Do you want the old bgs back ?

Navaac223 · August 10

"the traditional three-sided matches won’t be gone forever and may return in the future for special one-off events"
-zos, 16/10/2024

I want to know how many people want to see the old bgs again, and how :

LunaFlora · August 10

Keep the 2 team matches and add 4v4v4 as special events

i like 2 teams as 3 teams was more overwhelming.

extra queues would be fine as long as everything stayed, but ZOS said 3 teams could return in the future for events so i picked that option.

personally i think this poll is not very useful. i just don't think it's ever a good idea to make a game suggestion whilst also suggesting to delete a big thing.

Major_Mangle · August 10

Have both modes in separate queues (possibly delete 4v4 or 8v8)

Get rid of 4v4, servers 0 purpose the way it´s created to be "competitive" (it´s as far away from competitive as it gets) and replace it with a 4v4v4 deathmatch only where you can queue as either solo or duo (aka mixed queue). 8v8 stays and become solo queue only and random mode.

The important thing is to not have a queue for "everything" since the queues would become astronomically long.

PureeEvil · August 10

Keep the new ones, they're better than 4v4v4

Major_Mangle wrote: »

Get rid of 4v4, servers 0 purpose the way it´s created to be "competitive" (it´s as far away from competitive as it gets) and replace it with a 4v4v4 deathmatch only where you can queue as either solo or duo (aka mixed queue). 8v8 stays and become solo queue only and random mode.

The important thing is to not have a queue for "everything" since the queues would become astronomically long.

why not delete 8x8? 8x8 its swamp why playrs from there ask delite 4x4?

PureeEvil · August 10

Keep the new ones, they're better than 4v4v4

i dont whant old BG i whant 2x2 BG. This will completely eliminate your dependence on your team, and you won't care if you're mixed with some incompetents.

I'm tired of all these swamps with a bunch of players running around for no reason. No one knows how to play in a team, so why do we need a large team, either ours or the enemy's?
ZOS, stop being greedy. We're paying enough to have at least 2x2 servers.

Nemesis7884 · August 10

Major_Mangle wrote: »

Get rid of 4v4, servers 0 purpose the way it´s created to be "competitive" (it´s as far away from competitive as it gets) and replace it with a 4v4v4 deathmatch only where you can queue as either solo or duo (aka mixed queue). 8v8 stays and become solo queue only and random mode.

The important thing is to not have a queue for "everything" since the queues would become astronomically long.

Agree, would only keep 8 vs 8 and bring back 4v4v4...or something entirely new...current not working, not fun

Zodiarkslayer · August 10

OTHER:
Delete all current BGs from the game. Make open lobbies of up to 30 players on a rotation of small, condensed maps and give everyone a choice of game type (deathmatch, ctf, etc).

Moonspawn · August 10

Delete the new bgs, replace them with the good ones

Major_Mangle wrote: »

Get rid of 4v4, servers 0 purpose the way it´s created to be "competitive" (it´s as far away from competitive as it gets) and replace it with a 4v4v4 deathmatch only where you can queue as either solo or duo (aka mixed queue). 8v8 stays and become solo queue only and random mode.

The important thing is to not have a queue for "everything" since the queues would become astronomically long.

Can you explain the problem of having the following queue configuration?

Can't people just select the first and second if they want to play all game modes?

albertberku · August 10

Delete the new bgs, replace them with the good ones

I always leveled my characters juat playing U50 BGs. 4v4v4 was really fun, especially the little game modes there, capture the flag, crazy king and my favourite the one where you steal relics of the other team, and can develop a strategy to keep relic in a certain position so that you push other team to lose their relic as well by pushing. There it wasnt also mattered if your team was good or bad, it was fun for everyone since 2nd team would get the prices and you could easily carry your team in the huge maps they had before by playing correct. And the old maps were really fantastic and were open for a lot of strategic play. There was something everyone can enjoy in those BGs.

I am having really hard time understanding the decision behind the need for a change in BGs and why the community isnt protesting the new BGs, a 4v4 deathmatch in a small map, where you either destroy your opponent or get destroyed, everyone stacking to each other mashing buttons. At the end what are the odds of the game will be even? If one team starts to get kills, it will instantly demolish the whole motivation of the opponent and make it even worse for the losing team. Looks like people dont mind the change, but the old ones were so much fun play, i miss the gameplay there. At least would be better to keep U50 BGs as how it was, since old BGs were also much easier to compete for the new players. At the very least for the single/duo queues.

Tyrobag · August 10

Delete the new bgs, replace them with the good ones

The 3 way matches meant that even if you didn't get a strong group that let you steamroll the other team, there was still a chance you could accomplish something while the two stronger groups fought it out. Most of my experiences in the new BGs have been pretty much binary. Either you steamroll the other team or they steamroll you.

wolfie1.0. · August 10

My experience in them has been almost the same regardless of which version I play.

randconfig · August 10

Same as above, but 4v4v4 comes back weekly (maybe every sunday)

Have the default queue option be random between the two modes, but allow for specifically choosing to queue for one or the other.

Also, keep competitive 4v4 as an option you can select, but give us better rewards for competing. Give us better rewards for PvP in general tbh.

LPapirius · August 10

Delete the new bgs, replace them with the good ones

I've never seen a balanced 2 team BG. Never.

Vulkunne · August 10

Have both modes in separate queues (possibly delete 4v4 or 8v8)

I think in this instance some variety would be better.

Artim_X · August 10

Have both modes in separate queues (possibly delete 4v4 or 8v8)

Bring back the 4v4v4 bgs. The Storm Lords shall rise again!

Also it'd be great if we can make our own custom matches with friends, guildmates, and through the group finder.

SilverBride · August 10

Delete the new bgs, replace them with the good ones

I prefer the old battlegrounds, but I haven't played any since subclassing was introduced. I just don't feel like my pure class characters can fairly complete with those that subclass, so unless something changes with that it's not going to matter to me which battlegrounds they use.

Stamicka · August 10

I don’t think it matters either way until something is done about the current state of balance and combat. People won’t want to enter any PvP area, whether BGs, Cyrodiil, or IC if the actual experience of fighting other players isn’t fun (which it’s currently not).

I don’t even think that the new BGs are poorly designed. The real issues come from the fact that the power gap is too wide and not enough players are queuing. As a result matches are lopsided because there’s not enough people in the MMR brackets to put players of the same ranking together. Also the power gap is so wide now that one properly built player can farm an entire team that’s less prepared.

Investing in new PvP systems, changes, or additions is such a waste if they continue to ignore long standing balance issues, cause almost no one wants anything to do with PvP atm.

Wolfshade · August 10

Have both modes in separate queues (possibly delete 4v4 or 8v8)

Never understood why old ones were completly replaced. Why not simply add the new ones?

3 Team Battles are a good choise, cause i saw so many rounds were one team which was underdog after several minutes fight their way back. By two sides, even not one!

Thats the point why Matt`s decicion for XvsYvsZ like cyro works and Wheelers 2 Teams BG`s not!

katanagirl1 · August 11

Keep the 2 team matches and add 4v4v4 as special events

I liked the 3 team BGs more but I’m not a frequent player. This way both can exist.

It would also be interesting to have a Vengeance type BG test. It would make the contest more even.

fufu_from_ps4 · August 11

4v4v4 was better balance and allowed for teams with less talent but larger brains to win. also 12 is less people needed to start than 16.

8v8 is pretty nice, but the teams are never balanced so someone is getting spawn camped.

1v1 would be great (with something included to discourage tanks from trolling us to death)

i do like that they got away from the giant maps. people were avoiding pvp.

idk why they do objective based weekend events. most people want tdm. and then when we get objective people just play tdm. which means that like no one is happy. the 15% of the playerpop that wanted objective is mad that no one is playing it. the 85% are playing tdm are mad that its objective game mode during the weekend (most peoples only freetime). maybe im out of touch on this one but it seems like most of the vets just tdm 24/7.

Renato90085 · August 11

I miss old bg map,but not 4v4v4 mode ,the old map so big and beautiful
game PvP main problem is that the strength gap between players is too big.

Chrisilis · August 11

Delete the new bgs, replace them with the good ones

4v4 solo
4v4 group
8v8 solo
4v4v4 solo (classic)

If I were forced to choose between new Bg's and old Bg's I'd choose old Bg's but I dont really want to see the new Bg's gone, I just want to be able choose. Theres room for all three formats. Three team should never have been removed in the first place.

Miracle19 · August 11

Delete the new bgs, replace them with the good ones

Delete the new system. The pre u28 system was best imo. Another alternative could be to simply get rid of solo queue all together.
Example could be;
4v4
8v8
4v4v4
All group queue’s, encourages more team play, less fragmentation, and players will get better as they will have to face duos as a solo player or even premades. That’s how it was before and the average player was significantly better overall.

CatoUnchained · August 11

Delete the new bgs, replace them with the good ones

LPapirius wrote: »

I've never seen a balanced 2 team BG. Never.

Me neither. 4x4x4 was way better format.

If the MMR rating system worked, or ever would work, perhaps there'd be hope for the two team format. But alas, this seems like one of the issues ZOS isn't going to get to. It's so far down on their list of what should be their priorities.

Thumbless_Bot · August 11

Have both modes in separate queues (possibly delete 4v4 or 8v8)

Miracle19 wrote: »

Delete the new system. The pre u28 system was best imo. Another alternative could be to simply get rid of solo queue all together.
Example could be;
4v4
8v8
4v4v4
All group queue’s, encourages more team play, less fragmentation, and players will get better as they will have to face duos as a solo player or even premades. That’s how it was before and the average player was significantly better overall.

Zos removing options is why there are so many threads complaining about, well, zos removing options.

Big no to this idea.

Erickson9610 · August 12

Same as above, but both modes stay in the same queue

Players should have the option of 2-team or 3-team matches. To reduce wait times, a solution to merge these into the same queue would be ideal.

Regardless of the solution put in place, 2-team and 3-team are both popular options and neither should be inaccessible for long.

Navaac223 · August 12

Delete the new bgs, replace them with the good ones

Alright, I changed my mind : I now recognize that players who like 2 team bgs somehow do exist so instead of deleting the new ones, I'm now more in favor of having multiple queues. If some people enjoy the new bgs, then let them play 8v8 but if others want to play 4v4v4, then IMO they shouldn't have to wait for an event to play it

We were told in the announcement letter for u44 that 4v4v4 wouldn't disappear. U44 released 9 months ago.. @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_BrianWheeler , can you give us any news ? What would it cost to allow people to choose between 2 teams and 3 teams ?

xylena_lazarow · August 12

Keep the new ones, they're better than 4v4v4

Format of 2s vs 3s isn't what's killing BGs, it's crap like the broken safe zone / spawn point mechanics, MMR resets that keep mashing all the sweaties in with noobs every week / month, and of course the godawful worst-of-both-worlds meta, where the top Assassin tree builds can both stall forever and drop RNG two-shot instakills.

JumboWheat01 · August 12

Same as above, but 4v4v4 comes back weekly (maybe every sunday)

My largest problem with the current BGs is that I can't look at the HUD and tell who owns what, my colorblindness fails here spectacularly.

I've done enough games with three teams to experience plenty of times where the last place team was bullied by BOTH other teams, second place generally giving up on getting first. Not very fun.

Daoin · August 12

Keep the 2 team matches and add 4v4v4 as special events

it was hard to vote on having done many of the old style matched and just a few 8v8 and no 4v4 but i did notice in the couple of matches i played in 8v8 that it just seemed the matches were fair not just one streaker streaking around killing everyone, the matches i played saw them more streaking of to safety after failed attacks, even though even with the gankers and streakers (before subclassing) i still enjoyed 3 teams alot and would play BG's again with 3 teams but do not intend to while the modes are 2 teams, i just needed level a new characters skill line in there. also my view is from random queue not premade

xylena_lazarow · August 13

Keep the new ones, they're better than 4v4v4

JumboWheat01 wrote: »

I've done enough games with three teams to experience plenty of times where the last place team was bullied by BOTH other teams, second place generally giving up on getting first. Not very fun.

Same for me. The players who miss 3-sided seem to do the "I only care about my personal KDA" or the "hooray 2nd place, daily rewards without having to play the game." Trying for the 1st place win was pointless even in Deathmatch.

Also: JUSTICE FOR THE STORM LORDS

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