Veteran Rank 13 confirmed - OMG why? :(

AngryNord · May 2014

Vaerth wrote: »

You play 12 hours a day MINIMUM? Damn dude, get a job, life, or just go outside for a bit! Makes my 1.5 hour nights look well disciplined. There is a real world outside your door, not everything is virtual.

Just for the record, Sakiri isn't a dude :P

Lord_Draevan · May 2014

So is max level with Craglorn gonna be Vet 13, or Vet 20? Cause 13 would just annoy me... uneven number! Gggaaahhh! >_<

Eris · May 2014

I'm sorry, but I hate the idea of (and term in general) of end-game. If you want a game that ends, play monopoly.

AngryNord · May 2014

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

So is max level with Craglorn gonna be Vet 13, or Vet 20? Cause 13 would just annoy me... uneven number! Gggaaahhh! >_<

Unless it has been recently changed, max with Craglorn will be vet 12

Thalmar · May 2014

I really wonder how people will get to VR12 or above if they already finish all quests and have no intention to join PvP or PvE group content since exploring, chests gives no Veteran experience and killing mobs around gives nearly none.

They made the same mistake in Rift. Before they announce Planar Attunement tiers at end-game i was already finished all quests in whole zones. People who were lazy and did nothing had huge advantage over people who finished them already.

I am not playing my main right now, don't want to get to VR10 and finish all quests since it is obvious only hardcore raiders and hardcore PvP players can get to VR12 and above.

ljb2k5_ESO · May 2014

I can't do it. I am VR1 and it isn't the difficulty, I am making my way, but it is that progression (I use that word very loosely in Veteran levels) grinds down to a crawl, and this is my reward? I defeat Molag Bol and I get to feel like I am back at the beginning and no more powerful, but with absolutely no growth left to improve my power? Not that there is much there anyway. The power curve is really shallow in ESO, and like Oblivion, all relevant content and Vet levels pretty much level with you. You never get to where you feel dominant or able to trivialize content, just stay afloat. It all feels like it was a waste of time because there is no reward.

I am used to starting off weak and becoming god slaying powerful, which is basically *spoiler warning* the story here, except I don't feel like it is true. The only reason I feel like my toon even got to fight MB was because of plot devicium from Akatosh. Seriously I have never had an end game toon feel so weak as in ESO, and I can't do it. And the veteran levels feel like a punishment not a reward, but that is what future content is going to be more of?!? The best part of the game was over the fastest, the single player story, the rest pretty much all sucks. No thanks, I am done.

Attorneyatlawl · May 2014

VR is just a small stat cap increase, higher weapon damage, and gear gate. It's not a level really, and the stat deltas are far smaller than normal levels.

Vunter · May 2014

Instead of making a new veteran rank, they should start to make some REAL veteran zones, not freaking recycled stuff!
I enjoyed the game, but when I finished the main story and I discovered this.. Well.. I created another character, but consider that a ragequit >:(

EDIT: With REAL veteran zones I mean zones you can level from vr1 to vr12

Attorneyatlawl · May 2014

Vunter wrote: »

Instead of making a new veteran rank, they should start to make some REAL veteran zones, not freaking recycled stuff!
I enjoyed the game, but when I finished the main story and I discovered this.. Well.. I created another character, but consider that a ragequit >:(

Um, yeah... to anyone playing the game it's new content, not recycled, for a given faction.

And they're coming with Craglorn shortly to help add endgame group PVE activities (2 raids + a bunch of mini-vet dungeons). Add in merchanting and Cyrodiil and there's a lot to do at VR's.

WebBull · May 2014

Raising the cap when the vast majority of players aren't even at the current cap lacks thought. All it is doing is frustrating the players that haven't even hit VR10 yet. Wait until at least the majority hit the current cap before raising it.

Vunter · May 2014

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Vunter wrote: »

Instead of making a new veteran rank, they should start to make some REAL veteran zones, not freaking recycled stuff!
I enjoyed the game, but when I finished the main story and I discovered this.. Well.. I created another character, but consider that a ragequit >:(

Um, yeah... to anyone playing the game it's new content, not recycled, for a given faction. And they're coming with Craglorn shortly to help add endgame group PVE activities (2 raids + a bunch of mini-vet dungeons). Add in merchanting and Cyrodiil and there's a lot to do at VR's.

My plan was creating a char for every faction. I thought that the fact you could go only in certain areas was cool and there was a sort of uniquity of the factions...
Now the only difference between them is the color of the little icon you have on your head in PvP lol.
And Craglorn will be doable only by vr12+ player or so I've heard..
I'll miss a lot of skill point, but I think I'll level my char in Cyrodiil (and I don't think it will be so fast ahah...

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Attorneyatlawl · May 2014

Vunter wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Vunter wrote: »

Instead of making a new veteran rank, they should start to make some REAL veteran zones, not freaking recycled stuff!
I enjoyed the game, but when I finished the main story and I discovered this.. Well.. I created another character, but consider that a ragequit >:(

Um, yeah... to anyone playing the game it's new content, not recycled, for a given faction. And they're coming with Craglorn shortly to help add endgame group PVE activities (2 raids + a bunch of mini-vet dungeons). Add in merchanting and Cyrodiil and there's a lot to do at VR's.

My plan was creating a char for every faction. I thought that the fact you could go only in certain areas was cool and there was a sort of uniquity of the factions...
Now the only difference between them is the color of the little icon you have on your head in PvP lol.
And Craglorn will be doable only by vr12+ player or so I've heard..
I'll miss a lot of skill point, but I think I'll level my char in Cyrodiil (and I don't think it will be so fast ahah... )

I'd disagree except that we can do any race any faction... as-is, I agree with and understand your point there.

OkieDokie · May 2014

Vil wrote: »

OkieDokie wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

I am level 33 and play minimum 12 hours a day. I have yet to have a single SECOND of boredome. I love this game.

That's exactly why you don't get it. You still have good quests to do. Quests at VR1 are, let's say, at least 80% poor plots that give you no desire to go on

This doesn't make much sense, because the VR1+ quests you do are in the other factions, and those quests should be the same quality as the pre vr game.

Except that by the time you reach VR, you've already done fighter guild, mages guild and the main quest and having these quests every couple levels were giving you better plots when you were 1-50. In addition, you didn't really have to go through absolutely everything if you didn't like it and still level up (and eventually you do want to level up).

At VR, as it happens with regular quests from 1-50, there are a few worth doing, but most of them are just poor plots.

For example:

Stonefalls: 69
Deshaan: 59
Shadowfen: 62
Eastmarch: 46
Rift: 48
Coldharbour: 30

So, if we exclude coldharbour as a lot of those quests are related to the main story, we have 284. Lets say we've done at least 250?

Could you list 50 good plots that kept you anxious for the finale? If you say most of the quests are good enough, could you list 125 (50%)? No quest names required, just want to know if you really feel this number of quests have good plots.

I think I could list...maybe...20, certainly not 50.

Don't get me wrong, I'm just trying to explain my opinion, not arguing with you. That's how I feel about the VR content.

Froggmann5 · May 2014

If they never add any more levels, then everyone would get to VR10 and it would get VERY boring. There should be no end game. This is an MMO, not your generic SinglePlayer game.

In two, three months time, everyone will be VR10 except for alts and new starting players. It would drive me mad if it stayed that way for ever.

Maverick827 · May 2014

Froggmann5 wrote: »

If they never add any more levels, then everyone would get to VR10 and it would get VERY boring. There should be no end game. This is an MMO, not your generic SinglePlayer game.

In two, three months time, everyone will be VR10 except for alts and new starting players. It would drive me mad if it stayed that way for ever.

What? The term "end game" applies to MMOs, specifically. There is no "end game" in single player games.

This is a very bad trend the game is taking. You need to give your players a bite of the carrot on the stick very once in a while, you can't just keep extending it farther and father.

epoling · May 2014

I think it is smart to not do the "end game" thing. End game always ends up being a boring grind of the same content day after day after day to get the uber gear. I rarely play my end game characters in EQ2 anymore because it is just too darn boring. Give me new content that keeps my character actually growing instead of just hoping for the right drop off the next boss.

Cogo · May 2014

michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO wrote: »

What is the freaking point of having 50 vet ranks, and 50 cheese-ball ranks.

This is the dumbest game design EVER.

All they had to do is make the first 50 levels a grind. And eliminate vet.

Who thinks up this insanity? A board room full of Tamrielian Moles?

Veteran levels is a sort of idea how Everquest solved their level problems with AA (Alternative advancement). which is one of the best leveling without leveling system still in ANY MMO.

Veterans is not like AA but simular. You keep your level so a level 51 is harder then lvl 50. But I guess veteran levels grants you some kind of rewards/skills?

I disagree with you. Not only is it not a bad design. The WHOLE ESO is a NEW type of MMO which we ALL needed. ESO is a NEW design....which we are part of. It will take time for it to start rolling "good enough".

The WoW style is going one way...the lazy way. There is a gap in the market for progressing and skillbased MMO. ESO is providing exactly that. Players who actually wants to play the game, not grind the game. (There is Beta of Wildstar if you like fast grinding).

ESO is not perfect and got a lot of work to fix/advance/come up with new ideas.

But seriously everyone here. After 1 month, ESO released the patch notes for 1,1, which by far is one, if not THE biggest patch I have ever seen in any MMO. Included in the price mind you.

For those who even bothered to look before you complain, Patch 1.1 deals with a lot of the problems discussed here AND they add things they never told us about. Horse racing anyone? Dyes!?!!?! We gonna see pink wood elves now.

Lighten up, enjoy the game and submit bug reports when you see em and post here if you have ideas or dont like something specific.

These forums have started to look muuuuuuch better after the "free month and my money back WoW players" left.

Can we at least try to discuss matters in a civil or any better way then now. Because I am SURE Zenimax personell are looking at these threads and some might have very good points in them.....but they get drowned in all this "waaaah" Bullkrap.

Lets see after Patch 1.1 AND the one or two emergency hot fixes they have to do because they missed something that some players are abusing, or messed up.

How do I know this? You learn a thing or two after playing MMOs for 15 years.

Cogo · May 2014

Vaerth wrote: »

You play 12 hours a day MINIMUM? Damn dude, get a job, life, or just go outside for a bit! Makes my 1.5 hour nights look well disciplined. There is a real world outside your door, not everything is virtual.

I have a job thank you, but I am way to busy in ESO having more fun I had in years to do much else then work, gym, then ESO. Sleep is for the weak!

I am a very slow leveler. I do not contest that, but I dont joke around when I say I still have not had a single SECOND of boredom in ESO.

Either they are doing something very right, or I am mentaly disturbed.
Both may are correct.

My main point in stating my personal game time is that there is so much to do in this game that it must be near impossible to do all of it and reach highest level. I simply do not believe that. Doing all quests, getting all skyshards and doing all dungeons is 3 things out of at least 20 you can do in ESO.

Sunrock · May 2014

KerinKor wrote: »

netsike wrote: »

Maybe it's just me, but I really don't like the future plans now.

At first sight I'm the same. Given VR11-VR12 content is group-only I fear this means ESO is to become a 1990s group-or die affair.

I miss the group or die philosophy from the early MMOs. Recent MMOs have becomes MSO more then MMO and I play MMOs for the massive multiplayer not for the massive singler player....

All the casual solo players can go and play Skyrim for all I care.

Cogo · May 2014

epoling wrote: »

I think it is smart to not do the "end game" thing. End game always ends up being a boring grind of the same content day after day after day to get the uber gear. I rarely play my end game characters in EQ2 anymore because it is just too darn boring. Give me new content that keeps my character actually growing instead of just hoping for the right drop off the next boss.

Ever played EQ1? If not, shut up.

Glog · May 2014

I dont mind increase in levels, tho it does seem abit early to drop that in. As if its just to keep the OCD guys busy. ^_^

Enkil · May 2014

tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »

Raising the cap when the vast majority of players aren't even at the current cap lacks thought. All it is doing is frustrating the players that haven't even hit VR10 yet. Wait until at least the majority hit the current cap before raising it.

/agree

People have been complaining that VR1 - 10 is a boring grind. The logical thing would be to introduce Craglorn as an alternative to that grind and design it for VR1-10.

Sunrock · May 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

No dueling

... lack of any real AH

No underwater swimming

Difficult to play in groups.

Bad LFG system

This 5 points you list are either really no issue at all and listed under "who the F cares" or just not true at all. The LFG tools work grate and there is no difficulty at all to play in groups.

ChairGraveyard · May 2014

Yes let's just go shitting on the game two months after release brilliant plan.

Enkil wrote: »

tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »

Raising the cap when the vast majority of players aren't even at the current cap lacks thought. All it is doing is frustrating the players that haven't even hit VR10 yet. Wait until at least the majority hit the current cap before raising it.

/agree

People have been complaining that VR1 - 10 is a boring grind. The logical thing would be to introduce Craglorn as an alternative to that grind and design it for VR1-10.

+1 for an actual good idea.

Silverion · May 2014

Reading this i cannot fail to note that there is a lot of people who play this game in wrong way, this game is really about story and every zone have its main story and a lot of little quests that all wave small details to main zone story, it is well worth to pass slowly, every quest and enjoy a story about ESO world and follow it, as it unravel itself around you.

When i'm with group i go for achievements, or PvP, world boss monsters, public dungeons, dolmens, when im alone there is so much quests that I'm +3 VL above content still having fun and still having challenge to finish most of them.

In any case when I'm not doing group stuff i close Team Speak i set voice and i play quest to LISTEN and get into story, and i really like playing all 3 factions with same toon, understanding how daedric prince wage war against every faction on whole world of Tamriel, see how thousands small quests give you a picture how much suffering he created for people, betrayals, revenges, suicides, loves, divorces, cheating partners, friendship, stupid and/or funny characters all is wowed in a big story about his attack on tamriel and how your heroic actions save small townsfolk and kings alike.

Unfortunately most people get infected with a WOW infection rush to last level and then upgrade your pokemons friends or farmville, while they wait on raid to form to get some "best" gear.

This game is different, one big world you play with ALL your friends on same server, you don't have auction house you have 5 guild banks to sell your stuff, you don't need 20 characters to level for max level, you have one that advance in small way all over.

Mistake that most people do is RUSH over all main quests and content to get levels as fast as possible is dropping your money in hole, you will not see majority of content, returning back and doing quests later after you finish main story will not give you a picture how all this quests in one zone wave IN main story, you will not see how small side quests change main story depending n your actions, and what you will play rushing a game to end is looking at broken mirror, thinking how distorted every small piece is without knowing its proper place in whole story.

IF YOU RUSHED TO MAX LEVEL make a new character and PLAY quests in one zone following a story, doing all side-quests as you find them, LISTEN to story and you will see one totally different picture of whole game.

Hornex · May 2014

Dita wrote: »

I couldn't agree more ! Almost word for word, what I wrote not so long ago, sorry for a copy/paste.
I'm VR6 and bored out of my mind now, can't even get alts - because I already went trough the majority of the quest for alternative faction. Logging now only to feed a horse.
When started - easy 4/5 almost 5/5.
Bots, bugs, repetitiveness of the quests, very, very, very, very poor customer service, all this in sum - turned me away from the game.

Customer service was awesome each time I used it. Quick response, was surprising.

Sanguinantis · May 2014

VR 20? Would be cool!
I am VR8 right now and it won't take me long to get to 10.

What shall i do then? Sure, i still need to do the last Cadwells Quests.
And what comes after that? Maybe PVP, ok, why not!

But seriously, it would become boring after a while when the only thing left to do would be PVP!

Guys, this game is out since aprox 1 Month. And many already approaching the Endcontent!

I welcome the new Content and the VR Ranks!

Greets

Audigy · May 2014

Thalmar wrote: »

I really wonder how people will get to VR12 or above if they already finish all quests and have no intention to join PvP or PvE group content since exploring, chests gives no Veteran experience and killing mobs around gives nearly none.

They made the same mistake in Rift. Before they announce Planar Attunement tiers at end-game i was already finished all quests in whole zones. People who were lazy and did nothing had huge advantage over people who finished them already.

I am not playing my main right now, don't want to get to VR10 and finish all quests since it is obvious only hardcore raiders and hardcore PvP players can get to VR12 and above.

Nope this isn't how it works. You have quest´s and events at Craglorn too, if you do those you gain VR´s as well.

Sunrock wrote: »

KerinKor wrote: »

netsike wrote: »

Maybe it's just me, but I really don't like the future plans now.

At first sight I'm the same. Given VR11-VR12 content is group-only I fear this means ESO is to become a 1990s group-or die affair.

I miss the group or die philosophy from the early MMOs. Recent MMOs have becomes MSO more then MMO and I play MMOs for the massive multiplayer not for the massive singler player....

All the casual solo players can go and play Skyrim for all I care.

Its not so much about group or solo, its about how you can do those things. Accessibility is more important, than pure existence.

If you have a system like at WoW, where you are left out in the dark if you cant join a guild or a premade in general, then this is bad design.

A lot of people who raid or do group content always assume that those who dont, want to play solo. But the truth is, most players wouldn't mind joining a group, its just that they can not commit to fixed schedules or are afraid of Elitism.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · May 2014

ignore this post, i had more than one thread open and replied on teh wrong one

concobar · May 2014

Nidwin wrote: »

dps42514 wrote: »

How are people getting to these levels so quickly? it's taken me 3 weeks to get to level 27 and I play 15 hours a day.

Because they are PROs brah.
You and me are noobs, terribads, zerglings and we're told to go back playing WoW.

That's why they're VR10 and you level27 and me level43.

Pro izzzzzz Pro!

I just did every quest and side quest I ran across and played way to many hours each day.