tomofhyrule wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

A name change to play Crossplay seems like a tiny problem

To some people. Just like losing individual character progress to combine achievements seems like a small thing.

And to others, it’s a gamebreaking issue.

Shouldn’t things be done to impact the fewest people possible? It may take a bit of extra work, but knowingly causing a bunch of your players to leave is probably not the optimal solution.

I dont think if a few players need to change name would cause alot leaving the game.

The News about Crossplay would probably do the opposite and bring in alot of new excitement and returning/new players.

I understand some would hate to change name but I still see that as a tiny problem contra the good things.

XSTRONG wrote: »

A name change to play Crossplay seems like a tiny problem

As some people have said, only to people who don't have attachments to the name of the characters they have. Or people who REALLY want crossplay.

For me? I wouldn't mind crossplay, but I am not really that interested in it. Depending on what servers are able to crossplay it might be interesting to 'meet' some of the people I have seen/talked to in the forums, but other than that, not much would be different for me.

My characters, on the other hand, have been with me since about 2005 or so. They were companion characters a friend and I created for our main characters in Morrowind, and I have since lost touch with that friend. She really helped me open up and be less anxious about posting online and it was fun talking to her.

So, to honor that memory and because I liked the characters and the names, I use the names of the two characters when I can.

Unless it just happens to be her who is using the name of the characters, I wouldn't want to have to change my character names, because they happened to see the name once and liked it (and the chances of them coming up with the *specific* names seem slim to me, though anything is possible) and they just happen to do whatever action on ESO that gives them priority in naming.

Do I think that crossplay will require name changes? I doubt it, especially since many people have expressed concerns and since there are other ways that things like this could be handled.

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

It would also depend on whether the person who is forced to have a name change wanted crossplay to begin with. If they didn't, then even if they aren't particularly attached to the character name, it can still be an extra annoyance for something they don't care about at all.

This is where I'm at. There have been too many features that I didn't care about that ended up taking things away from my characters in the process. Such as account wide achievements, and the BIG one (subclassing) that has had a very negative effect on all my characters that were nerfed and left as weaker versions of what they once were... all for something that I did not want and refuse to give my class identity up for.

My characters' identities are very important to me, and their names are a big part of that.

XSTRONG wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

A name change to play Crossplay seems like a tiny problem

To some people. Just like losing individual character progress to combine achievements seems like a small thing.

And to others, it’s a gamebreaking issue.

Shouldn’t things be done to impact the fewest people possible? It may take a bit of extra work, but knowingly causing a bunch of your players to leave is probably not the optimal solution.

I dont think if a few players need to change name would cause alot leaving the game.

The News about Crossplay would probably do the opposite and bring in alot of new excitement and returning/new players.

I understand some would hate to change name but I still see that as a tiny problem contra the good things.

Oh, you mean like how the news of “use any skills you want without class restrictions!” totally brought all those people back to the game and nobody is feeling like Subclassing was poorly implemented?
…Or did they think it would go like that, release it as is, and then have to post a whole “how did you feel about U46?” thread when that magic solution failed to get back to 2020 numbers?

Look: you don’t see it as an issue. You want crossplay more than having consistency in your virtual dolls’ names. You think other people are blowing things out of proportion. You see only positives from adding crossplay. And there are people who agree with you.

Is it so hard to fathom that there are people who don’t share your view? Would if really affect you if they actually took all of their players into consideration and set up crossplay in such a way as to not alienate some of their base?

fizzybeef wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

A name change to play Crossplay seems like a tiny problem

To some people. Just like losing individual character progress to combine achievements seems like a small thing.

And to others, it’s a gamebreaking issue.

Shouldn’t things be done to impact the fewest people possible? It may take a bit of extra work, but knowingly causing a bunch of your players to leave is probably not the optimal solution.

I dont think if a few players need to change name would cause alot leaving the game.

The News about Crossplay would probably do the opposite and bring in alot of new excitement and returning/new players.

I understand some would hate to change name but I still see that as a tiny problem contra the good things.

Oh, you mean like how the news of “use any skills you want without class restrictions!” totally brought all those people back to the game and nobody is feeling like Subclassing was poorly implemented?
…Or did they think it would go like that, release it as is, and then have to post a whole “how did you feel about U46?” thread when that magic solution failed to get back to 2020 numbers?

Look: you don’t see it as an issue. You want crossplay more than having consistency in your virtual dolls’ names. You think other people are blowing things out of proportion. You see only positives from adding crossplay. And there are people who agree with you.

Is it so hard to fathom that there are people who don’t share your view? Would if really affect you if they actually took all of their players into consideration and set up crossplay in such a way as to not alienate some of their base?

I mean you also dont respect other peoples wishes, because you are against it. You cant please everyone, thats the first thing you got to accept.

…

From a previous quote from myself

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I do hope some form of crossplay does come for the benefit of all. But ZOS will have to essentially rebuild a lot of the character data at the bottom of the spaghetti code to get it to work, and I hope that doesn’t take away from releasing new content.

Hmm… seems you think “I hope we get crossplay” is being against crossplay??? Or do you just see someone arguing a point and immediately thinking they’re 100% your enemy without reading their point?

Why does crossplay have to involve scooping names from others? Wouldn’t it be better to… do it in a way that doesn’t encroach on others? And then everyone could be happy instead of just some people?

tomofhyrule wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

A name change to play Crossplay seems like a tiny problem

To some people. Just like losing individual character progress to combine achievements seems like a small thing.

And to others, it’s a gamebreaking issue.

Shouldn’t things be done to impact the fewest people possible? It may take a bit of extra work, but knowingly causing a bunch of your players to leave is probably not the optimal solution.

I dont think if a few players need to change name would cause alot leaving the game.

The News about Crossplay would probably do the opposite and bring in alot of new excitement and returning/new players.

I understand some would hate to change name but I still see that as a tiny problem contra the good things.

Oh, you mean like how the news of “use any skills you want without class restrictions!” totally brought all those people back to the game and nobody is feeling like Subclassing was poorly implemented?
…Or did they think it would go like that, release it as is, and then have to post a whole “how did you feel about U46?” thread when that magic solution failed to get back to 2020 numbers?

Look: you don’t see it as an issue. You want crossplay more than having consistency in your virtual dolls’ names. You think other people are blowing things out of proportion. You see only positives from adding crossplay. And there are people who agree with you.

Is it so hard to fathom that there are people who don’t share your view? Would if really affect you if they actually took all of their players into consideration and set up crossplay in such a way as to not alienate some of their base?

I dont really know why you are arguing with me?

I only answered the poll and wrote my thoughts "what I think" i didnt say everyone thinks so, if you think otherwise im fine with that. End of conversation

tomofhyrule wrote: »

fizzybeef wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

A name change to play Crossplay seems like a tiny problem

To some people. Just like losing individual character progress to combine achievements seems like a small thing.

And to others, it’s a gamebreaking issue.

Shouldn’t things be done to impact the fewest people possible? It may take a bit of extra work, but knowingly causing a bunch of your players to leave is probably not the optimal solution.

I dont think if a few players need to change name would cause alot leaving the game.

The News about Crossplay would probably do the opposite and bring in alot of new excitement and returning/new players.

I understand some would hate to change name but I still see that as a tiny problem contra the good things.

Oh, you mean like how the news of “use any skills you want without class restrictions!” totally brought all those people back to the game and nobody is feeling like Subclassing was poorly implemented?
…Or did they think it would go like that, release it as is, and then have to post a whole “how did you feel about U46?” thread when that magic solution failed to get back to 2020 numbers?

Look: you don’t see it as an issue. You want crossplay more than having consistency in your virtual dolls’ names. You think other people are blowing things out of proportion. You see only positives from adding crossplay. And there are people who agree with you.

Is it so hard to fathom that there are people who don’t share your view? Would if really affect you if they actually took all of their players into consideration and set up crossplay in such a way as to not alienate some of their base?

I mean you also dont respect other peoples wishes, because you are against it. You cant please everyone, thats the first thing you got to accept.

…

From a previous quote from myself

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I do hope some form of crossplay does come for the benefit of all. But ZOS will have to essentially rebuild a lot of the character data at the bottom of the spaghetti code to get it to work, and I hope that doesn’t take away from releasing new content.

Why does crossplay have to involve scooping names from others? Wouldn’t it be better to… do it in a way that doesn’t encroach on others? And then everyone could be happy instead of just some people?

But whooooo said it will make that thing with the names ? Only the thread creator brought that up, literally nobody else 😂

tomofhyrule wrote: »

fizzybeef wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

fizzybeef wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

A name change to play Crossplay seems like a tiny problem

To some people. Just like losing individual character progress to combine achievements seems like a small thing.

And to others, it’s a gamebreaking issue.

Shouldn’t things be done to impact the fewest people possible? It may take a bit of extra work, but knowingly causing a bunch of your players to leave is probably not the optimal solution.

I dont think if a few players need to change name would cause alot leaving the game.

The News about Crossplay would probably do the opposite and bring in alot of new excitement and returning/new players.

I understand some would hate to change name but I still see that as a tiny problem contra the good things.

Oh, you mean like how the news of “use any skills you want without class restrictions!” totally brought all those people back to the game and nobody is feeling like Subclassing was poorly implemented?
…Or did they think it would go like that, release it as is, and then have to post a whole “how did you feel about U46?” thread when that magic solution failed to get back to 2020 numbers?

Look: you don’t see it as an issue. You want crossplay more than having consistency in your virtual dolls’ names. You think other people are blowing things out of proportion. You see only positives from adding crossplay. And there are people who agree with you.

Is it so hard to fathom that there are people who don’t share your view? Would if really affect you if they actually took all of their players into consideration and set up crossplay in such a way as to not alienate some of their base?

I mean you also dont respect other peoples wishes, because you are against it. You cant please everyone, thats the first thing you got to accept.

…

From a previous quote from myself

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I do hope some form of crossplay does come for the benefit of all. But ZOS will have to essentially rebuild a lot of the character data at the bottom of the spaghetti code to get it to work, and I hope that doesn’t take away from releasing new content.

Why does crossplay have to involve scooping names from others? Wouldn’t it be better to… do it in a way that doesn’t encroach on others? And then everyone could be happy instead of just some people?

But whooooo said it will make that thing with the names ? Only the thread creator brought that up, literally nobody else 😂

And who said it won’t be a name problem?

The thing is that we don’t know how it will turn out. All we can say is that if they do crossplay by simply combining servers, then name conflicts will be an issue. If they want to avoid that issue, then they need a solution a bit more complex than “just copy the servers together and done.”

We all hope they do it in such a way as to avoid the issue, but there are times that ZOS has implemented something (like Account Wide Achieves or Subclassing) and gone for the “easy route” and ignored how issues may affect players, and especially the roleplayer community. That’s the fear. And it’ll remain a (reasonable!) fear until ZOS comes out to say how their system will work.

I really would like for ZOS to rebuild the code such that repeated character names are not an issue and any communication or reports can go through account name only, and that would mean players who are attached to their character names would not need to change them in order to play with others on other consoles. If they do that, then this fear (that a lot of roleplay-oriented players have) is a non issue and console players can play with their PC friends.

Okay so we are worrying now about all possibilities before anything is set lmao

Maybe crossplay is never coming, save your breath till they announce something

It wouldn't happen.
I've been DarkRiketz on Internet for like two decades, DarkRiketz is me and has been me so long that even after I dropped the Dark everywhere I could (but not everywhere I am, sometimes it's impossible (the Dark originally came from my love to Star Wars movies discovered at the time of Episode 3 release but too many idiots think it's just a dark edgy surname. It's not.)) to become Riketz again, you still find me when you look for DarkRiketz.

Also, my characters names come from a novel project I'm writing, so, unless someone has stolen my writing notes, there's not a single character in Tamriel that would share its name with mine.

I'd rather rename myself than be renamed to "xylena_lazarow_pc" or something dumb like that.

If anything, I'd like to see them clean up naming rules. Too many gibberish names.

Erickson9610 wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

Why do people want crossplay? Is it that they already have friends on other systems that they want to play with?

I want crossplay because I want to see more people in this Massively Multiplayer Online game.

Part of why Vengeance was so cool was because it collapsed all of the Cyrodiil campaigns into one — we saw names we don't usually see because they play on different campaigns.

More people is better for the health of this game, too — dungeon/battlegrounds/ToT queues will pop faster and we'll see more people out in the world tackling content in older zones. It's the best thing that can happen to this game.

I'd worry about it becoming too crowded... like the real world I'm trying to escape.

fizzybeef wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

fizzybeef wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

fizzybeef wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

A name change to play Crossplay seems like a tiny problem

To some people. Just like losing individual character progress to combine achievements seems like a small thing.

And to others, it’s a gamebreaking issue.

Shouldn’t things be done to impact the fewest people possible? It may take a bit of extra work, but knowingly causing a bunch of your players to leave is probably not the optimal solution.

I dont think if a few players need to change name would cause alot leaving the game.

The News about Crossplay would probably do the opposite and bring in alot of new excitement and returning/new players.

I understand some would hate to change name but I still see that as a tiny problem contra the good things.

Oh, you mean like how the news of “use any skills you want without class restrictions!” totally brought all those people back to the game and nobody is feeling like Subclassing was poorly implemented?
…Or did they think it would go like that, release it as is, and then have to post a whole “how did you feel about U46?” thread when that magic solution failed to get back to 2020 numbers?

Look: you don’t see it as an issue. You want crossplay more than having consistency in your virtual dolls’ names. You think other people are blowing things out of proportion. You see only positives from adding crossplay. And there are people who agree with you.

Is it so hard to fathom that there are people who don’t share your view? Would if really affect you if they actually took all of their players into consideration and set up crossplay in such a way as to not alienate some of their base?

I mean you also dont respect other peoples wishes, because you are against it. You cant please everyone, thats the first thing you got to accept.

…

From a previous quote from myself

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I do hope some form of crossplay does come for the benefit of all. But ZOS will have to essentially rebuild a lot of the character data at the bottom of the spaghetti code to get it to work, and I hope that doesn’t take away from releasing new content.

Why does crossplay have to involve scooping names from others? Wouldn’t it be better to… do it in a way that doesn’t encroach on others? And then everyone could be happy instead of just some people?

But whooooo said it will make that thing with the names ? Only the thread creator brought that up, literally nobody else 😂

And who said it won’t be a name problem?

The thing is that we don’t know how it will turn out. All we can say is that if they do crossplay by simply combining servers, then name conflicts will be an issue. If they want to avoid that issue, then they need a solution a bit more complex than “just copy the servers together and done.”

We all hope they do it in such a way as to avoid the issue, but there are times that ZOS has implemented something (like Account Wide Achieves or Subclassing) and gone for the “easy route” and ignored how issues may affect players, and especially the roleplayer community. That’s the fear. And it’ll remain a (reasonable!) fear until ZOS comes out to say how their system will work.

I really would like for ZOS to rebuild the code such that repeated character names are not an issue and any communication or reports can go through account name only, and that would mean players who are attached to their character names would not need to change them in order to play with others on other consoles. If they do that, then this fear (that a lot of roleplay-oriented players have) is a non issue and console players can play with their PC friends.

Okay so we are worrying now about all possibilities before anything is set lmao

Maybe crossplay is never coming, save your breath till they announce something

I mean, it is better to worry, and bring those issues up *before* it makes it out of the planning stage, than it is to have them announce 'We are almost finished with Crossplay!' and THEN bring it up.

Edit: Especially if what someone says in a thread like this gives the programmers an idea of how to proceed.

James-Wayne wrote: »

I own my name across all devices already did that back when console launched

In terms of eso you actually dont owe anything according to the TOS.
They can always shut the game down and you have nothing left

I don’t understand why this is even a concern. All they have to do is add a little Xbox/PSN/PC symbol next to a players name like they do on Fortnite then you can keep your names

Ok, real question here:

How many people named "Joe" existing in RL at the same time we have ?

^ See ? This is something I honestly don't understand in mmos (and eso). For crying out loud, we have account names...