pvp - SORCERER META

Xarc · March 22

It seems like everyone has brought out their Sorc

this class is actually on top trend, and it's no coincidence. SORC is F***ing OP as hell in pvp

maybe zos could you do something about... BALANCE?

silky_soft · March 22

Some people still waiting for that vengeance campaign they were going on about.

Vulkunne · March 22

Xarc wrote: »

It seems like everyone has brought out their Sorc

this class is actually on top trend, and it's no coincidence. SORC is F***ing OP as hell in pvp

maybe zos could you do something about... BALANCE?

Correct. Notice Sorc is something I rarely complain about. I think class is fine as is, but the other classes really are behind because of their own issues, and they need to be improved cause nerfing Sorc back to how it was really won't help the situation any.

It might be something they're going to have to do differently rather than just adding or decreasing a couple stats. That strat is not going to hold much longer. The other classes need new and better utility, nothing earth shattering but something that could be pragmatic yet at the same time progressive, so they don't do too much all at once.

Xarc · March 22

I think the problem could come from the ChampionPoints because in BG or in Ravenwatch, sorcs do not stand out more than that.

maybe some CPs benefit this class much more than others (for example CPs on shields)

Gankform · March 22

when i use Crystallized Slab or Dragon Fire Scale they are running away:P

Thumbless_Bot · March 23

Gankform wrote: »

when i use Crystallized Slab or Dragon Fire Scale they are running away:P

Did you get an additional bar slot? I can't fit slabs on my den and can't fit scale on my dk.

the1andonlyskwex · March 23

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

Gankform wrote: »

when i use Crystallized Slab or Dragon Fire Scale they are running away:P

Did you get an additional bar slot? I can't fit slabs on my den and can't fit scale on my dk.

We all have to make choices.

Gankform · March 23

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

Gankform wrote: »

when i use Crystallized Slab or Dragon Fire Scale they are running away:P

Did you get an additional bar slot? I can't fit slabs on my den and can't fit scale on my dk.

Den setup

DK setup

KekwLord3000 · March 23

Sorcs are way too overtuned.
Couple of suggestions.
1. Somehow limit the streak, it being able to be cast 6-7 times in a row is insane, no class can catch up to them, and if the sorc has more than 10 brain cells he will cast dark deal in between and he can streak for 30 minute straight like what???? Put idk like 3 sec delay on the streak or disable streak for 5-10 seconds after casting streak 2 times in the span of 5 seconds to not hurt pve sorcs as well.
2. Remove healing from wards, like it's a shield or a heal not both! sorcs get 1 get of jail free card called streak, well no they get 2 the ward, they can spam that shield while healing to full very OP.

Average sorc in IC 40k+ health 28k resistance 50k+ mag and hitting 5k+ with their spammble while you are on 30k resistance in what world is this fair???

Gankform · March 23

Meta is the latency in this game btw...when i can play with 40ping and you have 150+ u dont have chance to win...i can hear you.. for me doesn't matter much what class you play, especially in 1v1 games.

Thumbless_Bot · March 23

I was half kidding. Thanks for the setups though. Builds are one of the funnest parts of the game for me. Will try them out.

@Gankform

Thumbless_Bot · March 23

KekwLord3000 wrote: »

Sorcs are way too overtuned.
Couple of suggestions.
1. Somehow limit the streak, it being able to be cast 6-7 times in a row is insane, no class can catch up to them, and if the sorc has more than 10 brain cells he will cast dark deal in between and he can streak for 30 minute straight like what???? Put idk like 3 sec delay on the streak or disable streak for 5-10 seconds after casting streak 2 times in the span of 5 seconds to not hurt pve sorcs as well.
2. Remove healing from wards, like it's a shield or a heal not both! sorcs get 1 get of jail free card called streak, well no they get 2 the ward, they can spam that shield while healing to full very OP.

Average sorc in IC 40k+ health 28k resistance 50k+ mag and hitting 5k+ with their spammble while you are on 30k resistance in what world is this fair???

I've mentioned this on a few other threads and think I would add it to your list, though not specific to sorcs. Ranged damage should be reduced the further you are from your target. It's basic risk/reward and right now it's out of balance in favor of ranged players.

Pixiepumpkin · March 23

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

KekwLord3000 wrote: »

Sorcs are way too overtuned.
Couple of suggestions.
1. Somehow limit the streak, it being able to be cast 6-7 times in a row is insane, no class can catch up to them, and if the sorc has more than 10 brain cells he will cast dark deal in between and he can streak for 30 minute straight like what???? Put idk like 3 sec delay on the streak or disable streak for 5-10 seconds after casting streak 2 times in the span of 5 seconds to not hurt pve sorcs as well.
2. Remove healing from wards, like it's a shield or a heal not both! sorcs get 1 get of jail free card called streak, well no they get 2 the ward, they can spam that shield while healing to full very OP.

Average sorc in IC 40k+ health 28k resistance 50k+ mag and hitting 5k+ with their spammble while you are on 30k resistance in what world is this fair???

I've mentioned this on a few other threads and think I would add it to your list, though not specific to sorcs. Ranged damage should be reduced the further you are from your target. It's basic risk/reward and right now it's out of balance in favor of ranged players.

I disagree for a number of reasons.

1. Generally speaking, ranged have less armor/mitigation and in toe to toe combat their damage is not as bursty as any given melee. This spans just about any MMORPG made for the...well since their inception.
2. Ranged actually have to aim and require the appropriate skillset. Melee all cleave and you only have to be in the general area. A ranged player, even in melee range has to aim, melee, again only need you to be in the general area.
3. Line of sight drastically affects ranged in a negative way and greatly benefits melee. Proof of this is World of Warcraft arena. Hunters who had little melee combat ability were the last class in representation in arena matches for a decade, and yet the class who had the most people playing it.

The reason was line of sight. Melee pillar humping absolutely kills ranged. Same happens in ESO and the maps are designed to give melee that cover.

Pixiepumpkin · March 23

KekwLord3000 wrote: »

Sorcs are way too overtuned.
Couple of suggestions.
1. Somehow limit the streak, it being able to be cast 6-7 times in a row is insane, no class can catch up to them, and if the sorc has more than 10 brain cells he will cast dark deal in between and he can streak for 30 minute straight like what???? Put idk like 3 sec delay on the streak or disable streak for 5-10 seconds after casting streak 2 times in the span of 5 seconds to not hurt pve sorcs as well.
2. Remove healing from wards, like it's a shield or a heal not both! sorcs get 1 get of jail free card called streak, well no they get 2 the ward, they can spam that shield while healing to full very OP.

Average sorc in IC 40k+ health 28k resistance 50k+ mag and hitting 5k+ with their spammble while you are on 30k resistance in what world is this fair???

Can you tell me the gearset/build that allows for 50k+ mag, 40k+ health, 28k+ resist? I run a full mag sorc and I am just at 50k, lucky to get 17k resist and sitting at 25k health. I have scoured the various ESO gear sites and calculated a myriad of armor sets and none of them in any combo give what you listed.

Vulkunne · March 23

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

KekwLord3000 wrote: »

Sorcs are way too overtuned.
Couple of suggestions.
1. Somehow limit the streak, it being able to be cast 6-7 times in a row is insane, no class can catch up to them, and if the sorc has more than 10 brain cells he will cast dark deal in between and he can streak for 30 minute straight like what???? Put idk like 3 sec delay on the streak or disable streak for 5-10 seconds after casting streak 2 times in the span of 5 seconds to not hurt pve sorcs as well.
2. Remove healing from wards, like it's a shield or a heal not both! sorcs get 1 get of jail free card called streak, well no they get 2 the ward, they can spam that shield while healing to full very OP.

Average sorc in IC 40k+ health 28k resistance 50k+ mag and hitting 5k+ with their spammble while you are on 30k resistance in what world is this fair???

Can you tell me the gearset/build that allows for 50k+ mag, 40k+ health, 28k+ resist? I run a full mag sorc and I am just at 50k, lucky to get 17k resist and sitting at 25k health. I have scoured the various ESO gear sites and calculated a myriad of armor sets and none of them in any combo give what you listed.

They said that was the 'average sorc' with those stats.

Maybe they meant a Sorc wearing Imperial Physique? But if not, I like the sound of this and can't wait for the build.

xylena_lazarow · March 23

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

Did you get an additional bar slot? I can't fit slabs on my den and can't fit scale on my dk.

Weave LA + Ele Sus at them. It's much more annoying to them than it sounds. Kills the squishy ones.

Thumbless_Bot · March 23

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

Did you get an additional bar slot? I can't fit slabs on my den and can't fit scale on my dk.

Weave LA + Ele Sus at them. It's much more annoying to them than it sounds. Kills the squishy ones.

I'm not slotting slab nor wings on my bar. Don't need it and can't afford it. Ele sus is a PitA though... for sure.

Tinkerhorn · March 23

It feels like the meta or at least in vogue playstyle for cyro this past year has been to play at range and be fairly tanky. Really doesn't make for the most engaging of gameplay and seems a little counter intuitive from a balance perspective. Sorcs are just the most capable of this playstyle. That said ward should never have received the buff it did, especially as scribing was on its way.
As much as I was initially dissapointed with the battlegrounds update, the 8v8 with all its flaws really has been an oasis for PvP.

shezof · March 23

Buff other classes to same level as sorc and nb. no more nerfs make everything viable

ercknn · March 23

Nerf damage shield size, and make it scale with max health (like dk armor skill) and reduce healing to over time.
Nerf dark deal to give resources on every attack or a little bit over time.
Or make Dark deal interruptible when already CC’d.
Make overload not give back BOTH resources.

There, now Sorc is balanced

Easy Peezy

Thumbless_Bot · March 24

It's shields plus heals plus mobility plus insane ranged damage. Sorcs have all of this and get more of it the more they build into damage. It's 100% busted right now.

The idea of balance changes is to make things overall more competitive. Zos has made balance completely go off the rails with the change to ward. It's a giant meme and probably cost zos subscriptions. The change to ward ranks up there with going live with roa as, imho, one of the worst changes in the history of this game.

Thumbless_Bot · March 24

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

KekwLord3000 wrote: »

Sorcs are way too overtuned.
Couple of suggestions.
1. Somehow limit the streak, it being able to be cast 6-7 times in a row is insane, no class can catch up to them, and if the sorc has more than 10 brain cells he will cast dark deal in between and he can streak for 30 minute straight like what???? Put idk like 3 sec delay on the streak or disable streak for 5-10 seconds after casting streak 2 times in the span of 5 seconds to not hurt pve sorcs as well.
2. Remove healing from wards, like it's a shield or a heal not both! sorcs get 1 get of jail free card called streak, well no they get 2 the ward, they can spam that shield while healing to full very OP.

Average sorc in IC 40k+ health 28k resistance 50k+ mag and hitting 5k+ with their spammble while you are on 30k resistance in what world is this fair???

I've mentioned this on a few other threads and think I would add it to your list, though not specific to sorcs. Ranged damage should be reduced the further you are from your target. It's basic risk/reward and right now it's out of balance in favor of ranged players.

I disagree for a number of reasons.

1. Generally speaking, ranged have less armor/mitigation and in toe to toe combat their damage is not as bursty as any given melee. This spans just about any MMORPG made for the...well since their inception.
2. Ranged actually have to aim and require the appropriate skillset. Melee all cleave and you only have to be in the general area. A ranged player, even in melee range has to aim, melee, again only need you to be in the general area.
3. Line of sight drastically affects ranged in a negative way and greatly benefits melee. Proof of this is World of Warcraft arena. Hunters who had little melee combat ability were the last class in representation in arena matches for a decade, and yet the class who had the most people playing it.

The reason was line of sight. Melee pillar humping absolutely kills ranged. Same happens in ESO and the maps are designed to give melee that cover.

No one runs cleave unless they are a bomber/baller or forgot to dress for pvp before queueing into, well, pvp.

Los and aiming impact both melee and ranged, unless you're running cleave... in which case you probably meant to queue for fungal grotto and not a bg, as above.

We aren't playing wow, or any other mmo. We are talking about ranged damage hitting too hard from absolute safety... is eso.

The generalization doesn't apply to sorcs because of the broken change to ward. They don't need as much armor because they have an effective increase to their health bar that also acts as a burst heal, WHERE THE SHIELD GET STRONGER THE STRONGER THE SORC GETS. Sorc is absurdly broken right now

silky_soft · March 24

Remove the range buff from battlespirit.
Just like vamp there needs to be a trade off. The base cost of skills should increase by 8% while blocking casting or having an active NON ULTIMATE shield.
No shields should scale off magika or stamina.
Streak needs to be limited to max sprint speed.

Spacefish2323 · March 24

I like many of my characters of all classes, but Magsorc was my first and been my main since 2014. I refuse to use Streak out of principle. They can nerf it into the ground for all I care.

I just dont think it will be ever well balanced in a game like ESO with no cooldowns except the GCD, even with the stacking cost. WV set creeped sustain power up so hard its trivial in a CP pvp enviroment, and still one of the strongest skills in the game in no-CP.

katanagirl1 · March 24

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

It's shields plus heals plus mobility plus insane ranged damage. Sorcs have all of this and get more of it the more they build into damage. It's 100% busted right now.

The idea of balance changes is to make things overall more competitive. Zos has made balance completely go off the rails with the change to ward. It's a giant meme and probably cost zos subscriptions. The change to ward ranks up there with going live with roa as, imho, one of the worst changes in the history of this game.

I have a PvP magsorc, and I don’t quite understand how hardened ward is so overpowered. It only lasts for like 2 seconds. I have it, I use it, I still die a lot. There are plenty of other players who can steamroll right over me in the blink of an eye. I’m not trolling, I am asking an honest question. I can remember when I used it in PvE a long time ago and it was 8 seconds or something.

It seems like the same argument that was used to nerf nightblade’s cloak. Everyone said how powerful it was but it only lasted 2 seconds (before they changed it). Now cloak is hard for my PvE stamblade but I bet a PvP magblade is able to do well with it now.

Yudo · March 24

The idea of getting dps, shield, heal and larger pool with one resource is a bit odd...
They did not just add heal to shields, they also changed passives for non-pet sorcs to gain 10% magicka amplifying the rest even more.

huskandhunger · March 24

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Hi Zos,

Would we have any updates we can share with the community as to plans relating to class balance in PVP? Has Sorcerer been looked at or planned to take a pass through respective to each class?

Rogue_Coyote · March 24

Lol sorc is fine. We need to nerf Rush, fear, and spin to win

Thumbless_Bot · March 24

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

It's shields plus heals plus mobility plus insane ranged damage. Sorcs have all of this and get more of it the more they build into damage. It's 100% busted right now.

The idea of balance changes is to make things overall more competitive. Zos has made balance completely go off the rails with the change to ward. It's a giant meme and probably cost zos subscriptions. The change to ward ranks up there with going live with roa as, imho, one of the worst changes in the history of this game.

I have a PvP magsorc, and I don’t quite understand how hardened ward is so overpowered. It only lasts for like 2 seconds. I have it, I use it, I still die a lot. There are plenty of other players who can steamroll right over me in the blink of an eye. I’m not trolling, I am asking an honest question. I can remember when I used it in PvE a long time ago and it was 8 seconds or something.

It seems like the same argument that was used to nerf nightblade’s cloak. Everyone said how powerful it was but it only lasted 2 seconds (before they changed it). Now cloak is hard for my PvE stamblade but I bet a PvP magblade is able to do well with it now.

You raise a good point. It's, not just ward. At least i dont think it is. It's the entire kit. I tried alluding to that above. I don't know if nerfing ward is the answer to be honest, but that one change made sorcs unbalanced in pvp. So it's easy to point to that change. Ideally shields wouldn't scale with magicka. It's like having a car that increased in mpg the harder you pushed the accelerator down. It just doesn't make sense.

Joy_Division · March 24

KekwLord3000 wrote: »

Sorcs are way too overtuned.
Couple of suggestions.
1. Somehow limit the streak, it being able to be cast 6-7 times in a row is insane, no class can catch up to them, and if the sorc has more than 10 brain cells he will cast dark deal in between and he can streak for 30 minute straight like what???? Put idk like 3 sec delay on the streak or disable streak for 5-10 seconds after casting streak 2 times in the span of 5 seconds to not hurt pve sorcs as well.
2. Remove healing from wards, like it's a shield or a heal not both! sorcs get 1 get of jail free card called streak, well no they get 2 the ward, they can spam that shield while healing to full very OP.

Average sorc in IC 40k+ health 28k resistance 50k+ mag and hitting 5k+ with their spammble while you are on 30k resistance in what world is this fair???

Stoooooooooooooooooooooooooooop.

If the other classes are awkward, ill conceived, clunky, over-nerfed, uninteresting, dull, insipid, weak, etc., why is the solution "nerf streak"?

Really? How is that going to make Arcanist something I am genuinely excited to bring into Cyrodiil?

moo_2021 · March 24

silky_soft wrote: »

Remove the range buff from battlespirit.

What was the idea behind range buff?