Veteran Rank 13 confirmed - OMG why? :(

RedTalon · May 2014

Gotta group to win at end game, always the truth of serious online games.

But guess they could tone down the exp for those that don't have large amount of days in a week to endlessly level. Now that the exploits to leveling are closed for the most part.

Maverick827 · May 2014

epoling wrote: »

I think it is smart to not do the "end game" thing. End game always ends up being a boring grind of the same content day after day after day to get the uber gear. I rarely play my end game characters in EQ2 anymore because it is just too darn boring. Give me new content that keeps my character actually growing instead of just hoping for the right drop off the next boss.

I think a grind of the same quests over and over will be more boring.

Go here and talk to this guy.
You get to this guy and he opens a portal.
You go into the portal and kill 1 - 3 enemies.
Go back and talk to the first guy.
The first guy tells you to go collect four items.
You get each item, having to kill 1 - 4 enemies along the way.
Place these items on four altars right next to each other.
An enemy spawns, kill it.
Go back to this guy and talk to him for no reason.
Go back to the first guy, he tells you to go kill someone.
You go to the spot and kill the guy.
Go back to the first guy and finish the quest.

This times 400.

killedbyping · May 2014

netsike wrote: »

In the grouping tools video the characters are VR13... And I also read, that the max. is VR20. For me it destroys the game...I would like to reach max level and enjoy the endgame: get a nice gear, than gear sets, refine them to legendary, participate in dungeon or raid runs and when I'm bored of it, roll a new character. But like this:

- I'm just VR6 but I'm already bored of the endless questing
- I don't want to make a new char and try a new class and grind through everything again to reach V10
- It's pointless to craft a legendary armor and use 56 dreugh wax for example for refining .... and a lot of stuff what ppl already complained about.

What's the sense to raise the cap so often? Cause there is no real endgame content? I would stop the cap at V10 and release raids, dungeons with special sets, what ppl can collect together and I would start a token system, cause like this it's kinda pointless to repeat the veteran dungeons... I could write so much about a better endgame... Maybe it's just me, but I really don't like the future plans now.

Well this screenshot doesnt look so well. Level 5 character in Wailing prison ? How and WHY ?!

How ever, i honestly hope there ZOS will never CAP vr level and they will keep grow it with each major update like craglorn.
Beeing able to gain few more levels and there be able to start doing higher level dungeons and get better gear IS A "ENDGAME".
Just reach max level and then repeat same content over and over ? Or just do new dungeons but with same level of items ?
Dont lie to yourself, every will get bored of that in 1 months.
New levels and new items is what keep people in game.
If you dont want to continiously evaluate go play some Counter-Strike or Heroes of Newearth

Ragefist · May 2014

Oh boy, I think it boils down to people being stuck with WoW for so many years that they cannot comprehend anything else that "Level cap - gear grind - expansion" scenario

Well it aint happending here. This game has constant updates and we wont be stuck on same max level for a year. Get over it

If being stuck with nothing to do but daily quests and raid weekly lockouts floats your boat, play the damn WoW

Xnemesis · May 2014

I believe they had up to vet rank 20 at one time. This doesn't mean they will release this right away but it doesn't hurt to already have it in place....Im tired of these the sky is falling posts... calm down chicken little it will be ok

Anastasia · May 2014

Srugzal wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

Also, those who reached highest level like in a week, most are not playing anymore. Also, those who are reaching it are "bored". They dont know it or admit it, but they missed more then half the game because of "grinding".

I have a friend in veteran ranks who remarked that he'd run into a lot of VR players during Craiglorn testing on the PTS who aren't even familiar with the story.

It appears the grinding to VR thinking that was a shortcut to the "real" game are actually missing out on, well, the real game.

Hm...hmm...hmmm. Different kinds of players need to go to the games where they can get the same-oh-same-oh they are yearning for, NOT expect TESO to be changed to a different base vision.

***Nods. I'm quite happy with my Tamriel and where its headed. Hoping the original vision remains intact throughout the tweaks.

anakaki · May 2014

I hit VR 10 a few days ago. Some people will say I rushed, others probably give me a lol for being slow. But this is how long it took me. It took me a month of tedious quest grinding and Ill never do it again. From VR 8 to 10 I grinded WS and if it hadnt been for me really enjoying dungeon encounters I would have cancelled sub a long time ago.

Imo, Craglorn should have been implemented from start. There is no end game currently. Furthermore, this game badly needs battlegrounds, arenas and alike instead of lagging trough cyrodill on a horse. And for .... sake, add xp to PVP.

I hate questing.

Eris · May 2014

So basically this is the argument in a nutshell.

You: I want a raid.
Me: Why?
You: I get tired of doing the same quests over and over again.
Me: So you want to do the same raid over and over again.
You: Yes.
Me: Why?
You: Because I want awesome loot.
Me: Craft it.
You: It's not the same.
Me: How so?
You: I didn't get it in a raid.
Me: Which is basically the same quest over and over again.
You: No, because it's end-game.
Me: Not really, the game isn't ending.
You: End game doesn't mean that.
Me: Um, yeah, that would be the exact definition of end game.
You: No, end game is where you do raids.
Me: Wouldn't that be veteran content.
You: No, because that is for quest bunnies.
Me: Isn't a raid just a really long quest.
You: No, it's end game.
Me: Okay, have fun storming the castle... I'm going back to questing.
You: That's so boring, it's always the same thing.
Me: Um, it's more diverse than a raid which is just one long quest.
You: Your just to stupid to get it.
Me: Okay, whatever you say dude...

Nazon_Katts · May 2014

Eris wrote: »

Me: Okay, whatever you say dude...

That part was correct.

AngryNord · May 2014

killedbyping wrote: »

Well this screenshot doesnt look so well. Level 5 character in Wailing prison ? How and WHY ?!

If you take a long time and fight _every_ mob it is probably possible...

anakaki · May 2014

Eris wrote: »

So basically this is the argument in a nutshell.

You: I want a raid.
Me: Why?
You: I get tired of doing the same quests over and over again.
Me: So you want to do the same raid over and over again.
You: Yes.
Me: Why?
You: Because I want awesome loot.
Me: Craft it.
You: It's not the same.
Me: How so?
You: I didn't get it in a raid.
Me: Which is basically the same quest over and over again.
You: No, because it's end-game.
Me: Not really, the game isn't ending.
You: End game doesn't mean that.
Me: Um, yeah, that would be the exact definition of end game.
You: No, end game is where you do raids.
Me: Wouldn't that be veteran content.
You: No, because that is for quest bunnies.
Me: Isn't a raid just a really long quest.
You: No, it's end game.
Me: Okay, have fun storming the castle... I'm going back to questing.
You: That's so boring, it's always the same thing.
Me: Um, it's more diverse than a raid which is just one long quest.
You: Your just to stupid to get it.
Me: Okay, whatever you say dude...

You don't get it.

Is it that hard to comprehend that some people like different things?
No, questing isn't the same thing as dungeons. And no, your not funny.

Ysne58 · May 2014

AngryNord wrote: »

killedbyping wrote: »

Well this screenshot doesnt look so well. Level 5 character in Wailing prison ? How and WHY ?!

If you take a long time and fight _every_ mob it is probably possible...

Well, I stopped getting experience in the first two areas at level 4 the last time I went through, about a week ago. So it may not be possible anymore.

kirnmalidus · May 2014

Ysne58 wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

killedbyping wrote: »

Well this screenshot doesnt look so well. Level 5 character in Wailing prison ? How and WHY ?!

If you take a long time and fight _every_ mob it is probably possible...

Well, I stopped getting experience in the first two areas at level 4 the last time I went through, about a week ago. So it may not be possible anymore.

The screen shot is clearly from a private testing server Zenimax uses, so I wouldn't get hung up on any of the details in it. I think the best part about that frame of the video is the account names everyone uses. Did anyone else notice the theme?

Arreyanne · May 2014

I just love the raiding community.

They do they same scripted content hour after hour day after day. the NPC"s go through the same combat routine everytime. And all the other BS addons for raiding, they believe they are the Elite portion of the gaming community and nothing else in the game matters except raiding content.

I guess if you can move out of the red circle on the ground when your addon tells you to or heal player 3 when that addons says to you are the elite of the gaming community.

Eris · May 2014

anakaki wrote: »

Eris wrote: »

So basically this is the argument in a nutshell.

You: I want a raid.
Me: Why?
You: I get tired of doing the same quests over and over again.
Me: So you want to do the same raid over and over again.
You: Yes.
Me: Why?
You: Because I want awesome loot.
Me: Craft it.
You: It's not the same.
Me: How so?
You: I didn't get it in a raid.
Me: Which is basically the same quest over and over again.
You: No, because it's end-game.
Me: Not really, the game isn't ending.
You: End game doesn't mean that.
Me: Um, yeah, that would be the exact definition of end game.
You: No, end game is where you do raids.
Me: Wouldn't that be veteran content.
You: No, because that is for quest bunnies.
Me: Isn't a raid just a really long quest.
You: No, it's end game.
Me: Okay, have fun storming the castle... I'm going back to questing.
You: That's so boring, it's always the same thing.
Me: Um, it's more diverse than a raid which is just one long quest.
You: Your just to stupid to get it.
Me: Okay, whatever you say dude...

You don't get it.

Is it that hard to comprehend that some people like different things?
No, questing isn't the same thing as dungeons. And no, your not funny.

That you think I was being funny is in itself amusing.

Speaking of pure game mechanics, how is a raid/dungeon different than any other quest? While hidden behind the title of raid, a raid is nothing more than a weekly.

You could argue that the boss encounters are usually harder and require more strategy, but that is brief and once a solid tactic is developed the raid goes to farm mode and then it is just a weekly.

You could argue that the gear reward is better, but rewards for quests generally reflect the length of time and basic complexity of the quest, so that is also part of the quest mechanic.

You could argue that it requires grouping but Craglorn in general requires grouping, as do many veteran dungeons and some pre-veteran dungeons. Not to mention there is nothing stopping you from grouping the entire game if you keep your characters synced.

So, seriously, how is a raid different mechanically speaking from any other quest. And if it is basically just a long, weekly quest, why rush to get there and get burned out on the same thing when the improvement in level and gear during the 1-50 V1-V10 experience is basically the same thing without being maxed out and going nowhere the whole time.

F7sus4 · May 2014

Multiplicating VR ranks? No!
Multiplicating new game content to play? Yes!

Thechemicals · May 2014

When did people start saying endgame doesnt exist and try to wordsmith its meaning? End game is the final challenges of a game. Its where you get the end game challenge, best of the best, cream of the crop. Its supposed to be hard and with good loot. End game people....end game.

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO · May 2014

I really don't see what the problem is, new content is being released, and instead of hitting a progression wall, they give you the ability to continue to improve. Sounds like a win win. Min/Max is such a generic play style now. It used to be only for hardcore number cruncher, but everyone does it now. They think they are entitled to it. Guess what, most content doesn't require perfect min/max, so perfectionists you can relax on the propaganda campaign.

I like to raid, quest, pvp and sometimes mindless grind. All of these are staples in any mmo, ESO offers them all in the new patch and if they increase the VR cap, hooray. Nobody forces you to purely quest reach cap and then go to the raid zone.

ZiRM · May 2014

They will keep making more VR because they want the people that exploited VR10 to stick around. It's a reward but not to the people that are legit.

frwinters_ESO · May 2014

netsike wrote: »

In the grouping tools video the characters are VR13... And I also read, that the max. is VR20. For me it destroys the game...I would like to reach max level and enjoy the endgame: get a nice gear, than gear sets, refine them to legendary, participate in dungeon or raid runs and when I'm bored of it, roll a new character. But like this:

- I'm just VR6 but I'm already bored of the endless questing
- I don't want to make a new char and try a new class and grind through everything again to reach V10
- It's pointless to craft a legendary armor and use 56 dreugh wax for example for refining .... and a lot of stuff what ppl already complained about.

What's the sense to raise the cap so often? Cause there is no real endgame content? I would stop the cap at V10 and release raids, dungeons with special sets, what ppl can collect together and I would start a token system, cause like this it's kinda pointless to repeat the veteran dungeons... I could write so much about a better endgame... Maybe it's just me, but I really don't like the future plans now.

So because your bored and you dont want new level caps, and you want to sit pretty at end game they should change it?

Sounds reasonable.

*sarcasm*

Nazon_Katts · May 2014

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO wrote: »

Nobody forces you to purely quest reach cap and then go to the raid zone.

Well, that's the crux of the matter. The group and large group content is gated by 50 levels plus 10 VR solo and small group content. It is not available before. At least not to the bulk of the player base.

Instead of adding it on top, they should just make it a part of the existing VR experience, allowing participation right from the first rank. You can still scale the content, so the best, hardest and toughest bits are only reachable at or close to VR10.

If the mentioned changes really do make leveling in dungeons and Cyrodiil a viable option again, this surely lessens the pain of getting to VR10. But this doesn't change the fact that large group content will only be availble to a very select few with the right skill setup, right gear, right people to play with and a certain amount of skill any time sooner.

As if timed trials weren't enough to foster elitism in this game, now you certainly make sure people will feel a very strong need to level all the way through content they don't like - and no matter how good that may be, if your preferences are different, it will still feel like a chore, like a grind.

Myself, I am content with small group content and dungeons, maybe a bit of pvp leveling thrown in and am not really looking forward to raiding. But for anyone who does, I can understand that VR10 seems too far away to finally start with what you like best.

Cogo · May 2014

First of all, So what if there are raids? No one forces you to go?
Oh, you want the same experience as everyone and possible loot from the event? Then go raid? This is part of the open world in ESO CORE. They dont force you to do anything. What you do is up to you.

NEVER have they promised that sitting in a city, doing nothing, will give you the same things as those who are out and battling really hard encounters.

And as @Eris stated, you can even CRAFT gear that is high end. So you don't even need to spend days, maybe weeks, wiping, discussing, planning, evaluating, working as a team in specific ways in order to beat an encounter.

Zenimax created one of the best open choices games ever made. Some people seams to confuse this with everyone can do everything. That is exactly one of the main things ESO is trying hard to get away from. Your choose, you get the effects.

monden1980b16_ESO · May 2014

It already saddened me when hearing that VR 12 will be available... and even more if they keep increasing the cap.

I'm currently VR 2, and I've played a lot since release... my goal was to reach VR10 at some point, get some nice equipment and concentrate on AvA (the main reason I play this game).

I just want to be competitive in AvA, even though I have a real life (job, family, other hobbies). If they really keep increasing the VR cap with every larger content update, I fear I will not be able to catch up und finally loose interest.

Maybe they should include campaigns where a max. VR is allowed, so that people like me (either not enough time to grind VR ranks, or simply just not interested in PvE/raid) a chance to play against even VR players.

Getorix · May 2014

LOL the wow kiddies are having strokes over this.

Azzuria · May 2014

anakaki wrote: »

Eris wrote: »

So basically this is the argument in a nutshell.

You: I want a raid.
Me: Why?
You: I get tired of doing the same quests over and over again.
Me: So you want to do the same raid over and over again.
You: Yes.
Me: Why?
You: Because I want awesome loot.
Me: Craft it.
You: It's not the same.
Me: How so?
You: I didn't get it in a raid.
Me: Which is basically the same quest over and over again.
You: No, because it's end-game.
Me: Not really, the game isn't ending.
You: End game doesn't mean that.
Me: Um, yeah, that would be the exact definition of end game.
You: No, end game is where you do raids.
Me: Wouldn't that be veteran content.
You: No, because that is for quest bunnies.
Me: Isn't a raid just a really long quest.
You: No, it's end game.
Me: Okay, have fun storming the castle... I'm going back to questing.
You: That's so boring, it's always the same thing.
Me: Um, it's more diverse than a raid which is just one long quest.
You: Your just to stupid to get it.
Me: Okay, whatever you say dude...

You don't get it.

Is it that hard to comprehend that some people like different things?
No, questing isn't the same thing as dungeons. And no, your not funny.

Yeah, he does get it. Yeah, people like different things and it seems the 'end game raiders' are the ones who don't understand that entire concept. Questing IS different from dungeons and trials and some people prefer questing and crafting.

And yeah, this is hella funny.

Thechemicals · May 2014

Its not going to be fun to level a character from 1-50 plus 13 levels of veterancy.

veneficus · May 2014

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

It already saddened me when hearing that VR 12 will be available... and even more if they keep increasing the cap.

I'm currently VR 2, and I've played a lot since release... my goal was to reach VR10 at some point, get some nice equipment and concentrate on AvA (the main reason I play this game).

I just want to be competitive in AvA, even though I have a real life (job, family, other hobbies). If they really keep increasing the VR cap with every larger content update, I fear I will not be able to catch up und finally loose interest.

Maybe they should include campaigns where a max. VR is allowed, so that people like me (either not enough time to grind VR ranks, or simply just not interested in PvE/raid) a chance to play against even VR players.

This is a main reason why constantly increasing the VR ranks is a bad idea. For those who want to be competitive in PvP they don't generally want to feel less capable. While there are some who have reached VR 10 I suspect that number is still a small percentage of the population playing. So those who want to PvP and feel capable will never reach the point where they feel they can have a fair chance (one only needs to read the tales of VR10 characters dominating PvP to know that veteran ranks are a problem for PvP balance).

Again if games like City of Heroes can regularly introduce new content, story-arcs and missions without raising the level cap then why can't ESO? Or why can't they slow the raising of the level cap down? The most competitive players with unlimited time on their hands will always chew up any content you release so why punish the majority of the players by always raising the bar before they even come close to reaching it?

Sakiri · May 2014

Getorix wrote: »

LOL the wow kiddies are having strokes over this.

Because wow is the only game where true competitive gaming happens at max level.

Yup.

veneficus · May 2014

Sakiri wrote: »

Getorix wrote: »

LOL the wow kiddies are having strokes over this.

Because wow is the only game where true competitive gaming happens at max level.

Yup.

A blatantly false assumption about everyone who objects. I never played WoW. My first MMO was Ultima Online which I beta tested. For those concerned about PvP balance the possibility of constantly increasing the VR rank cap without concern for first balancing PvP is a valid point of contention.

tawok · May 2014

Silverion wrote: »

Reading this i cannot fail to note that there is a lot of people who play this game in wrong way, this game is really about story and every zone have its main story and a lot of little quests that all wave small details to main zone story, it is well worth to pass slowly, every quest and enjoy a story about ESO world and follow it, as it unravel itself around you.

When i'm with group i go for achievements, or PvP, world boss monsters, public dungeons, dolmens, when im alone there is so much quests that I'm +3 VL above content still having fun and still having challenge to finish most of them.

In any case when I'm not doing group stuff i close Team Speak i set voice and i play quest to LISTEN and get into story, and i really like playing all 3 factions with same toon, understanding how daedric prince wage war against every faction on whole world of Tamriel, see how thousands small quests give you a picture how much suffering he created for people, betrayals, revenges, suicides, loves, divorces, cheating partners, friendship, stupid and/or funny characters all is wowed in a big story about his attack on tamriel and how your heroic actions save small townsfolk and kings alike.

Unfortunately most people get infected with a WOW infection rush to last level and then upgrade your pokemons friends or farmville, while they wait on raid to form to get some "best" gear.

This game is different, one big world you play with ALL your friends on same server, you don't have auction house you have 5 guild banks to sell your stuff, you don't need 20 characters to level for max level, you have one that advance in small way all over.

Mistake that most people do is RUSH over all main quests and content to get levels as fast as possible is dropping your money in hole, you will not see majority of content, returning back and doing quests later after you finish main story will not give you a picture how all this quests in one zone wave IN main story, you will not see how small side quests change main story depending n your actions, and what you will play rushing a game to end is looking at broken mirror, thinking how distorted every small piece is without knowing its proper place in whole story.

IF YOU RUSHED TO MAX LEVEL make a new character and PLAY quests in one zone following a story, doing all side-quests as you find them, LISTEN to story and you will see one totally different picture of whole game.

Here here. I finally stopped to smell the roses in Greenshade, and the whole Wilderking/queen story including the dream sequence was 90% of the fun in that quest. If you skipped the dialogue and story there, I could see a person being very bored indeed.