Muizer wrote: »

Brian had a few words about the goal of Vengeance.

"The goal has always been to get Cyrodiil to what it should always have been, which is massive PvP warfare in a war zone of 3 alliances and we're trying to navigate the best way for this to happen"

As far as the devs are concerned, Vengeance is the new branch of PvP development. I suppose the current one may stick around as a legacy feature for a while.

Everything ZOS is doing with vengeance appears to be with the intention of making it the only option at some point in the future. They even went as far as to post a deceptive poll to misrepresent the popularity of vengeance after the first test. When they talk about vengeance they don't talk about it like it's a test. They talk about it like they are planning to replace current live cyrodiil with vengeance. That was the case again today during the live stream. They don't talk about it or deal with vengeance as though it's just a test.

I'm not raging. I'm amused. Helldivers 2 is a good game.

As an Xbox EU player I can only laugh about making cyro a massive pvp warzone. How about a server merge before dreaming of that?

Someone asked for specific reason why people dislike vengeance instead of just stating they dislike it.

Here's mine:

Its boring, it's slow, and it's even more easier for me to kill people im vengeance. Too easy.

Don't make yourself illusions.
A skilled regular cyro player will wipe players in vengeance as well.

In the meantime I am putting my subscription on hold.

I mean why even paying for a dead server and a pvp test I am not interested in?

JustLovely wrote: »

Iriidius wrote: »

JustLovely wrote: »

Darethran wrote: »

aetherix8 wrote: »

I did benefit from those tests that led to no-proc RW - it resulted in a new player friendly environment to learn pvp and I was able to improve, although not as far as I would like to because it got aborted.

Am I the only one who thinks vengeance tests are radically different from other tests that zos have run in the past?

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No you're not, it's just the outspoken few who want to continue dominating a small number of players with silly broken sets & skills (always the new stuff that came with the latest DLC...) don't want that changed.

As someone who has played on/off since 2016 ZoS has done nothing like this with PvP before. I'm still so thirsty for third vengeance now that I got a taste of what PvP could have been all these years.

It's not "the outspoken few who want to continue dominating a small number of players...." That's what players who don't want to tackle the huge learning curve that is Cyrodiil PvP like to cry about. I agree it's a lot different than PvE, but it's supposed to be. There is supposed to be a skill gap. The daily PvP main players are supposed to be better and stronger than the "on and off" players such as yourself.

ZOS is going to lose most of the PvP vets if they mandate vengeance mode, and the PvE mains are not going to backfill the losses. Vengeance will be the end of Cyrodiil PvP for the most part. At least your admitting that you're only an off and on player. Those of us that PvP every day and that's what we log in to play will not play vengeance in any iteration.

The daily PvP players should be better than „on and off“ players by making better incombat decisions not by having better stats.
If you swap their accounts than you also swap their strength.

Not true.

Part of the skill gap in PvP comes from learning how to make strong builds and play to that builds strengths. It's not just get a couple OP sets and you automatically win....as the PvE mains keep saying is the only trick to being successful in Cyrodiil. Those that say the only trick is to get OP sets are saying that they don't PvP or understand the system as it's set up.

Most PvPers don‘t make their builds themself but get them from youtube, website or friends. Sure you have to know how to use them but the build source will probably explain that too and not all builds require actions that you wouldnt do in combat anyway.

If you are testing builds very often you will come to the conclusion you should have just taken the metamost build immediately. Even if you do not understand how exactly itis so strong you could still find out how to use it correctly

Wretchet Vitality or Rallyng Cry get procced automatically when using armor buff, R Vigor or Healing soul.
Pariah, orders wrath and oakfather don’t require activation at all and torc of ayleidking let you ignore managing and theorycrafting sets completely but requires long grind. Trouble is to get everything not to use it.