i think the cat's out of the bag and there's no going back.

that said, i hate the idea that we'll never get a new class, because with subclassing, that idea seems dead. so, if we had to do it all over again, i'd say no to subclassing and yes to a new class, but i just think it's too late

CoronHR wrote: »

i think the cat's out of the bag and there's no going back.

that said, i hate the idea that we'll never get a new class, because with subclassing, that idea seems dead. so, if we had to do it all over again, i'd say no to subclassing and yes to a new class, but i just think it's too late

What exactly is the logic that subclassing means no new classes? That doesn't add up.

CoronHR wrote: »

i think the cat's out of the bag and there's no going back.

that said, i hate the idea that we'll never get a new class, because with subclassing, that idea seems dead. so, if we had to do it all over again, i'd say no to subclassing and yes to a new class, but i just think it's too late

I'm not on the "we'll never get a new Class" train yet, but then again that is what I want most in the game. I am feeling super pessimistic about it happening anytime soon though. I was hoping we would get another by the big U50 we'll see next summer, but I'm betting that they're going to use that patch for "Cyrodiil updates!" (aka replacing half of the existing Campaigns with Vengeance) and "Overland difficulty!" (aka a self-nerf slider that turns enemies into damage sponges and gives you a wet noodle to attack with) instead.

I do think that Subclassing actually makes it easier to add more Classes - at this point, a new Class doesn't need to come with more character slots so they don't have to free that space for it. After all, players who choose not to make a brand new character then have three extra skill lines they could trade out at will. There are still plenty of places they could go with new classes, and a lot of hotly requested things.

And logistically, every DLC Class has to be bought with real money, either with a Chapter/Pass purchase or a la carte with Crowns. And if there are any questions as to whether it would sell... well, how many players do you see with beams nowadays? After the incredibly light year of content that was 2025, they really need to give players a reason to spend money next year and a Class would do it.

And besides, what kind of a final number is 7 in the first place? Everything in game runs in multiples of 4. If nothing else, we need a new Class to make the character creation screen look less unbalanced.

But yes, I do think a new Class would be a hard sell considering how the balance is. Logically, the Combat team wouldn't want to add anything new until balance is in a better state... but the Combat team hasn't exactly been acting he most logically lately. They might just say "screw it, let's just toss something else in there!" Not to mention that a new Class would also need to get a matching Companion (for Bahtra to reference in the Subclass quest, if nothing else) and a new Class Script effect and a new set of Class sets in the Archive (and the associated styles, but those should absolutely all be made available for all Classes already...)

As to the topic: I can't give an answer since removing it will never happen. Ever. If I were in charge, I definitely would have done it differently from the start, but now all ZOS can do is try to balance it (which they may want to start doing instead of spending the entirety of the time ignoring balance to make Vengeance a new thing). I'm sure they thought that it would be as big for ESO as 1T was, and we can see a lot of the solo players are super happy about it... but evidently ZOS had no clue that the rest of the playerbase would not think Subclassing was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and they did not foresee that dropping a year of content where the only new thing was "you can now delete all of your alts and merge them all into one!" would drive a lot of resentment and exodus. And I'm sure the big layoffs aren't helping keep morale up, and then their analytics are showing that ESO is not booming and all of their Content Creators are either leaving or posting content along the lines of "why everything is bad now."

This is a prime example of why "we can't wait to show you what's coming" is not a good strategy, since by the time they announce it, it's too late to fix anything at a base level... which means instead of being able to please all of your customers, you end up really making one group happy while driving off another group. Every one of the sweeping updates they've done like Hybridization, Account-wide Achievements, and now Subclassing has come up with a huge feedback thread on the PTS with two major groups that aren't necessarily opposing, but have very different goals... but the change is just pushed through and with zero regard to the concerns of one of those groups.

Ah well, I'll just keep praying to every Divine that they are secretly working on an Artificer class and we'll eventually get to see an 8th set of skill lines. I really enjoy the new character creation process and I would like a reason to see the updated tutorial and updated starter zones already, and I don't want to just come in and see the same skills I've already played with but just in a different order. I want something new.

My frustration with Subclassing is that I spent years developing alts, despite wanting to ONLY play my main character… because I wanted to experience the entirety of the game.

Subclassing opened the door for people that prefer an alt-less playstyle, and my only problem is it took them this long to decide to open those doors.

No, it should stay.

Should it be iterated and issues be addressed? Absolutely, I'm certain it can be improved in various ways.

I’m having fun using jabs on my Sorc, and the Nightblade invisibility has made all the tedious stealth quests much less tedious.

Biased poll is biased

I think that three months after the release of the multiclass, it’s already pointless to ask for feedback on it. At this point, you need to look at the numbers, and rely only on them.
Feedback should have been asked for before release, at release, maybe a couple of weeks after release. After almost four months, everyone who didn’t like it has already had time to leave.

The problem with asking for feedback long after release is that those who don’t like it have already had the time to move on to another game. So you can be sure – only the satisfied audience remains, and they will give positive feedback.

What else can be looked at is the topic made BEFORE the multiclass announcement, where people discussed the problems they wanted addressed. And such a topic did exist.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/672718/dev-team-request-a-top-5-list-of-bugs-and-pain-points-you-would-like-addressed/p1

I said this back during the PTS. Should've been limited to just one skill line.

It should have been limited to one skill line. We would still have balance issues, but it would have been easier to balance.

Additionally, it would have retained a sliver of class identity at least. When I subclassed only one line, I still felt like a sorcerer, but now I'm trying out a second subclassed line (which I'm not enjoying and cannot wait to drop), I feel like a mishmash of skill lines. Sure I could make up some kind of story for myself, but it still feels like a mishmash of abilities.

no lol.
it is not happening regardless of any polls.

i do not think we needed another poll about something that is very unlikely to ever happen.
Per usual with polls, these poll options should have just been a simple Yes, No, Other.

edited to add:
i voted for No, because that's my response. i do not see any problems with Subclassing.
And whilst i do "think it's better if it stays", i do not believe it matters whether i think that or not as i do not believe Subclassing will be removed.

Class skill line balance issues were there before Subclassing and would have been there even if it did not get added.
Participate in the recent Class survey zos posted, it seems useful!
https://beth.games/48vEBIP

yes, please!

I enjoy subclassing but the elephant in the room is its negative effects on pure builds. I still enjoy pure builds as well as scribing (which now seems to have been relegated to the dust bin of history). ZOS's planning seems to jump around like a frog on a hot frying plan.

I think it's too late to roll back but should be adjusted so single classes can still be viable