BretonMage wrote: »It should have been limited to one skill line. We would still have balance issues, but it would have been easier to balance.
Additionally, it would have retained a sliver of class identity at least. When I subclassed only one line, I still felt like a sorcerer, but now I'm trying out a second subclassed line (which I'm not enjoying and cannot wait to drop), I feel like a mishmash of skill lines. Sure I could make up some kind of story for myself, but it still feels like a mishmash of abilities.
i think the cat's out of the bag and there's no going back.
i just think it's too late
PDarkBHood wrote: »Also, don't forget (most of you need constant reminding), you do not have to subclass any of your characters if you do not want to. It is a choice, your choice to subclass.
PDarkBHood wrote: »Subclassing has been one of the best additions to the game, a real game changer. I am almost finished leveling up my new Frost Mage, really enjoying it. I just wish we had more Armory slots. I am at 10 right now and I need at least 10 more for all the subclassing plans I have. Please give us more Armory slots!!
Also, don't forget (most of you need constant reminding), you do not have to subclass any of your characters if you do not want to. It is a choice, your choice to subclass.
StihlReign wrote: »Let's see...ESO right? Let's power this up, login...ah here we are. Play how you want. Oh, what's this (J) QUEST JOURNAL. Nice. Hmm, Achievements, ah Leaderboards - well that seems fun. Let's take a look. OH, ok. well wow.
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Geez. Ok. Sensing a theme here...but let's move on. Hey guys wanna group up? Do some dungeons? What do you guys need me to...
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Well this seems a bit bit disturbing, Zos can you address this, oh, OH, nice there's something in the works? So you're balancing? No, not exactly?
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Leaderboards
Leaderboards are now Account based (except Cyrodiil boards for now). This means that you will only have 1 entry per leaderboard, and it will be the highest score for the associated activity. Class specific leaderboards have been removed. With this change, the number of people per leaderboard can be adjusted based on feedback. So please make sure to provide any thoughts on this.
tomofhyrule wrote: »PDarkBHood wrote: »Also, don't forget (most of you need constant reminding), you do not have to subclass any of your characters if you do not want to. It is a choice, your choice to subclass.
Also, don't forget (most of you need constant reminding), if you choose not to Subclass, you have significantly less power and you are not going to effectively contribute to your group in endgame PvE or PvP and will be excluded.
spartaxoxo wrote: »tomofhyrule wrote: »PDarkBHood wrote: »Also, don't forget (most of you need constant reminding), you do not have to subclass any of your characters if you do not want to. It is a choice, your choice to subclass.
Also, don't forget (most of you need constant reminding), if you choose not to Subclass, you have significantly less power and you are not going to effectively contribute to your group in endgame PvE or PvP and will be excluded.
That's only true of the highest of the high end players. You go into a PUG or more casual guild group and the pure class player is not automatically less effective than the subclassed one.
I would rollback classes.
That way subclassing wouldn't even be a thing anymore - anyone could choose any skill line to equip, mix and match how they like.
Further more: Zos could add new skill lines without worrying of creating a theme for 3 lines at a time.
spartaxoxo wrote: »tomofhyrule wrote: »PDarkBHood wrote: »Also, don't forget (most of you need constant reminding), you do not have to subclass any of your characters if you do not want to. It is a choice, your choice to subclass.
Also, don't forget (most of you need constant reminding), if you choose not to Subclass, you have significantly less power and you are not going to effectively contribute to your group in endgame PvE or PvP and will be excluded.
That's only true of the highest of the high end players. You go into a PUG or more casual guild group and the pure class player is not automatically less effective than the subclassed one. Plenty of those also don't exclude people for not swapping.
Meta pushing guilds obviously require meta pushing but they're not how the general playerbase operates or experiences the game. They're an elite few.
tomofhyrule wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »tomofhyrule wrote: »PDarkBHood wrote: »Also, don't forget (most of you need constant reminding), you do not have to subclass any of your characters if you do not want to. It is a choice, your choice to subclass.
Also, don't forget (most of you need constant reminding), if you choose not to Subclass, you have significantly less power and you are not going to effectively contribute to your group in endgame PvE or PvP and will be excluded.
That's only true of the highest of the high end players. You go into a PUG or more casual guild group and the pure class player is not automatically less effective than the subclassed one. Plenty of those also don't exclude people for not swapping.
Meta pushing guilds obviously require meta pushing but they're not how the general playerbase operates or experiences the game. They're an elite few.
…so “oh, their experiences don’t matter because they do high-level content?” Do you realize how toxic that sounds?
How would your experience be different if Subclassing were balanced? People who don’t do high-level content could still build however they want, but then the people who do play high-level content would also be able to. It’s not like it has to be one or the other.