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Is ZOS throttling back progress?

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So I watched on YouTube from a content creator I follow that ZOS is throttling back the progress from the PC NA server and the other more populated servers and throttling up the progress on lower population servers for the Writhing wall event.

Is this true?

If true why would you do that? The event is not a fun experience, and to make your players efforts mean less is infuriating to say the least on top of the frustrating game experience this event and the combat animations has currently made this game for your players.
  • allochthons
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    I don't know.
    But I don't think so. ZoS did adjust the progress early, and announced it. I would hope they would also announce any new adjustments.
    Also, there have been a lot of posts here about how unhappy PC-NA specifically is about this event, and that they simply aren't doing it, so the bar isn't progressing much. Posters claim both their guilds and zone chat support this.

    Just my guess/opinions. I'm not checking the bars every day, but they all seem to be progressing 5-6 points a day?
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  • SeaGtGruff
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    Each server has a different target number based on some data we are not privy to-- such as the number of active accounts on that server-- so the progress is determined by how many "event points" are earned by the server's population by completing the repeatable event quests, where there are a possible 6 * 4 = 24 "event points" per day per character per account per server.

    We don't know what the target numbers are, but it would clearly be unfair to set the same exact target numbers for all servers if they don't have the same number of active players, because then the server with the largest number of players participating in the event would be guaranteed to win the race. It needs to be scaled according to each server's population.

    "Scaled" is not the same thing as "throttled."

    There seem to be a lot of players who are pushing the conspiracy theory that ZOS is deliberately holding back PCNA, because it is apparently the only way they can believe that PCNA isn't making as much progress as other servers.

    Yet it is clear from reading these forums and watching streamers that a lot of players are not participating in this event. Their reasons are their own, and it doesn't really matter why they aren't participating. It's like any other event where each individual player may or may not choose to participate due to how interested they are in the event, or how badly they want the potential rewards and are willing to grind for those rewards. For instance, no one is required to participate in Whitestrake's Mayhem, and if a given player chooses not to participate in Whitestrake's Mayhem for whatever reason then that is their right and their business. And the same is true with this event-- some players have stated that they aren't participating, and that's their right.

    We don't need to resort to conspiracy theories to explain why all of the servers aren't progressing at equal rates, and it isn't doing anyone any good to push those conspiracy theories.
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  • MorallyBipolar
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    Marketing and public relations.

    They need the various platforms to complete the event and it's stages at roughly the same time, so they make adjustments to the scale of the project according to players on that platform.

    Could you imagine the PR nightmare if any one or all platforms just got tired of the grind and gave up so the event never ended? This is how we know there is no reason to do the grind. It'll all be completed in the end one way or another so we can move on to the next stages and complete the event.
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    I think it would be amusing to see what happens if everyone stops doing the event quests. I'm betting the progress bar would still continue moving forward.
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  • tinythinker
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    Didn't PCNA jump ahead yesterday?
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  • Kelenan7368
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    Marketing and public relations.

    They need the various platforms to complete the event and it's stages at roughly the same time, so they make adjustments to the scale of the project according to players on that platform.

    Could you imagine the PR nightmare if any one or all platforms just got tired of the grind and gave up so the event never ended? This is how we know there is no reason to do the grind. It'll all be completed in the end one way or another so we can move on to the next stages and complete the event.

    But didn't they put out that it was a contest between servers to see which 1 could complete it 1st? I believe they did.

    Correct me if I'm wrong.
  • Maitsukas
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    Didn't PCNA jump ahead yesterday?

    Not according to the website:
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  • twisttop138
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    Marketing and public relations.

    They need the various platforms to complete the event and it's stages at roughly the same time, so they make adjustments to the scale of the project according to players on that platform.

    Could you imagine the PR nightmare if any one or all platforms just got tired of the grind and gave up so the event never ended? This is how we know there is no reason to do the grind. It'll all be completed in the end one way or another so we can move on to the next stages and complete the event.

    But didn't they put out that it was a contest between servers to see which 1 could complete it 1st? I believe they did.

    Correct me if I'm wrong.

    They did, yes. Just that some of us believe they had a winner picked before hand. One that would be advantageous PR wise. That it would be an embarrassment to them if a server didn't participate so they're meddling with the numbers to keep things on track. Them doing this in the opening hours of phase 1 and again later on didn't win them any good will. I happen to not believe that they are singling out pcna. Just that they want an Xbox to win and everyone loves an underdog story, so Xbox EU pulls victory from the jaws of defeat despite a lower population. Plays well right? I think we'll all get into phase 3 within a day of each other.

    You can choose not to believe this, of course. I think everyone's opinion should be respected.
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    Marketing and public relations.

    They need the various platforms to complete the event and it's stages at roughly the same time, so they make adjustments to the scale of the project according to players on that platform.

    Could you imagine the PR nightmare if any one or all platforms just got tired of the grind and gave up so the event never ended? This is how we know there is no reason to do the grind. It'll all be completed in the end one way or another so we can move on to the next stages and complete the event.

    But didn't they put out that it was a contest between servers to see which 1 could complete it 1st? I believe they did.

    Correct me if I'm wrong.

    They did, yes. Just that some of us believe they had a winner picked before hand. One that would be advantageous PR wise. That it would be an embarrassment to them if a server didn't participate so they're meddling with the numbers to keep things on track. Them doing this in the opening hours of phase 1 and again later on didn't win them any good will. I happen to not believe that they are singling out pcna. Just that they want an Xbox to win and everyone loves an underdog story, so Xbox EU pulls victory from the jaws of defeat despite a lower population. Plays well right? I think we'll all get into phase 3 within a day of each other.

    You can choose not to believe this, of course. I think everyone's opinion should be respected.

    Except that both PS servers have kicked it into gear, and PSEU is now in the lead with PSNA quickly catching up to XBEU.
    Edited by DenverRalphy on November 11, 2025 5:51PM
  • Carcamongus
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    I don't believe the claims the devs want the Xbox servers to win because of Microsoft, nor that they have something against PC/NA "winning". However, it's not a conspiracy theory that the percentage meters aren't tied solely to our efforts, as we've seen with numbers suddenly jumping. If our efforts aren't the only thing pushing the numbers, then it isn't absurd to doubt the progress meter or question what the point is of enduring this boring grind if in the end ZOS will have to unlock the content for which we paid anyway.
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  • DoofusMax
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    Didn't PCNA jump ahead yesterday?

    Probably depends on how you're defining "jumped", but PC NA has been moving up by a couple or three percent per day of late and the current progress more or less comports with that. I don't think PC NA has been in the lead since ZOS changed how progress would be calculated on the various servers.
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    Anyone who’s played both Xbox NA & EU, can tell you that EU is a dead server.

    There is no legitimate way, that they would be winning this competition if everyone counted for the same value.
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    ^ It would also not look good if Xbox EU had to wait a whole year to complete the event as the same few people run their dailies every day trying to unlock what they paid for.
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    Maitsukas wrote: »
    Didn't PCNA jump ahead yesterday?

    Not according to the website:
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    Ah, I was apparently looking here instead: https://eso-hub.com/en/events/writhing-wall-event

    (The ESO Hub Tracker was showing PCNA as over 60% yesterday and most of today, but it's now in line with the official ZOS tracker.)
    Edited by tinythinker on November 11, 2025 10:22PM
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  • duagloth
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    Certainly not jumping in here too say they're not
  • moderatelyfatman
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    Marketing and public relations.

    They need the various platforms to complete the event and it's stages at roughly the same time, so they make adjustments to the scale of the project according to players on that platform.

    Could you imagine the PR nightmare if any one or all platforms just got tired of the grind and gave up so the event never ended? This is how we know there is no reason to do the grind. It'll all be completed in the end one way or another so we can move on to the next stages and complete the event.

    It would be funny if we had unplanned maintenance on PCNA and the rankings still shot up because nobody told the people in charge.
  • code65536
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    So I watched on YouTube from a content creator I follow that ZOS is throttling back the progress from the PC NA server and the other more populated servers and throttling up the progress on lower population servers for the Writhing wall event.

    Is this true?

    If true why would you do that? The event is not a fun experience, and to make your players efforts mean less is infuriating to say the least on top of the frustrating game experience this event and the combat animations has currently made this game for your players.

    No. The progress is not a measure of absolute numbers, since if that were the case, the PC servers would have large population advantages. The progress has always been about the participation rate within each server. If 50% of PC/NA is doing the event while 60% of PS/EU is doing the event, they'll progress faster even if, in absolutely numbers, 50% of PC/NA is much higher than 60% of PS/EU.

    So, no, they're not throttling. This is just a measure of the relatively lower level of interest on PC/NA, which is not surprising. I play on both PC/NA and PC/EU, and the attitudes I see on PC/NA are generally more negative than what I see on PC/EU.

    In any case, what does it matter if PC/NA is slower? Most people I know don't care that we're "losing". (And maybe that's the reason that we are. LOL)
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  • Gabriel_H
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    So I watched on YouTube from a content creator I follow that ZOS is throttling back the progress from the PC NA server and the other more populated servers and throttling up the progress on lower population servers for the Writhing wall event.

    Is this true?

    If true why would you do that? The event is not a fun experience, and to make your players efforts mean less is infuriating to say the least on top of the frustrating game experience this event and the combat animations has currently made this game for your players.

    This is true of every community event, in every MMO, ever. Devs have a timeframe in mind. They will tweak compeltion rates to ensure that timeframe is met.
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    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Anyone who’s played both Xbox NA & EU, can tell you that EU is a dead server.

    There is no legitimate way, that they would be winning this competition if everyone counted for the same value.

    THIS ^^^

    The most dead servers are leading in progress lmao..

    Can only be related to scaling or whatever
  • KalevaLaine
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    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Anyone who’s played both Xbox NA & EU, can tell you that EU is a dead server.

    There is no legitimate way, that they would be winning this competition if everyone counted for the same value.

    THIS ^^^

    The most dead servers are leading in progress lmao..

    Can only be related to scaling or whatever

    Yeah in the german forum a CM told that the progress depends on general popoulation.
    Edited by KalevaLaine on November 12, 2025 2:01PM
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  • twisttop138
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    Marketing and public relations.

    They need the various platforms to complete the event and it's stages at roughly the same time, so they make adjustments to the scale of the project according to players on that platform.

    Could you imagine the PR nightmare if any one or all platforms just got tired of the grind and gave up so the event never ended? This is how we know there is no reason to do the grind. It'll all be completed in the end one way or another so we can move on to the next stages and complete the event.

    But didn't they put out that it was a contest between servers to see which 1 could complete it 1st? I believe they did.

    Correct me if I'm wrong.

    They did, yes. Just that some of us believe they had a winner picked before hand. One that would be advantageous PR wise. That it would be an embarrassment to them if a server didn't participate so they're meddling with the numbers to keep things on track. Them doing this in the opening hours of phase 1 and again later on didn't win them any good will. I happen to not believe that they are singling out pcna. Just that they want an Xbox to win and everyone loves an underdog story, so Xbox EU pulls victory from the jaws of defeat despite a lower population. Plays well right? I think we'll all get into phase 3 within a day of each other.

    You can choose not to believe this, of course. I think everyone's opinion should be respected.

    Except that both PS servers have kicked it into gear, and PSEU is now in the lead with PSNA quickly catching up to XBEU.

    I've been known to be wrong many times in my life. If I am wrong about this, that is actually the best possible outcome. I don't have much faith in Zos this year, it's been a disappointment of a year but I'll be the first to say, if I'm wrong about this then mea culpa.

    Edit. To be clear, I mean the thought that they picked Xbox as a winner due to MS. I still don't see how anyone can look at this and think Zos doesn't have a finger on the scale to make things wrap up at the appointed time and to fiddle with numbers to prevent embarrassment if people just stopped doing it, not to mention people already clamoring for the content they paid for.
    Edited by twisttop138 on November 12, 2025 2:22PM
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    Marketing and public relations.

    They need the various platforms to complete the event and it's stages at roughly the same time, so they make adjustments to the scale of the project according to players on that platform.

    Could you imagine the PR nightmare if any one or all platforms just got tired of the grind and gave up so the event never ended? This is how we know there is no reason to do the grind. It'll all be completed in the end one way or another so we can move on to the next stages and complete the event.

    But didn't they put out that it was a contest between servers to see which 1 could complete it 1st? I believe they did.

    Correct me if I'm wrong.

    They did, yes. Just that some of us believe they had a winner picked before hand. One that would be advantageous PR wise. That it would be an embarrassment to them if a server didn't participate so they're meddling with the numbers to keep things on track. Them doing this in the opening hours of phase 1 and again later on didn't win them any good will. I happen to not believe that they are singling out pcna. Just that they want an Xbox to win and everyone loves an underdog story, so Xbox EU pulls victory from the jaws of defeat despite a lower population. Plays well right? I think we'll all get into phase 3 within a day of each other.

    You can choose not to believe this, of course. I think everyone's opinion should be respected.

    Except that both PS servers have kicked it into gear, and PSEU is now in the lead with PSNA quickly catching up to XBEU.

    PSNA was actually tied with PCEU as well at one point in 4th place. I made a thread about it at the time. I don't know if anyone's noticed any massive adjustments since then but I haven't seen such a thing discussed anywhere. I also genuinely did see more PSNA players participating once Witches Festival started. So, IDK
    Edited by spartaxoxo on November 12, 2025 2:24PM
  • Gabriel_H
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    Marketing and public relations.

    They need the various platforms to complete the event and it's stages at roughly the same time, so they make adjustments to the scale of the project according to players on that platform.

    Could you imagine the PR nightmare if any one or all platforms just got tired of the grind and gave up so the event never ended? This is how we know there is no reason to do the grind. It'll all be completed in the end one way or another so we can move on to the next stages and complete the event.

    But didn't they put out that it was a contest between servers to see which 1 could complete it 1st? I believe they did.

    Correct me if I'm wrong.

    They did, yes. Just that some of us believe they had a winner picked before hand. One that would be advantageous PR wise. That it would be an embarrassment to them if a server didn't participate so they're meddling with the numbers to keep things on track. Them doing this in the opening hours of phase 1 and again later on didn't win them any good will. I happen to not believe that they are singling out pcna. Just that they want an Xbox to win and everyone loves an underdog story, so Xbox EU pulls victory from the jaws of defeat despite a lower population. Plays well right? I think we'll all get into phase 3 within a day of each other.

    You can choose not to believe this, of course. I think everyone's opinion should be respected.

    Except that both PS servers have kicked it into gear, and PSEU is now in the lead with PSNA quickly catching up to XBEU.

    PSNA was actually tied with PCEU as well at one point in 4th place. I made a thread about it at the time. I don't know if anyone's noticed any massive adjustments since then but I haven't seen such a thing discussed anywhere. I also genuinely did see more PSNA players participating once Witches Festival started. So, IDK

    If your reference was the website, the PCNA number was bugged. Don't know if they have fixed that yet.
    Edited by Gabriel_H on November 12, 2025 4:01PM
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    This should be a community event, not a competition. The progress of all the servers should be combined as we all work toward the same goal. I personally couldn't care less who "wins". I just want the content I paid for.
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    I have never been so glad as I am now that I did not purchase the season pass or whatever it's called. Solstice or whatever.
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    PCNA is always 24 points behind XBOX EU in our tracking.
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