Weapon Stances? Roll back please.

Atharti · October 28

Im really sorry but new weapon stances are crazy, especialy for resto staff and lightning staff. Whats happening with legs here? And the back looks weird. Right arm?

Why so spread? Where is that left leg going?
Can we get old stanses please? Thank you.

Atharti · October 28

Character is also twitching on one place:

colossalvoids · October 28

There's more issues, quite a few abilities aren't transitioning right into each other or bar swapping correctly with jittering and unnatural twitching and limbs behaving not right. Lower body movements changed quite a lot usually, not matching the speed or not giving correct limb behaviour overall. @ZOS_Kevin
It was reported on PTS since September, nothing was done essentially.

meekmiko · October 28

It's horrid.

I fear that it won't be reverted like so many of the bad animation changes tho.

Gabriel_H · October 28

Atharti wrote: »

Character is also twitching on one place:

Pre-Battle jitters

ZOS_Kevin · October 28

colossalvoids wrote: »

There's more issues, quite a few abilities aren't transitioning right into each other or bar swapping correctly with jittering and unnatural twitching and limbs behaving not right. Lower body movements changed quite a lot usually, not matching the speed or not giving correct limb behaviour overall. @ZOS_Kevin
It was reported on PTS since September, nothing was done essentially.

The team is looking at this now to make adjustments. But we have let them know this is an issue.

whitecrow · October 28

Atharti wrote: »

Character is also twitching on one place:

It has always been like this. It's probably meant to emulate the fact that one can not stand perfectly stock still, certainly not for any period of time.

Sly80 · October 28

Not sure if it is related but I play immersive first-person and, since the update, when I cast my spam scribed skill, it puts me out into third-person to show the casting, which is really jarring. It only seems to happen with the Elemental explosion skill.

Destai · October 28

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

There's more issues, quite a few abilities aren't transitioning right into each other or bar swapping correctly with jittering and unnatural twitching and limbs behaving not right. Lower body movements changed quite a lot usually, not matching the speed or not giving correct limb behaviour overall. @ZOS_Kevin
It was reported on PTS since September, nothing was done essentially.

The team is looking at this now to make adjustments. But we have let them know this is an issue.

I think a lot of us are genuinely curious and concerned about the PTS feedback not being actioned here. I'm not trying to be adversarial here, but why wasn't the PTS feedback actioned? To me, it makes more sense to fix things before they're live than after. Just from my experience. Can you please get us an answer on that?

Apollosipod · October 28

We're the stances only changed for staves or do these animation changes affect all of the weapon lines

(I'm a console peasant)

colossalvoids · October 28

Apollosipod wrote: »

We're the stances only changed for staves or do these animation changes affect all of the weapon lines

(I'm a console peasant)

There are major issues with 2h and DW base animations (stance, light and heavy attacks and transitions) and skill lines but it extends to class/non class skills also, not all of them luckily but quite a few depending on how picky you are.

acastanza_ESO · October 28

Destai wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

There's more issues, quite a few abilities aren't transitioning right into each other or bar swapping correctly with jittering and unnatural twitching and limbs behaving not right. Lower body movements changed quite a lot usually, not matching the speed or not giving correct limb behaviour overall. @ZOS_Kevin
It was reported on PTS since September, nothing was done essentially.

The team is looking at this now to make adjustments. But we have let them know this is an issue.

I think a lot of us are genuinely curious and concerned about the PTS feedback not being actioned here. I'm not trying to be adversarial here, but why wasn't the PTS feedback actioned? To me, it makes more sense to fix things before they're live than after. Just from my experience. Can you please get us an answer on that?

This is the crazy part for me; like, ZOS was absolutely made aware of these issues with more than enough time to address it, either by not pushing the changes yet (again) or making pre-release adjustments (considering how light this patch cycle was...)

Gabriel_H · October 28

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

There's more issues, quite a few abilities aren't transitioning right into each other or bar swapping correctly with jittering and unnatural twitching and limbs behaving not right. Lower body movements changed quite a lot usually, not matching the speed or not giving correct limb behaviour overall. @ZOS_Kevin
It was reported on PTS since September, nothing was done essentially.

The team is looking at this now to make adjustments. But we have let them know this is an issue.

I think a lot of us are genuinely curious and concerned about the PTS feedback not being actioned here. I'm not trying to be adversarial here, but why wasn't the PTS feedback actioned? To me, it makes more sense to fix things before they're live than after. Just from my experience. Can you please get us an answer on that?

This is the crazy part for me; like, ZOS was absolutely made aware of these issues with more than enough time to address it, either by not pushing the changes yet (again) or making pre-release adjustments (considering how light this patch cycle was...)

ZOS don't take PTS feedback unless you are a known "content creator".

karthrag_inak · October 28

whitecrow wrote: »

Atharti wrote: »

Character is also twitching on one place:

It has always been like this. It's probably meant to emulate the fact that one can not stand perfectly stock still, certainly not for any period of time.

That little "jump" reflects breaks in the animation/ IK. That has not always been there. That needs to go, tbh, that looks awful.

Gabriel_H · October 28

karthrag_inak wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

Atharti wrote: »

Character is also twitching on one place:

It has always been like this. It's probably meant to emulate the fact that one can not stand perfectly stock still, certainly not for any period of time.

That little "jump" reflects breaks in the animation/ IK. That has not always been there. That needs to go, tbh, that looks awful.

The little jump is the gif looping

MashmalloMan · October 28

What a great time to take a break... thank you to the patient few who continue to alpha test this 18 year old game. I expect more and I suppose that's on me, but nearly 2 decades of developement time would make you think things like this shouldn't happen anymore.

Gabriel_H wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

There's more issues, quite a few abilities aren't transitioning right into each other or bar swapping correctly with jittering and unnatural twitching and limbs behaving not right. Lower body movements changed quite a lot usually, not matching the speed or not giving correct limb behaviour overall. @ZOS_Kevin
It was reported on PTS since September, nothing was done essentially.

The team is looking at this now to make adjustments. But we have let them know this is an issue.

I think a lot of us are genuinely curious and concerned about the PTS feedback not being actioned here. I'm not trying to be adversarial here, but why wasn't the PTS feedback actioned? To me, it makes more sense to fix things before they're live than after. Just from my experience. Can you please get us an answer on that?

This is the crazy part for me; like, ZOS was absolutely made aware of these issues with more than enough time to address it, either by not pushing the changes yet (again) or making pre-release adjustments (considering how light this patch cycle was...)

ZOS don't take PTS feedback unless you are a known "content creator".

Epic is a "known" creator that not only left a detailed comment covering all the problems, he made an edited video with side by side comparisons. It did jack, all they took from his comments was "polymorphs are showing the old animations" and "playstation controllers have double input again, causing crashing."

The only reason this made it to live was because U48 PTS had near 0 participation, the negative feedback may have appeared as a vocal minority vs the usual 30-50 page threads arguing about some controversial changes that did get walked back like some of U35 and cast times for shields.

Basically, you want change, you need to yell loud enough while the change is relevant or look forward to waiting years on any amount of progress while ZOS moves on to the next project they'll manage to only develop 80% of.

karthrag_inak · October 28

Gabriel_H wrote: »

karthrag_inak wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

Atharti wrote: »

Character is also twitching on one place:

It has always been like this. It's probably meant to emulate the fact that one can not stand perfectly stock still, certainly not for any period of time.

That little "jump" reflects breaks in the animation/ IK. That has not always been there. That needs to go, tbh, that looks awful.

The little jump is the gif looping

Oh, bright moons. Khajiit was barely able to restrain furry projectiles when he saw that.

Gabriel_H · October 28

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Epic is a "known" creator that not only left a detailed comment covering all the problems, he made an edited video with side by side comparisons. It did jack, all they took from his comments was "polymorphs are showing the old animations" and "playstation controllers have double input again, causing crashing."

You are making my point for me.

Fischblut · October 29

I didn't have problems with stances/light attack animations before, and I do not have problems with those now. I only really noticed Restoration staff stance change personally

I am still testing lot of subclassing combos, and I've decided to turn my Warden healer into tank. So I logged in with him to transfer healer gear to bank, and then I saw his epic new stance:

...Ok, he's staying as healer if he will look like this with his Resto staff

Old resto staff pose for reference:

It looked ok, but nowhere near as epic as it's now, for my taste.

Old destruction staff pose (it's either lightning or frost):

New (the angle is not the same, so I can't tell the difference at all):

My main character is dual-wield enjoyer for many years, and I honestly like both poses.
Old:

New:

Team of adventurers with old poses (inferno staff on my character) for historic reference:

When my character wants to look different in idle stance, Maniacal Jester personality also delivers:

Ragnarok0130 · October 29

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

There's more issues, quite a few abilities aren't transitioning right into each other or bar swapping correctly with jittering and unnatural twitching and limbs behaving not right. Lower body movements changed quite a lot usually, not matching the speed or not giving correct limb behaviour overall. @ZOS_Kevin
It was reported on PTS since September, nothing was done essentially.

The team is looking at this now to make adjustments. But we have let them know this is an issue.

Kevin if they listened to the PTS they wouldn’t have to “look into it” because they showed with video evidence that the animations were causing issues and shouldn’t go live but here we are yet again with another change that players not only did not want but showed was detrimental. What is going on over at ZOS/Micorsoft?.

Nemesis7884 · October 29

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

There's more issues, quite a few abilities aren't transitioning right into each other or bar swapping correctly with jittering and unnatural twitching and limbs behaving not right. Lower body movements changed quite a lot usually, not matching the speed or not giving correct limb behaviour overall. @ZOS_Kevin
It was reported on PTS since September, nothing was done essentially.

The team is looking at this now to make adjustments. But we have let them know this is an issue.

Kevin if they listened to the PTS they wouldn’t have to “look into it” because they showed with video evidence that the animations were causing issues and shouldn’t go live but here we are yet again with another change that players not only did not want but showed was detrimental. What is going on over at ZOS/Micorsoft?.

why have a pts if no feedback is ever looked at until after implementation and everyone complains...this just continues to deteriorate zos reputation

Morvan · October 29

Honestly, the PTS feels like a waste of resources on ZOS’s end and a waste of time for players at this point. If feedback is going to be ignored and broken features are pushed through anyway, why even ask for feedback? What’s the point of a test server if our input only matters when it happens to align with what’s already planned?

You guys wanted this animation change for reasons that, of course, remain a mystery thanks to the usual stellar communication. If there’s an actual a good reason we have no clue. You asked for feedback, everyone testing said it was broken and should be delayed/rolled back, and now here we are, playing with broken animation changes that we never asked for.

If the older consoles are struggling with the game, why not make this change only for those devices? Or at the very least, give everyone a setting to stick with the original animations — after all, they’re still in the game, still usable on polymorphs.

Animations are client-sided, so the servers are not affected by it. Make these changes a video options on the settings. Soooo many ways to get around it and we always pick the route that leaves everyone frustrated.

Illmatic · October 30

So ok i'm not mad...
I've been staring at my screen for 10 minutes, thinking, "Something has changed in the characters' poses, but I can't figure out what."

Haki_7 · October 30

Please allow us to pay for the original, unflamboyant weapon stances.

colossalvoids · October 30

Love the subtle attention to details in the rework: bare hand transitional idle is a bow stance, chefkiss.

Apollosipod · October 30

I've personally wanted additional weapon stances for years, but the issue is that they shouldn't overwrote what already exists in the game. I truly believe the combat stances and animations need a refresh, but more in terms of character customizations that you can select like a recall animation or personality change. Overwriting the existing animations and ignoring feedback from the PTS about them causing issues is NOT what I want to see