Vengeance test key metric - player interest

JustLovely · September 12

aetherix8 wrote: »

AngryPenguin wrote: »

And PvE'rs aren't victims in this. The PvP players are.

Oh my goodness. So the discussion completely degenerated into let's screw the PvEers and "we are victims".

Obviously, legit points are out of stock for now. We've basically covered it all it seems, both in favor and against, and we're now at a stage of some very sophisticated mental acrobatics to come up with a delirium tremens level of an "argument".

See y'all after run3 when we have actual valid points to discuss again.

What is your legit and valid point in this post I quoted? I happen to know that there are a lot of reasons to distrust ZOS' motives and intentions with vengeance. Just because you disagree with those reasons doesn't mean they are not legitimate.

JustLovely · September 12

Muizer wrote: »

Brian had a few words about the goal of Vengeance.

"The goal has always been to get Cyrodiil to what it should always have been, which is massive PvP warfare in a war zone of 3 alliances and we're trying to navigate the best way for this to happen"

As far as the devs are concerned, Vengeance is the new branch of PvP development. I suppose the current one may stick around as a legacy feature for a while.

Everything ZOS is doing with vengeance appears to be with the intention of making it the only option at some point in the future. They even went as far as to post a deceptive poll to misrepresent the popularity of vengeance after the first test. When they talk about vengeance they don't talk about it like it's a test. They talk about it like they are planning to replace current live cyrodiil with vengeance. That was the case again today during the live stream. They don't talk about it or deal with vengeance as though it's just a test.

aetherix8 · September 12

JustLovely wrote: »

aetherix8 wrote: »

AngryPenguin wrote: »

And PvE'rs aren't victims in this. The PvP players are.

Oh my goodness. So the discussion completely degenerated into let's screw the PvEers and "we are victims".

Obviously, legit points are out of stock for now. We've basically covered it all it seems, both in favor and against, and we're now at a stage of some very sophisticated mental acrobatics to come up with a delirium tremens level of an "argument".

See y'all after run3 when we have actual valid points to discuss again.

What is your legit and valid point in this post I quoted? I happen to know that there are a lot of reasons to distrust ZOS' motives and intentions with vengeance. Just because you disagree with those reasons doesn't mean they are not legitimate.

aetherix8 wrote: »

@MincMincMinc

There are many valid arguments indeed; you mention some, but your list isn't exhaustive.

Anyways, I was referring to the "PvE should get its own Vengeance testing" posts.

These aren't even arguments against Vengeance test, and those who suggest some PvE performance tests should open a dedicated thread, as it doesn't add anything constructive to the discussion about PvP performance tests.

xR3ACTORx · September 12

I'm not raging. I'm amused. Helldivers 2 is a good game.

As an Xbox EU player I can only laugh about making cyro a massive pvp warzone. How about a server merge before dreaming of that?

Someone asked for specific reason why people dislike vengeance instead of just stating they dislike it.

Here's mine:

Its boring, it's slow, and it's even more easier for me to kill people im vengeance. Too easy.

Don't make yourself illusions.
A skilled regular cyro player will wipe players in vengeance as well.

In the meantime I am putting my subscription on hold.

I mean why even paying for a dead server and a pvp test I am not interested in?

Muizer · September 12

JustLovely wrote: »

When they talk about vengeance they don't talk about it like it's a test. They talk about it like they are planning to replace current live cyrodiil with vengeance.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive. The reason they stress Vengeance is a test is to reassure people they are not dealing with the final product but an iteration. This is a novel approach for ZOS so that is why they stressed it. You are right there is absolutely nothing in what they do or say that suggests the aim of the test is to learn things to improve current Cyrodiil". That's just something some people assumed would be the point. If you let go of that (unfounded) assumption, it's really pretty obvious and transparent where this is headed.