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Shield bashed to death.
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ShintaiDK✭✭✭Shield bash itself is not a problem. Its essentially the only tool a shield and sword got. There is only one single issue, and thats the +bash jewlery and thats fixed in the big patch.0 -
Affrayer✭✭✭Ever heard of CC break?
"Yeah, i don't have one."
CC break is available to everyone. Left + Right mouse click.
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ShintaiDK✭✭✭To add as well, I use sword and shield in PvP. And I also use a bow. I killed people just bashing them with the bow as well. Nerf?
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SinisterJoint✭✭✭SinisterJoint wrote: »Affrayer wrote: »
If someone is bashing you to death you need to kite them and switch to ranged combat.
"You can't do anything, you're stunned the entire time, you can't even potion"
Ever heard of CC break?
You can CC break while laying flat on your back? Cause that is how this is happening. DK Rushes and knocks you down, then does several shield bashes and your dead.
It's getting fixed in 1.1.1 so we can all look forward to it.
Hopefully Bolt Escape is next because that ability needs a mana cost increase.
(I'm a sorc and I approve this nerf)
Unless you're a low level, I hardly see how someone can kill you in the 1-2 seconds it takes to stand up after a knockdown.
Then clearly you haven't been playing pvp much. Simply put a dk can do about 5 shield bashes in 2 seconds. And knockdown times depends on each ability. Some knock you down for longer.
Regardless, you have no clue what you are talking about.Edited by SinisterJoint on May 15, 2014 1:09PM0 -
JessieColt✭✭✭✭I am confused as to why you posted this in the Customer Support (Help) Forum instead of the PvP forum.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/categories/EN-tactics0 -
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The 6k crits we were talking about are PvE crits. That was clearly stated.Please LOL my comments. I'm an aspiring comedian.0 -
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✭Break out of the stun, pop a heal and a armor buff then root him and move away. Keep rooting him until he is dead. porfit $$$0 -
K.. so you got wasted..
thats life bro.. thatgs life.. win some.. loose some..
"learning to win, learning to loose" part of the process of growing up.1 -
Affrayer✭✭✭SinisterJoint wrote: »SinisterJoint wrote: »Affrayer wrote: »
If someone is bashing you to death you need to kite them and switch to ranged combat.
"You can't do anything, you're stunned the entire time, you can't even potion"
Ever heard of CC break?
You can CC break while laying flat on your back? Cause that is how this is happening. DK Rushes and knocks you down, then does several shield bashes and your dead.
It's getting fixed in 1.1.1 so we can all look forward to it.
Hopefully Bolt Escape is next because that ability needs a mana cost increase.
(I'm a sorc and I approve this nerf)
Unless you're a low level, I hardly see how someone can kill you in the 1-2 seconds it takes to stand up after a knockdown.
Then clearly you haven't been playing pvp much. Simply put a dk can do about 5 shield bashes in 2 seconds. And knockdown times depends on each ability. Some knock you down for longer.
5 in 2 seconds? Someone has been doing too much skooma.
Not enough time in pvp? I'm 3/4 of the way to sergeant...nope, I have no idea what I'm talking about. -.-
There are no abilities that have 'different knockdown times'. However there are abilities that have different stun times. It takes the same time to stand up from a reverse slash as it is from one of my crystal shards.
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Howabout we nerf every class down to peasant class. Where the most destructive thing you can do is drop the pile of wood you carry on your shoulder on someone's head.
Then we will cry for nerfs against the peasant class. So we will all become beggars.
Then someone will complain that the beggar class is OP due to being dirty and diseased. The players will fight for a nerf to the diseases and dirt that beggars claim. So that will be nerfed as well.
Then we will all be peons, with our only power being able to follow another peon. We will all wear potato sacks and be starving, until the one peon finds that he can use his "power over fleas" to overpower another peon to which another nerf will come into play leaving us as corpses.
How does one play a corpse? Simple, you sit there, No pvp, No pve, Simple.
Really it comes down to this, nothing anyone does will ever please everyone. Don't like something? Move on. Nobody likes the people who complain about everything claiming unfairness. Life is unfair. Get used to it.5 -
Aci✭✭✭ninjajucerb14_ESO wrote: »Life is unfair. Get used to it.
Guys, how about discussing it in a good manner to sort out the problem that may help the devs in their decisions?0 -
Reenlister✭✭✭ninjajucerb14_ESO wrote: »Howabout we nerf every class down to peasant class. Where the most destructive thing you can do is drop the pile of wood you carry on your shoulder on someone's head.
LOL. I just had a sudden visage of all new comers to PvP must begin as peasant, the only weapon they are allowed is the pitchfork, and to balance this they may only move in a scattered group attempting to be an organized phalanx.
Oh, and at night one or two default to a torch...
EDIT: but to add the shield is a good hit. I hate to see it get nerfed to useless to... But it is odd that your shield hits harder than you sword....Edited by Reenlister on May 15, 2014 1:20PM0 -
Junipus✭✭✭✭✭Aside from the hilarious complaining, shield bashing and charge is counterable in PvP. I know as I use shield bash and charge as standard.
Just use block when you see the enemy, especially when the charge starts and it'll deflect off you harmlessly with no stun. Alternatively, kit some heavy armour and level it up to get immovable which grants cc and stun immunity and activate when you see the enemy.
Then use NB stun to keep the basher in place whilst you either stealth away or crit them to death.The Legendary Nothing3 -
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✭Ok, so i never make rant threads, i actually usually make fun of those who do, but i spose there's a first time for everything so here i go.
Iv'e been optimistic about this game since the start, iv'e put up with a fair few things.
but in this case i want to atleast get my opinion out there.
I'd say about 90% of the time i die in cyradiil it's me being killed in say.. idk 10-13 seconds maybe less by some dude who literally charges at me, and shield bashes me to death, i mean it sounds stupid but there's no honor in this.. it's literally a skill-less kill, i mean yeah i'm a nightblade, i spend most of my time poping out of the shadows and killing people before they get a chance to do anything either.. but i mean atleast i have a variety of abilities i need to use in quick succession in order for me to simply stay alive, these dudes are dragonknights most of the time and they just charge and shield bash, dying isn't fun, and i guess no one would like it, but this isn't fun to the point where i'm actually getting frustrated and logging off... i'm not going to do anything drastic like threaten to cancel my subscription if it isn't fixed or something, but idk.. i just don't like it, it's an annoyance... it's bringing my fun train to a rocky halt.
no more fun choo choo for me.
So yeah, thanks for reading my rant, have at me.
TL;DR
So basically i wanted to make 3 points here.
1) If you're running around shield bashing people to death, know that you're not playing with any skill, or honor if that comes into play anywhere, and that i have no respect for you as a fellow player.
2) i think that something does need to be done here i don't have a clue as to what, but i'm sure i'm not the only one who feels similar to the way i do.
3) if you feel the same way feel free to rant below, but don't get too out of control yeah?
In real life if someone smacked you around the head / upper torso with a mediaeval shield you would not stay upright for long.
Oh so you wan't realism with your elves and lizard people?
... and bipedal talking cats .... you forgot those.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭Even if they nerf shield bash, all good players will still use it. It mitigates damage and interrupts. Everyone should be blocking and interupting to some degree.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
Vr14 Dk bow/2h
Brayan Blackthunder
Goddick
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Heck, my NB character does that with his bow all the time.Thechemicals wrote: »Even if they nerf shield bash, all good players will still use it. It mitigates damage and interrupts. Everyone should be blocking and interupting to some degree.
Crotchety Old Man Guild
"Hey you, get off my lawn!"0 -
So switch the damage shield does to the sword or other one hand weapon. I have no idea why in the hell all 1 hand weapons have the same damage level attached (non Trait, non Magic). Mace, Dagger, Axe, Sword, needs a different damage cap when crafting.Just a spoonful of moon sugar helps the medicine go down.0
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Eylith✭✭✭I must say I don't follow.
I play DK-Tank, and I'm vet2. I do some PvP also. Thing is, heavy armor is not good on PvP (IMO), AoE has been nerfed, and some of our most powerfull spells aren't as effective as they were. And now you speak about nerfing the bash.
What do you want from us ? How can we have a balanced PvP like that as a DK ? I already find the DK somewhat not as effective in PvP as all others classes...
Am I the only one to feel that way ?
edit : And in an other thread, a user ask for a "dark talon" nerf...*sight*
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/95986/dark-talon-spamEdited by Eylith on May 15, 2014 1:43PM"Discuter avec un troll, c’est comme essayer de jouer aux échecs avec un pigeon. Tu as beau être très fort aux échecs, il arrive, renverse les pièces, chie sur l’échiquier et s’en va avec l’air supérieur comme s’il avait gagné." - Anonyme1 -
Froobert✭✭✭I feel for you mate. I'm a Tank/Ranger. I use a Sword & Shield as well as a bow. Yeah, I use a variety of both to take down my enemies, but I have got to say... Shield Bashing is OP. (Though you kinda deserve it if your that close to the guy.)
First, it uses a lot of stamina, but it does a lot of damage. Second, the easiest way to deal with them is to attack from afar. (I usually never shield bash because I want to use my bow feats as well as my Sword/Shield.)
Sorcerers: Hit them with attacks that stop them in them in their tracks, I'm not much of a mage but I know that you have abilities to stop the mean mother-hubber from ripping you a superfluous new ***.
Nightblades: If you specialize in archery, flippen use Magnum Shot. I love it personally, and its very useful to get out of tight situations. If you use daggers or whatnot, make sure to run the hell away and allow them to lose stamina. (Using some of your abilities to poison or bleed him helps as well.) Getting too close to a shield basher is your folly.
Dragonknights: Just rip him a new one. As my Dragonknight, I use Magnum shot. Why? Well, because after I flame whip them and magnum shot them, their taking heavy fire damage and I can shield charge for an extra close combat pressure point. If you want to do something extra: Use Poison arrow for poison damage, flame whip when they get close, and magnum shot when too close. After that, I can shield charge to get in close and do whatever the heck I want since their about to die anyway. If you want to use a 2h, then make sure to deal that massive damage beforehand, charge and do whatever you can to stun him. I suggest not getting too close since he has the defensive advantage.
Templars: To be honest, I don't know what kind of weapon a Templar would use. I've seen many sword & shield Templars, but most healers as well. If your a sword & shield Templar, or even 2h, use your far-range fire damaging attacks, when he gets close use that OP Spear to knock him a new one. After he's pretty much screwed because you have the upper-hand in range combat, he needs to get close in order to base your face off.
In all honesty though, if you see a shield basher running towards you: Run the other way. Just don't even look at it. Just turn around and walk away.
Not even worth the effort.
I know. I am one.
c:
Also, make sure to note this:
Shield Bashing is hilarious.
Ever seen some guy in Cyrodil with just a Shield as a weapon?
No? Good.
Cause you don't find shield basher, Sheild basher finds you.
-Joseph Dovahkiin
Froobert the TankWhen In doubt, Bash it out!
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Tripp3r✭✭✭
I chuckled.eduardo_goncalveseb17_ESO wrote: »K.. so you got wasted..
thats life bro.. thatgs life.. win some.. loose some..
"learning to win, learning to loose" part of the process of growing up.
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ZOS_LenaicR✭✭✭✭Please keep in mind that, per our Community Code of Conduct, it is never acceptable to insult other members of the community, and that even heated discussions should remain constructive and civil.
We would like to keep this discussion open, so we encourage everyone to please be respectful of one another’s opinions; otherwise, this thread will be locked.1 -
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yeah, sorry for any part i played.ZOS_LenaicR wrote: »Please keep in mind that, per our Community Code of Conduct, it is never acceptable to insult other members of the community, and that even heated discussions should remain constructive and civil.
We would like to keep this discussion open, so we encourage everyone to please be respectful of one another’s opinions; otherwise, this thread will be locked.
i agree.
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Napkins✭I think this is a perfectly valid statement, and obviously the people that have a problem with this forum are the people who are in fact Dragonknights who are Raging about losing their only deadly ability (Which isnt even a class ability might i add) besides Standard of Might. What are you gonna do now? Whip me to death? Honestly, get over it. Youre meant to be a tank not a freaking Juggernaut of unthinkable destruction.
Since when are dragonknights meant to be a tank?
Go into cyrodil, and watch a dragonknight charge some random person in a zerg, shield bash them to death activate his coldowns, and walk out at a leisurely pace while the rest of his team catches up to him... Full heavy armor, shield and dk cooldowns in pvp is fine... but coupled with ungodly dps with shield bash, just makes it stupid.
You can actually move away from them easily. When they spam'n shield bash they are moving VERY slow. People really need to learn how to kite and not stand still and expect to win every fight face tanking everyone.
If that doesn't work then use crowd control abilitys, bash and the stun breakers both cost stamina to use. No one in this game has unlimited stamina. If they are trying to burst kill you then they will blow all their stamina on a stunbreakers/gap closers.
Just like EVERY mmo i've ever played. The ones who aren't constantly moving in pvp will always be the first to die.0
