characters out, any cc would do the same if he was moving.This multibox cheating is really becoming a pain in the arse. While they can be dodged once you learn how, they are almost impossible to kill, they ignore all damage and roots. On top of that, wherever there is a multiboxer, server lag jumps sky high making it really hard for regular players to cast any abilities. Casting something can take up to a few seconds.
This issue really needs to be solved fast as it is ruining the game for honest players. I really enjoy organized PvP but this multiboxing crap is really taking all fun of it.
No I have no issues with outlawing multiboxing, it would probably hurt bots more too. I only have problem seeing how multiboxing can be practical in PvP outside of a few limited settings.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
Sheneria✭✭✭sorry but its not a bot grp. its a german guild from EU Bloodthorn. I even talked to some of them. And in organized grp, you do what the leader tells you via TS/mumble.You don't stop and engage in combat on the flanks/back on your own just saying.1
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Shame we talking about EU Auriels Bow. Also their leader forbid them ever turn character to even look whats going on flanks? Look on vid mate, they never even turn to look ;D 100% bot.0
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Sheneria✭✭✭sorry they are in top 20 in EU Bloodthorn look it up yourself, since we (DC) own the Server they guest elsewhere.
there is no botting going on, its old GW2 tactic (i used to run in raids like this too).0 -
TomLukman✭✭✭Why should it ignore cc? I agree that it would be pretty damage resistant if some of the characters was healing all the time however pull or kickback would spread the characters out, any cc would do the same if he was moving.
No I have no issues with outlawing multiboxing, it would probably hurt bots more too. I only have problem seeing how multiboxing can be practical in PvP outside of a few limited settings.
Well, I don't know why the should ignore but the fact is they do. And when it comes to healing - they should take damage and then get healed, and in this case they don't take any damage. Their health bars always stay full, none of them ever get rooted, knocked back or pulled by DK chain. And even when a group of us did manage to pull one out from the group we couldn't kill it. It's health went down a bit and then it just wanished. Poof - no longer there.
I guess you're right. We really shouldn't have any problems with multiboxer groups like that and the big lag they create.0 -
lol, The PRACTICALITY of this is money. You level up 4-5 accts. then sell them either to other real players or to gold farmer companies who in turn sell them to real individual players.If leveling is faster in PvP then this will be the MAIN area where bots/multiboxers are. If it not the fastest area/method, then it is simply to round out those accounts in the PvP area making them more appealing to buy. If an MMO company turns blind eye to this type of procedure, chances are they have some interest (monetarily) in the long run.Or the people/person directly overseeing PvP/multiboxing/botting is getting some type of kickback from the gold farming industry. Players will not simply buy 4-5 accts. and multibox/bot for the sheer enjoyment. It is money oriented and always has been."No moment of despair is so great it cannot be overcome by a fifth of good bourbon and a beautiful woman in black seamed stockings and 6-inch stiletto heels."0
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How about limiting IP addresses to 1-2 accts., or requiring a notarized statement stating there are actually more than 1-2 real people playing at the same time on that IP address. MMO companies can and will do something if multiboxing/botting eats into their wallets. Untill then we will have the gold farming market co-joined with the MMO company making a small income for both."No moment of despair is so great it cannot be overcome by a fifth of good bourbon and a beautiful woman in black seamed stockings and 6-inch stiletto heels."0
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭sorry they are in top 20 in EU Bloodthorn look it up yourself, since we (DC) own the Server they guest elsewhere.
there is no botting going on, its old GW2 tactic (i used to run in raids like this too).
Interesting, fun fact - those bot train parts are on Auriels Bow leaderboard, guests cant do that
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frwinters_ESO✭✭✭✭Game need , Aucion House real one not this "Guild Thing" and come on copy paste items i need verte 100 pages to find one item ... Smaller scale PVP for hardcore pvp players i reely dont enjoy spam 2-3 random buttons in some direction and maby to hit something .
I agree. I was all for the guild stores at first but the past few weeks I have changed my mind. ESO can consider allowing us to merge/ trade (stores) with other guilds or something. Anything. We really need a bigger trading market to make selling items worth it.
With all the fixes and known issues you mention there is still NO mention of fixing all the problems with class passives and skills. Night blade? I don't play a night blade but we know people who have already left the game because you guys still haven't even mentioned a fix for them. I don't understand why there is so much focus on bots/gold spammers and ZERO on fixing things that are more serious (IMO).
And why did you nerf the drop rate of items from wardrobes, chests, sacks, etc..knowing it would make exploring those things worthless for your legit players? I don't need or want anymore lock picks or hops! You did it to help with bots and gold spammers and that ISN'T going to slow them down all it did was punish the legit players. One of the main reasons ESO was still worth playing was exploring and finding cool items in the world. Well, for me its empty of that. I was lucky to find one green recipe (that I already have) in the past week in a Vet level 3 zone. Put less focus on bots/gold sellers and more on fixing the issues driving players to quit. I'd also like to know how much you nerfed reading the books with the chance for us to increase skills? It's been several weeks of reading all the bookshelves I come across and nothing.
Zenimax, you still have some loyal players but you are losing some of them. I don't want to see this game fall flat but you are already making the same mistakes other MMO"s have and that is ignoring what your players are saying.
I'm a vampire and not for pvp =x I have a plan IF the dark brotherhood is introduced. That said, consider making the vampires and ww feel like we are just that? I'm not mortal so the npc's shouldn't call me one and we should be seen as what we are like in the elder scrolls console games. NPC's in towns knew we were undead. Quest NPC's could make us do a small quest proving they could trust us or something so we are accepted in that town? Just a thought.
I don't pvp a lot but when I go to cyradiil I see where you can add to the pvp there and make it more fun. You should add smaller scale pvp options there in arenas or something. Add dueling there. So much space you guys can fill in with stuff to do for your pvp base.
Overall, I still enjoy the game but ONLY for the questing atm =x Once I am done with that I am hopeful you guys will have fixed and added some of the suggestions your players have put out there. Believe it or not, your players have a clue on what is needed for this game to succeed since we play it, we read chat, we hear from A LOT of in game players what is lacking to keep interest in the game.
they are aware of the nightblade issues and on the docket to be fixed as per this thread:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/97595/in-progress-known-issues#latest
this thread is updated almost daily with the already known issues so keep it handy. There is a paragraph on the ngithblade broken passives. They are aware.0
