I plan to use the Armory to make different builds on my main with different Subclassed skill lines.


I'll have one build dedicated to maximizing Werewolf PvE DPS, and it'll have Aedric Spear, Storm Calling, and Grave Lord. Each skill line will be from a different class.

I'll have another build for Werewolf PvP. I think at this point, I may use Restoring Light, Dawn's Wrath, and Daedric Summoning. I'll experiment with it, but having 2 Templar skill lines and 1 subclassed skill line sounds fine to me.

I'll have one build for solely Templar DPS, probably just for overland farming where I want to use Repentance, Biting Jabs, and Radiant Oppression, each of which reside in different Templar skill lines.


...then I'll figure out how I'll update my Infinite Archive build, as well as some of my other miscellaneous builds. It'd be fun to play around with skills from other classes without needing to swap characters.

The point is, as a player who mainly sticks to one character, I'll use Subclassing in different ways depending on the content I'm running.

DreamyLu wrote: »

I just chill in this game (farming resources, trading, housing, fishing when I'm tired). Fighting is rarely part of my activities so that any add related to fighting skills/classes usually don't attract me much. For example, I never started scribing...

Therefore, realistically, I don't think that I will touch subclass either.

I completed the scribing line and inscribed a couple of skills. Essentially, I did not care for it. Also, changing the color of a skill also did not impress me much.

Subclassing really holds no interest for me as it is currently described.

But time will tell.

Honestly, I have seen this change-for-the-sake-of-change happen in another game: World of Warcraft. Even though I was a Day One player of WoW, when I saw my favorite main class, Rogue, changed and gutted so that I hardly recognized it anymore, I simply quit the game.

Even though I do love this game and will have played for six years come June, I can see a point coming where I will be so disappointed in the changes without any substantial fixing of long-standing bugs that I will simply quit this game as well.

Again, time will tell.

I plan on making a new character for subclassing and replaying old quests for nostalgia. Gonna wait for the dust to settle on PTS though, as I will need to make sure that the build I make.is viable for my purposes.

Ideally I would engage with subclassing where it suits my characters thematically to do so.

Unfortunately we will all be forced to engage with it if we want to continue doing harder content, as all our pure characters will be significantly weaker once the patch goes live, so we will need to adopt the new meta unfortunately.

I do not look forward to how ridiculous my main will look with his mismatched, garishly clashing, entirely unsatisfactory meta power/animation combinations, but I play the game mostly for endgame activities, so its either that or never pull my own weight in a group again ever again. My friends might let me get away with it, but I wouldn't want them to be forced to pick up my slack so... Yeah.

Haven't decided yet. I'll experiment with an alt, if I like it I might use it on more characters, if I don't, I won't.
I pick a Class for a reason.

On my main Templar I will stay pure Templar. I've tried the PTS but I can't seem to give up any Templar options. Especially with the buffs coming to Templar.

HOWEVER on my Necro I will try out the "summoner". Daedric summoning is such a great skill tree for Necro. Both passives and actives.
Will also probably try to fuse my "Thunder Nord" and "Frost Nord" into one

I'll probably have to, even though I'm not a fan. It's just like hybridization, if you don't participate, you are left behind.

I will try subclassing on at least one character. Corrosive Armor with Jabs sounds like an OP combo for PVP

I'm too lazy to make any changes, so it's stay pure for me.

Ingenon wrote: »

Depends upon what gets released to live. Right now I'm using easy to play Arcanist alts and One Bar Oakensoul alts for all of my trials/dungeons/overland. If the 171K parse on PTS I saw (Grave Lord/Herald of the Tome/Assassination) ends up making it to live, then all my current DPS builds will be way under performing and probably unwanted for playing with others. I will need a new easy to play build that doesn't require 120 actions per minute (APM) and performs closer to the new top builds. Hopefully there will be a new easy to play build, otherwise ZOS may have designed me out of ESO.

Great new heavy attack build mythic coming with the update. I don't personally use a ha build but I may give it a try.

SilverBride wrote: »

Yudo wrote: »

I was planning to stay pure, but with deadric summoning for sorcs no longer supporting no-pet builds, I am actually not sure if I will bother.

What changes are they making that will no longer support no pet builds? I have 2 Sorcerers, one of which uses the volatile familiar and the other no pets. Neither uses the flappy, nor will they.

I'm curious about this too,as I use just the familiar. I got rid of flappy when I scribed a burst heal from the soul grimoire. Not sure if I lose out on any passives etc.by using only 1 pet,but it works for me.

SilverBride wrote: »

Yudo wrote: »

I was planning to stay pure, but with deadric summoning for sorcs no longer supporting no-pet builds, I am actually not sure if I will bother.

What changes are they making that will no longer support no pet builds? I have 2 Sorcerers, one of which uses the volatile familiar and the other no pets. Neither uses the flappy, nor will they.

From the https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/676209/pts-patch-notes-v11-0-0

Sorcerer

Daedric Summoning
General Skill Line: We’re removing the separation of a pet vs no pet build in this skill line now that sub-classing is here. Those who do not wish to interact with the pet gameplay can now replace this skill line as a whole. Many abilities in this skill line have been adjusted with this in mind.
Conjured Ward and morphs: Conjured Ward and Hardened Ward no longer heal the you if you do not have any pets active.
Regenerative Ward now heals you for ~5% of your Max Health or Max Magicka if you have a pet active.
Daedric Prey: This ability now increases the damage your Sorcerer pets deal to the target by 50%, instead of increasing the damage all of your pets deal to the target by 45%.
[Developer Comment]


With subclassing here, we've had to adjust this ability to prevent it from becoming egregiously overpowered when paired with the maximum use case of pets. We've gone forward with a model that largely retains the power where it already lies, where it buffs Sorcerer's pets - but slightly limited it where it will no longer work with proc based pets or other class pets.

TaSheen wrote: »

Other: leave the game, play something else.

Subtle "I'm leaving" post.

I view subclassing as your character learning new abilities/magic, which is completely Lore friendly. I'll like to see what I can fit into my characters.

SilverBride wrote: »

Thanks for all the replies. I am stunned by this change, and for the first time in many years of playing and enjoying the experience I am now contemplating my options.

My no pet Sorcerer is my oldest character, created soon after launch. I will not change her class identity or who she is.

That's how I feel about my Warden main. I've been pretty much exclusively playing her for 5 years now. If they nerf/change skills and passives (to accommodate subclassing) in a way that makes playing her unviable or not fun, that would pretty much kill the game for me.

I'm actually really surprised that they would screw around this much with classes 11 years in. When I heard about subclassing on the livestream, I thought it would be interesting, but now I'm concerned that they'll gut pure classes in the process. I'm reading too many posts that say if you don't subclass, you'll be left behind.