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There is someone selling other peoples house builds for tens and hundreds of millions of gold.
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Vraedlich✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »It is cheating if a player steals another player's build and passes it off as their own. Especially if they enter it in a contest.
If you're making a house for a contest however, you get to choose how private it is, you can deny people access at all until the contest, so that's quite safe.Edited by Vraedlich on September 28, 2025 3:13AM1 -
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✭✭SilverBride wrote: »
If one was able to restrict addons to only allow copying a player's own house, not others', it seems to be the fairest solution. Copying your own house is a useful feature, but I agree others should not be able to copy yours. Definitely not without your permission anyway.5 -
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Northwold✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This really should not still be happening and should be made explicitly against the TOS.3 -
arena25✭✭✭✭✭If OP is describing the same person that I am thinking of, he was also banned from one of the guild communities I am a part of for poaching, for scamming, and for violation of other guild-specific rules. Said community also received way too many reports from other communities of potential scamming...most related to housing, some not...to the point keeping him around was going to be way too much of a liability.
What OP is describing may not necessarily violate ToS, but the way he has conned folks over and over again and finding creative ways to circumvent rules (albeit the vast majority of them guild-specific ones) meant to protect folks over the past several months is definitely not cool and should at least get him a stern talking to from ZOS.If you can't handle the heat...stay out of the kitchen!5 -
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✭ToddIngram wrote: »This isn't about being able to steal builds, it's about being able to use addons to cheat.
Cheat? At housing?
Copying without permission is tacky for sure, but it's not cheating.
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Vulkunne✭✭✭✭✭
✭This isn't about being able to steal builds, it's about being able to use addons to cheat.
It's one thing to hire like someone else to professionally decorate your 'house'. Those services themselves (from other players) can go for 10s of millions.
But that is a legitimate business.
That's another reason why this is so bad, because like other parasites irl you have agencies out there spitefully exploiting the creativity, time and hard work put in by potentially many others who created the original work and giving back no credit, compensation or acknowledgement for it. It plays against the very system so thoughtfully put into place by ZOS to allow for those things in the first place.
Maybe it is just a game, maybe we shouldn't care this much but if nothing else, understand that there are those out there who do care with bad intentions and personally I'd rather get shade thrown on me for caring than sit in wonder and disbelief at what some people are capable of. Protecting the things that matter to you is reason enough for doing in and of itself.Edited by Vulkunne on September 28, 2025 5:26PMPerhaps this is where a ronin such as you belongs. Today, Victory is mine. Long Live the Empire.2 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »It is cheating if a player steals another player's build and passes it off as their own. Especially if they enter it in a contest.
If you're making a house for a contest however, you get to choose how private it is, you can deny people access at all until the contest, so that's quite safe.
What if they copy someone else's older build and enter that?Edited by SilverBride on September 28, 2025 5:34PMPCNA2 -
ApoAlaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It should be possible to code at API level that copying the layout of a house one's account does not have the entitlement to requires the consent of the account holder with the entitlement.
Or make it part of the game itself that only accounts with 'decorator' permissions can actually determine the type and coordinates of non-interactable furnishings.
Personally I prefer not to outright disallow where there is the possibility of 'explicit consent' resolving the matter.
Edited by ApoAlaia on September 29, 2025 8:37AM0 -
twisttop138✭✭✭✭Well, idk about the copying thing. As an artist I use reference material for my flash sheets and other stuff I draw. I really don't see a problem with copying the bones of something as long as you make it your own in the end but this doesn't seem like that. Looks like a 1 for 1. To sell it to folks seems a bit odd to me, but that's a personal thing, I also don't believe in selling or buying carries. Idk what a solution is, but it doesn't look like there is one.
While mead hall definitely isn't my thing for a build, I think it looks great. Definitely a home I'd love to visit. Not to copy, but if someone has a deadric shrine....😜0 -
Koshka✭✭✭✭✭It doesn't make sense to me that we can block things like turning the lights on and off, but cannot block the inspect mode. In my opinion it should not be available in the limited visitor mode.1 -
Koshka✭✭✭✭✭twisttop138 wrote: »Well, idk about the copying thing. As an artist I use reference material for my flash sheets and other stuff I draw. I really don't see a problem with copying the bones of something as long as you make it your own in the end but this doesn't seem like that. Looks like a 1 for 1. To sell it to folks seems a bit odd to me, but that's a personal thing, I also don't believe in selling or buying carries. Idk what a solution is, but it doesn't look like there is one.
While mead hall definitely isn't my thing for a build, I think it looks great. Definitely a home I'd love to visit. Not to copy, but if someone has a deadric shrine....😜
People are not complaining about refs, inspiration or selling house designer services. There is an addon that allows you to fully copy the entire build and someone apparently copies and sells other people's builds. It's like if someone offers commissions and gives their clients random pics from artstation. And there is a solution - just remove this addon feature for anyone without decorator permissions.Edited by Koshka on September 29, 2025 12:27PM1 -
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✭How do you sell/buy someones house build? Is there an addon for that?
Since the introduction of Inspect mode in the houses. Each player can check the furnishing's name and such. Regardless of your permissions, limited visitor, visitor or editor.
I believe in the process you can access to additional data such as, furnishing's X/Y/Z coordinates and orientations for each axis. This essentially pinpoints the location of the said furnishing in the said housing instance.
Then i guess current API allows addons to store this information for each furnishing in the housing instance. Essentially allowing you to copy and paste the entire house.Edited by Treeshka on September 29, 2025 1:19PM2 -
MreeBiPolar✭✭✭✭✭How do you sell/buy someones house build? Is there an addon for that?
Since the introduction of Inspect mode in the houses. Each player can check the furnishing's name and such. Regardless of your permissions, limited visitor, visitor or editor.
I believe in the process you can access to additional data such as, furnishing's X/Y/Z coordinates and orientations for each axis. This essentially pinpoints the location of the said furnishing in the said housing instance.
Then i guess current API allows addons to store this information for each furnishing in the housing instance. Essentially allowing you to copy and paste the entire house.
I think the main question was not how it is done from technical point of view, but how would he prevent someone else from just copying that build for naught, too...0 -
Koshka✭✭✭✭✭MreeBiPolar wrote: »How do you sell/buy someones house build? Is there an addon for that?
Since the introduction of Inspect mode in the houses. Each player can check the furnishing's name and such. Regardless of your permissions, limited visitor, visitor or editor.
I believe in the process you can access to additional data such as, furnishing's X/Y/Z coordinates and orientations for each axis. This essentially pinpoints the location of the said furnishing in the said housing instance.
Then i guess current API allows addons to store this information for each furnishing in the housing instance. Essentially allowing you to copy and paste the entire house.
I think the main question was not how it is done from technical point of view, but how would he prevent someone else from just copying that build for naught, too...
It was not possible until they've added inspection mode. A logical way to fix it would be to disable this option at least for limited guests.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MreeBiPolar wrote: »How do you sell/buy someones house build? Is there an addon for that?
Since the introduction of Inspect mode in the houses. Each player can check the furnishing's name and such. Regardless of your permissions, limited visitor, visitor or editor.
I believe in the process you can access to additional data such as, furnishing's X/Y/Z coordinates and orientations for each axis. This essentially pinpoints the location of the said furnishing in the said housing instance.
Then i guess current API allows addons to store this information for each furnishing in the housing instance. Essentially allowing you to copy and paste the entire house.
I think the main question was not how it is done from technical point of view, but how would he prevent someone else from just copying that build for naught, too...
It was not possible until they've added inspection mode. A logical way to fix it would be to disable this option at least for limited guests.
That, or only allow the owner to copy. Then if someone wanted the build, the owner would have to go to their house and build it. They could then either offer it for free or charge something if they like. I realize the addon does not seem to be supported anymore so this may not be possible, but I think it would be the best option.
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onyxorb✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »ToddIngram wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »It is cheating if a player steals another player's build and passes it off as their own. Especially if they enter it in a contest.
If only people would take the state of the actual game with the same level of seriousness we'd be so much better off.
Housing is part of the actual game. Having concerns about it are just as important as any other concerns.
Nod, ZOS themselves are pretty much putting a lot of weight into the Housing aspect of the game doing the heavy lifting since so many other parts seem to have issues right now.
So it's not much for us to ask that they restrict the portion of the API that displays furnishing IDs and locations to 'just' be for the owner of the home. It's not something a guest ever needs to see. It's more than just people copying builds, it even ruins contest that people hold in their homes since you can't 'hide' anything anymore.
PS There are other addons other than EHT that let you save the furnishing information from homes. Since it's an API thing that's where it needs to be addressed.2 -
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✭✭I am bothered by this especially for housing contests. For example, I can't participate in official housing contests by ZOS, because my country is not on their list. So, I would be quite annoyed to find out that someone participated in the contest with my build. Besides, there are plenty of housing contests in guilds and between housing guilds, where this could become an issue.
Anyway, this is not good news for the housing community!
Since houses are creations, this situation is similar to what happens on the internet where people feel free to copy someone else's artwork, posts, videos or any digital content that might be of use to them.
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