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ADarklore · April 14

As with everyone, I'm counting down the time to patch notes release. I want more details about how subclassing actually works- because I keep hearing different things.

In the reveal they said 'class progress will be account wide' and then I'm hearing that you will still have to level subclass skill lines from zero even if you've maxed them on an alt (which doesn't make any sense). Then I heard that if you maxed a class, but then deleted your character, that doesn't count. Then I heard you have to somehow 'unlock' and progress class skills that you haven't progressed on another character. It's all very confusing right now.

sarahthes · April 14

ADarklore wrote: »

As with everyone, I'm counting down the time to patch notes release. I want more details about how subclassing actually works- because I keep hearing different things.

In the reveal they said 'class progress will be account wide' and then I'm hearing that you will still have to level subclass skill lines from zero even if you've maxed them on an alt (which doesn't make any sense). Then I heard that if you maxed a class, but then deleted your character, that doesn't count. Then I heard you have to somehow 'unlock' and progress class skills that you haven't progressed on another character. It's all very confusing right now.

Yeah I'm curious too. My assumption based on the streams is that you only need to level the individual skills per character but I could be wildly misinterpreting.

Djennku · April 14

ADarklore wrote: »

As with everyone, I'm counting down the time to patch notes release. I want more details about how subclassing actually works- because I keep hearing different things.

In the reveal they said 'class progress will be account wide' and then I'm hearing that you will still have to level subclass skill lines from zero even if you've maxed them on an alt (which doesn't make any sense). Then I heard that if you maxed a class, but then deleted your character, that doesn't count. Then I heard you have to somehow 'unlock' and progress class skills that you haven't progressed on another character. It's all very confusing right now.

Imagine subclasses like an extra set of skill lines, but account wide. It's like if they added a new weapon or guild line, but these ones are shared.
EDIT: to further clarify, you aren't sharing your alts skill lines with other toons, you are accessing a unique set of swapable skill lines all your toons will have acccess to.

licenturion · April 14

ADarklore wrote: »

As with everyone, I'm counting down the time to patch notes release. I want more details about how subclassing actually works- because I keep hearing different things.

In the reveal they said 'class progress will be account wide' and then I'm hearing that you will still have to level subclass skill lines from zero even if you've maxed them on an alt (which doesn't make any sense). Then I heard that if you maxed a class, but then deleted your character, that doesn't count. Then I heard you have to somehow 'unlock' and progress class skills that you haven't progressed on another character. It's all very confusing right now.

From the stream they said: do a short introductory quest on each character (probably like the intro to Fighters Guild) and then hit level 50 for each skill line on your account.

At the 41 minute mark there is a very clear explanation of the requirements: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2429316140?t=00h40m46s

I saw somewhere added that this is for non deleted active main and alts.

Reginald_leBlem · April 14

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Looking forward to these patch notes. Need to know what I want to set up for the upcoming subclassing. Might even just make a new character and play through base game stuff again for nostalgia.

This is going to be a long one, folks. Just make sure to have a snack and beverage before sitting down to read them.

I got my snacks and drink Kevin, now all that's missing are.... THE NOTES.

ADarklore · April 14

Djennku wrote: »

Imagine subclasses like an extra set of skill lines, but account wide. It's like if they added a new weapon or guild line, but these ones are shared.
EDIT: to further clarify, you aren't sharing your alts skill lines with other toons, you are accessing a unique set of swapable skill lines all your toons will have acccess to.

This is partially incorrect. I just watched the video posted above, and at 42:30 she says that there are TWO ways to get access to the skill lines. First, if you have alts that have maxed their class lines to 50, you gain access to them right away after completing the quest. If you don't, then you get access to what they're calling "subclass skill lines" which you can then level.

So yes, you ARE accessing skill lines of your alts if they've maxed their class skill lines to 50. If you do not have a specific class skill line maxed to 50 on a currently available character- then you will have to utilize their 'subclass skill line' method.

katorga · April 14

ADarklore wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

Imagine subclasses like an extra set of skill lines, but account wide. It's like if they added a new weapon or guild line, but these ones are shared.
EDIT: to further clarify, you aren't sharing your alts skill lines with other toons, you are accessing a unique set of swapable skill lines all your toons will have acccess to.

This is partially incorrect. I just watched the video posted above, and at 42:30 she says that there are TWO ways to get access to the skill lines. First, if you have alts that have maxed their class lines to 50, you gain access to them right away after completing the quest. If you don't, then you get access to what they're calling "subclass skill lines" which you can then level.

So yes, you ARE accessing skill lines of your alts if they've maxed their class skill lines to 50. If you do not have a specific class skill line maxed to 50 on a currently available character- then you will have to utilize their 'subclass skill line' method.

so the alt has to be level 50? Or can the alt be less than level 50 with a skill line maxed out at level 50?

sarahthes · April 14

katorga wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

Imagine subclasses like an extra set of skill lines, but account wide. It's like if they added a new weapon or guild line, but these ones are shared.
EDIT: to further clarify, you aren't sharing your alts skill lines with other toons, you are accessing a unique set of swapable skill lines all your toons will have acccess to.

This is partially incorrect. I just watched the video posted above, and at 42:30 she says that there are TWO ways to get access to the skill lines. First, if you have alts that have maxed their class lines to 50, you gain access to them right away after completing the quest. If you don't, then you get access to what they're calling "subclass skill lines" which you can then level.

So yes, you ARE accessing skill lines of your alts if they've maxed their class skill lines to 50. If you do not have a specific class skill line maxed to 50 on a currently available character- then you will have to utilize their 'subclass skill line' method.

so the alt has to be level 50? Or can the alt be less than level 50 with a skill line maxed out at level 50?

Sounded like just skill line to 50.

licenturion · April 14

ADarklore wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

Imagine subclasses like an extra set of skill lines, but account wide. It's like if they added a new weapon or guild line, but these ones are shared.
EDIT: to further clarify, you aren't sharing your alts skill lines with other toons, you are accessing a unique set of swapable skill lines all your toons will have acccess to.

This is partially incorrect. I just watched the video posted above, and at 42:30 she says that there are TWO ways to get access to the skill lines.

This is correct. They also said somewhere in the video that if you don't have the skill lines unlocked yet and you have to level them, they will level at half the speed if the skill is not from your own class.

I am lucky since I made an alt of each class a few years ago and most are maxed out already. Maybe one or skill line I have to prep before June.

Xarc · April 14

MyNameIsElias wrote: »

can't wait.

ADarklore · April 14

katorga wrote: »

so the alt has to be level 50? Or can the alt be less than level 50 with a skill line maxed out at level 50?

You have to have at least ONE level 50 character on your account... your skill lines you want to access need to be level 50 or you will have to use the 'subclassing skill line' method of acquiring them. At that point, you can create a new character, get to the NPC for the quest (they are in zone five of your faction) and once quest completed, you will have access to all your level 50 class lines.

Sordidfairytale · April 14

licenturion wrote: »

... They also said somewhere in the video that if you don't have the skill lines unlocked yet and you have to level them, they will level at half the speed if the skill is not from your own class.

I am lucky since I made an alt of each class a few years ago and most are maxed out already. Maybe one or skill line I have to prep before June.

In addition to the skill lines taking longer to level through the subclass system, they will also cost twice as many skill points to use.

ADarklore · April 14

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

licenturion wrote: »

... They also said somewhere in the video that if you don't have the skill lines unlocked yet and you have to level them, they will level at half the speed if the skill is not from your own class.

I am lucky since I made an alt of each class a few years ago and most are maxed out already. Maybe one or skill line I have to prep before June.

In addition to the skill lines taking longer to level through the subclass system, they will also cost twice as many skill points to use.

Yes, skills and passives will each cost two SP's on subclassed skill lines.

So this means 8 SP's for the passives in each subclassed skill line. Then each skill will also cost 4 SP's per skill- that's buying the skill and it's morph. I feel bad for new players who haven't been playing for years.

Reginald_leBlem · April 14

Patch notes taking too long. I finished my snack

sarahthes · April 14

Reginald_leBlem wrote: »

Patch notes taking too long. I finished my snack

My coffee is almost done

Reginald_leBlem · April 14

sarahthes wrote: »

Reginald_leBlem wrote: »

Patch notes taking too long. I finished my snack

My coffee is almost done

Dang. Well, you make more coffee, I'll make another snack. Hopefully natch notes arrive before thay are done

Twohothardware · April 14

ADarklore wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

licenturion wrote: »

... They also said somewhere in the video that if you don't have the skill lines unlocked yet and you have to level them, they will level at half the speed if the skill is not from your own class.

I am lucky since I made an alt of each class a few years ago and most are maxed out already. Maybe one or skill line I have to prep before June.

In addition to the skill lines taking longer to level through the subclass system, they will also cost twice as many skill points to use.

Yes, skills and passives will each cost two SP's on subclassed skill lines.

So this means 8 SP's for the passives in each subclassed skill line. Then each skill will also cost 4 SP's per skill- that's buying the skill and it's morph. I feel bad for new players who haven't been playing for years.

You’ll be able to put all your time and efforts into a single character and can just change subclasses if you want to try something else. This is a much better system for new players.

ForumBully · April 14

Gained 10 lbs snacking so far

robpr · April 14

licenturion wrote: »

This is correct. They also said somewhere in the video that if you don't have the skill lines unlocked yet and you have to level them, they will level at half the speed if the skill is not from your own class.

Oh no, my stockpile of Alchemy/Enchant/Jewerly master writs is in danger!

ForumBully · April 14

Notes length was exaggerated. Not bad though

LinusMain · April 14

Siege Merchants will now sell “Bound Tri-Restoration Potions” for 1,000 AP each.

I spit my coffee, praise Columbine \o/

ForumBully · April 14

Considering the scope of the combat changes, I think devs were refreshing restrained regarding nerfs/buffs with this first pass. Well done.

lPeacekeeperl · April 21

When will we get the opportunity to read about new nerfsfixes? I hope there will be lot this week

Dreadwar · April 21

Nothing burger or more in-depth changes? Wait and see!

Stx · April 21

I feel like week 2’s are usually light if anything is even changed at all but with subclassing being a big change I hope they are on top of making smart changes.

sarahthes · April 21

Not expecting much this week but maybe they'll tweak GLS somewhat so we can test other combinations.

Jestir · April 28

Server should be down within the hour and then we can await what is usually the last BIG pts patch notes of the cycle

robpr · April 28

Can't wait to see how they gonna buff nightblades again

RaddlemanNumber7 · April 28

Can't wait for the EU character copy

Dreadwar · April 28

I do hope it is a beefy change-log.