Rule one of eso pvp - don’t take it too seriously.

Everyday people rage at dieing to different classes.. it’s a messy unbalanced pvp environment, it’s always been like this and to be honest if it was perfectly balanced it wouldn’t nearly be as much fun as it is/has been in the past.

Classes get nerfed into non existence and others get buffed into eliteness.. crazy sets get added (mostly broken proc sets) the good players find a way to keep the game fun or alternatively if the changes are too much for them they will just quit/take a break for a different game which is perfectly fine.

Just see eso PvP for what it is and you will enjoy it way more. Play all the classes and get an idea of how they work, try out the builds and classes you think are broken as you might be surprised they aren’t as easy to be good at as you think.

no one cares if you are good or bad at this game, specially in PvP

a_u_s_t_y wrote: »

Rule one of eso pvp - don’t take it too seriously.

Everyday people rage at dieing to different classes.. it’s a messy unbalanced pvp environment, it’s always been like this and to be honest if it was perfectly balanced it wouldn’t nearly be as much fun as it is/has been in the past.

Classes get nerfed into non existence and others get buffed into eliteness.. crazy sets get added (mostly broken proc sets) the good players find a way to keep the game fun or alternatively if the changes are too much for them they will just quit/take a break for a different game which is perfectly fine.

Just see eso PvP for what it is and you will enjoy it way more. Play all the classes and get an idea of how they work, try out the builds and classes you think are broken as you might be surprised they aren’t as easy to be good at as you think.

no one cares if you are good or bad at this game, specially in PvP

PVP is dying cos of sorcs, THATS it. cos combo of STREAK+DMG shield, is insane BS which should not exist. other classes are more less equal now, even DKs, but sorcs are just too much.

EDIT: Tell me one class that can beat sorc in 1v1 ? such class dont exist ...

a_u_s_t_y wrote: »

What is it with people on this game making up random facts with zero support.

I could say: PVP is dying cause of Necros, THATS it. - doesn’t make it a fact

PvP isn’t dying cause of sorcs, PvP engagement fluctuates because the main area for PvP hasn’t changed since release.. Cyro has been Cyro.. it gets boring eventually for everyone, people try new games and never come back or they come back after a few months

Facts ? go play some BGs, you can see facts there, same as you can see all PVP areas completely empty, YES mostly cos no one had nerves to eternally fight sorcs, and usually just gives up and let them kill you in cyro, cos even if you get them to low HP, you can never rly catch them. Whole PVP mechanics is simply BAD, its not about ppl getting bored as you say, normal ppl wont have any fun of those braindead fights in cyro, where only thing you need is a group of 5-10 ppl and you can melt anyone there, especially cos most ppl are just randoms who wants to do some PVP and chill, which is impossible, cos you just get into on of those dumb fights and you have enough right away, THATS FACT, no one wants to play such BS.

Graphics or idk youre mentioning is the problem you think ? ok bro, keep your opinion, ill keep mine. You can ask anyone in-game, most ppl tells you they dont play PVP at all, cos it sucks, mechanics is simply BAD, it has nothing to do with graphics lol.

For me, im done with PVP, cos its dead, last few days 3+ minutes waiting for a match just to get kicked cos NOT ENOUGH PLAYERS, and when you get into match finally, guess what, youre melted by 2500CP+ sorcs, or enemy team has arcanist healer, GAME OVER, incredible fun, and you says ppl dont want to play pvp cos of graphics bro, ppl are leaving from pve content too COS of this PVP mechanics, cos endgame everywhere is simply PVP, and well, this PVP is a disaster. And even if ppl come back, they came just for events/new content, and right after its finished pfff 80% of community is gone.

Someone in this thread got touched by Sorc one time too often....

StaticWave youre surely 100% magsorc main, cos its actually funny how you defending OP sorc still xD.

If sorc is not completely dumb, NO OTHER CLASS can have a chance, only DK maybe, but if sorc is noot dumb, he can get away from fight to recover and come back, cos DK have no chance to catch him.
sorc still HAVE the best passives in the game, and if right build, a comically easy rotation it has incredible sustain, good enough to bo almost immortal, with streak spell, letting you get away anytime, in any direction, it makes sorc LITERALLY immortal.

You forgot to mention that cos of dmg shield, you have 100% crit immunity, which means for example NB which is CRIT CLASS, does nothing, so crit passives are 80% useless in fights, you only need to keep up shield, auto-attack- dodge - shield - heal and meanwhile using streak, which sucks whole stam bar in few seconds cos every like 4 seconds you have to use breakfree on other classes.

STREAK IS A PROBLEM, its OP spell even without stun, with its stun its just gamebreaking. You are shielded, have enough heals, YOURE KEEPING you stamina just for dodges/sprint only, which gives you just another advantage, especially while you can have other source dmg still, even when youre running away,

I saw your topic on forum, about making sorc MORE tanky ? You cant be serious about this one, other classes are leaving PVP completely, from a big part cos of sorcs, and you even want to boost them ? [snip] ....

This games PVP is dying, and only solution is to REMOVE DMG shields from pvp, reducing SELF-healing done by another % and taking stun from sorcs STREAK spell, theres literally no other problem in PVP now, and most classes are equal ... Sorcs shoudlnt be strongest class in the game lol, BALANCE is only way to keep PVP playable, but i guess most of OLD players who likes this dumb mechanics cos like 80% of them playing sorcs, wouldnt be happy about it.

But its up to devs, if they want to keep few hundreds happy and let this game die after a while, or they actually want to balance this game to make it playable.
Sorc is most unbalanced class is the game, with way too good everything, and what you said that NB can kill sorc in 1v1, bro im playing NB long enough to know, and if sorc is not dumb, NB has no chance, same as any other class, from big part cos of eternal 100% crit dmg resistance shields giving, while you as sorc can still hit critic, even with full HP stat char, your dmg is not even halved, i hit lets say 4k to you with zero chance for crit, you hit 2,5k to me with CHANCE to crit which means same or even bigger dmg than me as a DD while you have all your deffs/shields/heal, even in cyro, sometimes whole zerg is chasing down one sorc for 5 minutes to kill him, so [snip] youre talking about bro ...

Btw im done saying anything, cos its just a waste of time, if devs wont wake up, this games PVP is done definitely, which means way too many new players to just leave this game, when they find out about its dumb PVP mechanics, OR even better, if they try one BG to see it for themselves, Its usually unplayable to me, with understanding of mechanics rotations, knowledge of spells and how PVP works overally, while wearing best sets possible,so i can imagine how much FUN it is for new players lol.

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Wallar333 wrote: »

StaticWave youre surely 100% magsorc main, cos its actually funny how you defending OP sorc still xD.

If sorc is not completely dumb, NO OTHER CLASS can have a chance, only DK maybe, but if sorc is noot dumb, he can get away from fight to recover and come back, cos DK have no chance to catch him.
sorc still HAVE the best passives in the game, and if right build, a comically easy rotation it has incredible sustain, good enough to bo almost immortal, with streak spell, letting you get away anytime, in any direction, it makes sorc LITERALLY immortal.

You forgot to mention that cos of dmg shield, you have 100% crit immunity, which means for example NB which is CRIT CLASS, does nothing, so crit passives are 80% useless in fights, you only need to keep up shield, auto-attack- dodge - shield - heal and meanwhile using streak, which sucks whole stam bar in few seconds cos every like 4 seconds you have to use breakfree on other classes.

STREAK IS A PROBLEM, its OP spell even without stun, with its stun its just gamebreaking. You are shielded, have enough heals, YOURE KEEPING you stamina just for dodges/sprint only, which gives you just another advantage, especially while you can have other source dmg still, even when youre running away,

I saw your topic on forum, about making sorc MORE tanky ? You cant be serious about this one, other classes are leaving PVP completely, from a big part cos of sorcs, and you even want to boost them ? [snip] ....

This games PVP is dying, and only solution is to REMOVE DMG shields from pvp, reducing SELF-healing done by another % and taking stun from sorcs STREAK spell, theres literally no other problem in PVP now, and most classes are equal ... Sorcs shoudlnt be strongest class in the game lol, BALANCE is only way to keep PVP playable, but i guess most of OLD players who likes this dumb mechanics cos like 80% of them playing sorcs, wouldnt be happy about it.

But its up to devs, if they want to keep few hundreds happy and let this game die after a while, or they actually want to balance this game to make it playable.
Sorc is most unbalanced class is the game, with way too good everything, and what you said that NB can kill sorc in 1v1, bro im playing NB long enough to know, and if sorc is not dumb, NB has no chance, same as any other class, from big part cos of eternal 100% crit dmg resistance shields giving, while you as sorc can still hit critic, even with full HP stat char, your dmg is not even halved, i hit lets say 4k to you with zero chance for crit, you hit 2,5k to me with CHANCE to crit which means same or even bigger dmg than me as a DD while you have all your deffs/shields/heal, even in cyro, sometimes whole zerg is chasing down one sorc for 5 minutes to kill him, so [snip] youre talking about bro ...

Btw im done saying anything, cos its just a waste of time, if devs wont wake up, this games PVP is done definitely, which means way too many new players to just leave this game, when they find out about its dumb PVP mechanics, OR even better, if they try one BG to see it for themselves, Its usually unplayable to me, with understanding of mechanics rotations, knowledge of spells and how PVP works overally, while wearing best sets possible,so i can imagine how much FUN it is for new players lol.

StaticWave is a Stamsorc thinking Stamsorc is the supposed way to play sorcerer despite sorcerer beeing another word for mage and sorcery beeing the mag version of brutality. Therefore he wants to nerf mag stacking and hardened ward to nerf mage but defend or buff any skills a stamsorc is using.


Selfhealing is much weaker than crosshealstacking and should not get specific nerfs.
Shields were practically nonexistent before arcanist was released and hardened ward was also rarely used despite having been a class defining skill long ago before heal was added. Without heal hardened ward is bad as before. Except for sorc and recently nerfed arcanist who are the only classes regulary using shields it is mainly ballgroups using arcanist and scribing multitarget shields and ballgroup tools should get nerfed anyway. Other 5 classes are not using shields and other shield skills are not viable like light armor or healing staff one.

Streak did not prevent sorcerer from beeing almost as bad as templar/necro 2 years ago and was not buffed since so it did not make sorc too strong, only got problematic because sorc received other buffs.

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Wallar333 wrote: »

StaticWave youre surely 100% magsorc main, cos its actually funny how you defending OP sorc still xD.

If sorc is not completely dumb, NO OTHER CLASS can have a chance, only DK maybe, but if sorc is noot dumb, he can get away from fight to recover and come back, cos DK have no chance to catch him.
sorc still HAVE the best passives in the game, and if right build, a comically easy rotation it has incredible sustain, good enough to bo almost immortal, with streak spell, letting you get away anytime, in any direction, it makes sorc LITERALLY immortal.

You forgot to mention that cos of dmg shield, you have 100% crit immunity, which means for example NB which is CRIT CLASS, does nothing, so crit passives are 80% useless in fights, you only need to keep up shield, auto-attack- dodge - shield - heal and meanwhile using streak, which sucks whole stam bar in few seconds cos every like 4 seconds you have to use breakfree on other classes.

STREAK IS A PROBLEM, its OP spell even without stun, with its stun its just gamebreaking. You are shielded, have enough heals, YOURE KEEPING you stamina just for dodges/sprint only, which gives you just another advantage, especially while you can have other source dmg still, even when youre running away,

I saw your topic on forum, about making sorc MORE tanky ? You cant be serious about this one, other classes are leaving PVP completely, from a big part cos of sorcs, and you even want to boost them ? [snip] ....

This games PVP is dying, and only solution is to REMOVE DMG shields from pvp, reducing SELF-healing done by another % and taking stun from sorcs STREAK spell, theres literally no other problem in PVP now, and most classes are equal ... Sorcs shoudlnt be strongest class in the game lol, BALANCE is only way to keep PVP playable, but i guess most of OLD players who likes this dumb mechanics cos like 80% of them playing sorcs, wouldnt be happy about it.

But its up to devs, if they want to keep few hundreds happy and let this game die after a while, or they actually want to balance this game to make it playable.
Sorc is most unbalanced class is the game, with way too good everything, and what you said that NB can kill sorc in 1v1, bro im playing NB long enough to know, and if sorc is not dumb, NB has no chance, same as any other class, from big part cos of eternal 100% crit dmg resistance shields giving, while you as sorc can still hit critic, even with full HP stat char, your dmg is not even halved, i hit lets say 4k to you with zero chance for crit, you hit 2,5k to me with CHANCE to crit which means same or even bigger dmg than me as a DD while you have all your deffs/shields/heal, even in cyro, sometimes whole zerg is chasing down one sorc for 5 minutes to kill him, so [snip] youre talking about bro ...

Btw im done saying anything, cos its just a waste of time, if devs wont wake up, this games PVP is done definitely, which means way too many new players to just leave this game, when they find out about its dumb PVP mechanics, OR even better, if they try one BG to see it for themselves, Its usually unplayable to me, with understanding of mechanics rotations, knowledge of spells and how PVP works overally, while wearing best sets possible,so i can imagine how much FUN it is for new players lol.

Bro, shields got changed ages ago in regard of crit immunity.
Ppl hinted you now multiple times how to deal with streak as a NB. You have similar capabilities and more single target damage available....time to question ys on which end the issue lies within.

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I am confused by some messages here. Does anyone still believes that sorcs are in a good state currently compared to other classes?

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

Wallar333 wrote: »

StaticWave youre surely 100% magsorc main, cos its actually funny how you defending OP sorc still xD.

If sorc is not completely dumb, NO OTHER CLASS can have a chance, only DK maybe, but if sorc is noot dumb, he can get away from fight to recover and come back, cos DK have no chance to catch him.
sorc still HAVE the best passives in the game, and if right build, a comically easy rotation it has incredible sustain, good enough to bo almost immortal, with streak spell, letting you get away anytime, in any direction, it makes sorc LITERALLY immortal.

You forgot to mention that cos of dmg shield, you have 100% crit immunity, which means for example NB which is CRIT CLASS, does nothing, so crit passives are 80% useless in fights, you only need to keep up shield, auto-attack- dodge - shield - heal and meanwhile using streak, which sucks whole stam bar in few seconds cos every like 4 seconds you have to use breakfree on other classes.

STREAK IS A PROBLEM, its OP spell even without stun, with its stun its just gamebreaking. You are shielded, have enough heals, YOURE KEEPING you stamina just for dodges/sprint only, which gives you just another advantage, especially while you can have other source dmg still, even when youre running away,

I saw your topic on forum, about making sorc MORE tanky ? You cant be serious about this one, other classes are leaving PVP completely, from a big part cos of sorcs, and you even want to boost them ? [snip] ....

This games PVP is dying, and only solution is to REMOVE DMG shields from pvp, reducing SELF-healing done by another % and taking stun from sorcs STREAK spell, theres literally no other problem in PVP now, and most classes are equal ... Sorcs shoudlnt be strongest class in the game lol, BALANCE is only way to keep PVP playable, but i guess most of OLD players who likes this dumb mechanics cos like 80% of them playing sorcs, wouldnt be happy about it.

But its up to devs, if they want to keep few hundreds happy and let this game die after a while, or they actually want to balance this game to make it playable.
Sorc is most unbalanced class is the game, with way too good everything, and what you said that NB can kill sorc in 1v1, bro im playing NB long enough to know, and if sorc is not dumb, NB has no chance, same as any other class, from big part cos of eternal 100% crit dmg resistance shields giving, while you as sorc can still hit critic, even with full HP stat char, your dmg is not even halved, i hit lets say 4k to you with zero chance for crit, you hit 2,5k to me with CHANCE to crit which means same or even bigger dmg than me as a DD while you have all your deffs/shields/heal, even in cyro, sometimes whole zerg is chasing down one sorc for 5 minutes to kill him, so [snip] youre talking about bro ...

Btw im done saying anything, cos its just a waste of time, if devs wont wake up, this games PVP is done definitely, which means way too many new players to just leave this game, when they find out about its dumb PVP mechanics, OR even better, if they try one BG to see it for themselves, Its usually unplayable to me, with understanding of mechanics rotations, knowledge of spells and how PVP works overally, while wearing best sets possible,so i can imagine how much FUN it is for new players lol.

Bro, shields got changed ages ago in regard of crit immunity.
Ppl hinted you now multiple times how to deal with streak as a NB. You have similar capabilities and more single target damage available....time to question ys on which end the issue lies within.

If they changed mechanics for shield to be crited, then its even more BS mechanics, cos even with crits its impossible to do any dmg ... Your noob post about on which end is the problem is funny, PVP is dead in this game, its not about me or you, its about games mechanics, and thats actually broken, if you think otherwise, well, be happy to be one of those inteligents supporting the illnes of this game, which will result in its death.
Those ppl hints you says, are a total BS lol, using shadow image againt STREAK ? you cant be serious about comparing two completely different spells, especially when shadow imago does almost no dmg, COSTS a bambilion rss you need to actually do some dmg, it teleports you to just one spot, while also NOT GIVING ANY CC unlike STREAK, so HEY, wake up ... That spell is useless in direct fight. Cos youve seen some dumb video on YT how some noob killed some noobs with it in fight like 1vX it doesnt mean its usefull, i can also kill 1vX ppl, maybe even naked sometimes, not once in BGs or cyro i won fights 1v3 or even more, but it mostly wasnt cos im good, or spells are OP, but cos those ppl were wearing some ***** and got around 6k hits without crits. So keep this crap.

NB has a bit better dmg, but its harder to play, youre always close range, so you MUST wear some deffs, otherwise you die the exact moment when leaves invis, and you have CCs only on ultimates, cos you need spell slots for DMG/bufss and few heals, theres literally no space where to put mass hysteria if you rly want to play playable build. As a solo player, you need all slots for DMG, and STILL, you wont ever kill magsorc, cos his every 4 sec stun, on which every 4 seconds you have to spend few K of stamina on for breakfree drains you out of rss in no time, while also he can easily keep distance, using dodges, ALL NB dmg can be dodged, and its verry easy to dodge 90% of NBs spells, only merciless resolve is harder, cos its instant, but it wont kill anyone one shot or idk what youre thinking.

A combination of stun/dmg and any direction teleport ALL IN ONE, is verry OP, AND THIS ONE with combination to other sorc spells, especially dmg shields and stamina reserve to use just rolldodges makes them UNKILLABLE, if there are more of them crosshealing, and EVEN better one arcanist healer, its literally a PVP grave. If you think its ok, see empty pvp in this game, theres your answer, stay happy with current state then.

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I think Streak is mostly fine (I've seen it do not-insignificant damage sometimes, so *maybe* that could be touched on, but eh). Just for the gap closing/making area of play, I think it's a lot of other skills that are too weak. Normally I wouldn't be for buffing a whole bunch of stuff instead of nerfing a single thing, but gap closers in ESO really do leave a lot to be desired. Streak makes for a really good, flexible tool because it doesn't require a target. It gap closes, it gap makes, it CCs, the CC is unblockable, it deals damage, and all in AoE. The 2h gap closer, 1h/shield one, etc, all pale in comparison - and they should to some extent, but I think it's worth noting and hopefully changing that Streak gives sorc a *very* strong, condensed skill that other classes have to make up for because gap closer skills are usually lackluster. Imo, this is partially why we see race against time basically everywhere - because it's as close as anyone can get to streak. Snare cleanse, damage boost, speed boost. It's not a dedicated gap closer skill that's basically useless everywhere else.

I wouldn't expect skills like Stampede to suddenly be ground targeted (although they would be hella cool, melee 2h users deserve a Heroic Leap like skill...), but bringing up underperforming gap closer skills would help close the gap (heh) in the melee vs ranged sorc/x issue. Like what if gap closers flipped to a melee-only skill once in melee range? Outside the minimum range, cap closer. Inside the minimum range, some thematically appropriate skill.

I think most issues with sorc are more nuanced like this. I'm not particularly bothered by sorc doing nukes from ranged, my beef is that I'm at a heavy skill slot disadvantage if I slot a dedicated gap closer to deal with Streak. I don't mind that ranged damage is possible, but as melee I've got it rough since 'my' damage in melee isn't really any better than ranged damage, which could be fixed by something something like buffing the heck out of the physical damage status effect and increasing status effect proc chances of all melee skills (and I pretend for a moment that ranged physical damage skills don't exist, change 'em all to bleed/poison/disease damage or something).

The ward heal very obviously should just be reduced and moved to regenerative ward/removed completely, but ultimately it probably isn't really making a massive difference. Sorc has some passives that definitely need some love, but as do other classes. Everyone has a few skills that are dead in the water for whatever reason or have useless stuff tacked on, like sorc's Rune Cage. Good CC, but it has a 'does damage if stun lasts the full duration' which is...Well, it's never gonna last the full duration, or if it does it won't matter.

Sorc feels too strong, but imo it's partially a result of power creep that benefitted sorc more than other classes, as for example mag sorc used to run a bunch of LA pieces, etcetc, and had low armor/health, but now they can have their thicc wards and health has creeped up. So their previous weakness is covered more than other classes.

Let's not blame sorcs for all our problems. Just some of them.

Wallar333 wrote: »

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

Wallar333 wrote: »

StaticWave youre surely 100% magsorc main, cos its actually funny how you defending OP sorc still xD.

If sorc is not completely dumb, NO OTHER CLASS can have a chance, only DK maybe, but if sorc is noot dumb, he can get away from fight to recover and come back, cos DK have no chance to catch him.
sorc still HAVE the best passives in the game, and if right build, a comically easy rotation it has incredible sustain, good enough to bo almost immortal, with streak spell, letting you get away anytime, in any direction, it makes sorc LITERALLY immortal.

You forgot to mention that cos of dmg shield, you have 100% crit immunity, which means for example NB which is CRIT CLASS, does nothing, so crit passives are 80% useless in fights, you only need to keep up shield, auto-attack- dodge - shield - heal and meanwhile using streak, which sucks whole stam bar in few seconds cos every like 4 seconds you have to use breakfree on other classes.

STREAK IS A PROBLEM, its OP spell even without stun, with its stun its just gamebreaking. You are shielded, have enough heals, YOURE KEEPING you stamina just for dodges/sprint only, which gives you just another advantage, especially while you can have other source dmg still, even when youre running away,

I saw your topic on forum, about making sorc MORE tanky ? You cant be serious about this one, other classes are leaving PVP completely, from a big part cos of sorcs, and you even want to boost them ? [snip] ....

This games PVP is dying, and only solution is to REMOVE DMG shields from pvp, reducing SELF-healing done by another % and taking stun from sorcs STREAK spell, theres literally no other problem in PVP now, and most classes are equal ... Sorcs shoudlnt be strongest class in the game lol, BALANCE is only way to keep PVP playable, but i guess most of OLD players who likes this dumb mechanics cos like 80% of them playing sorcs, wouldnt be happy about it.

But its up to devs, if they want to keep few hundreds happy and let this game die after a while, or they actually want to balance this game to make it playable.
Sorc is most unbalanced class is the game, with way too good everything, and what you said that NB can kill sorc in 1v1, bro im playing NB long enough to know, and if sorc is not dumb, NB has no chance, same as any other class, from big part cos of eternal 100% crit dmg resistance shields giving, while you as sorc can still hit critic, even with full HP stat char, your dmg is not even halved, i hit lets say 4k to you with zero chance for crit, you hit 2,5k to me with CHANCE to crit which means same or even bigger dmg than me as a DD while you have all your deffs/shields/heal, even in cyro, sometimes whole zerg is chasing down one sorc for 5 minutes to kill him, so [snip] youre talking about bro ...

Btw im done saying anything, cos its just a waste of time, if devs wont wake up, this games PVP is done definitely, which means way too many new players to just leave this game, when they find out about its dumb PVP mechanics, OR even better, if they try one BG to see it for themselves, Its usually unplayable to me, with understanding of mechanics rotations, knowledge of spells and how PVP works overally, while wearing best sets possible,so i can imagine how much FUN it is for new players lol.

Bro, shields got changed ages ago in regard of crit immunity.
Ppl hinted you now multiple times how to deal with streak as a NB. You have similar capabilities and more single target damage available....time to question ys on which end the issue lies within.

If they changed mechanics for shield to be crited, then its even more BS mechanics, cos even with crits its impossible to do any dmg ... Your noob post about on which end is the problem is funny, PVP is dead in this game, its not about me or you, its about games mechanics, and thats actually broken, if you think otherwise, well, be happy to be one of those inteligents supporting the illnes of this game, which will result in its death.
Those ppl hints you says, are a total BS lol, using shadow image againt STREAK ? you cant be serious about comparing two completely different spells, especially when shadow imago does almost no dmg, COSTS a bambilion rss you need to actually do some dmg, it teleports you to just one spot, while also NOT GIVING ANY CC unlike STREAK, so HEY, wake up ... That spell is useless in direct fight. Cos youve seen some dumb video on YT how some noob killed some noobs with it in fight like 1vX it doesnt mean its usefull, i can also kill 1vX ppl, maybe even naked sometimes, not once in BGs or cyro i won fights 1v3 or even more, but it mostly wasnt cos im good, or spells are OP, but cos those ppl were wearing some ***** and got around 6k hits without crits. So keep this crap.

NB has a bit better dmg, but its harder to play, youre always close range, so you MUST wear some deffs, otherwise you die the exact moment when leaves invis, and you have CCs only on ultimates, cos you need spell slots for DMG/bufss and few heals, theres literally no space where to put mass hysteria if you rly want to play playable build. As a solo player, you need all slots for DMG, and STILL, you wont ever kill magsorc, cos his every 4 sec stun, on which every 4 seconds you have to spend few K of stamina on for breakfree drains you out of rss in no time, while also he can easily keep distance, using dodges, ALL NB dmg can be dodged, and its verry easy to dodge 90% of NBs spells, only merciless resolve is harder, cos its instant, but it wont kill anyone one shot or idk what youre thinking.

A combination of stun/dmg and any direction teleport ALL IN ONE, is verry OP, AND THIS ONE with combination to other sorc spells, especially dmg shields and stamina reserve to use just rolldodges makes them UNKILLABLE, if there are more of them crosshealing, and EVEN better one arcanist healer, its literally a PVP grave. If you think its ok, see empty pvp in this game, theres your answer, stay happy with current state then.

Dude it seems you're lacking basic combat knowledge like the duration of hard CC immunity.
How to take you serious then?

PvP deterioates bc ppl are upset with core combat philosophy.....damage and healing scaling off the same stat....what a big brain move. Infinite crossheal stacking, yap seems fine to me sir. The netcode and server performance from hell - Wrobel admitted it and had to leave.

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StaticWave wrote: »

Tcholl wrote: »

I am confused by some messages here. Does anyone still believes that sorcs are in a good state currently compared to other classes?

No, I think everybody is aware that Sorc is over-performing. I haven’t seen a single message here that said otherwise.

I think what I and a few people are trying to say is that Sorc is not as broken as the OP made it out to be. The objective issue of the class is Hardened Ward turning Sorc into a nigh unkillable class. It’s not Streak, damage, or class passives making Sorc broken.

I mostly agree with you here, i dont have a problem with sorcs passives, previously i said they are better than some other classes, which is truth in PVP, since for example NBs crits wont do much, cos ppl are wearing too much rallying cry sets and putting impen into builds, sometimes usually theres not much difference in normal/crit dmg.

As i mentioned before, its mostly bad mechanics, from which sorcs are benefiting the most, class itself could be actually ok, but now, they are simply unkillable, with also having the best pvp spell in the game, which streak definitely is. I dont mind sorcs dmg, i mind sorcs crazy resists/heals atop of infinite half bar shields.
I still insist on taking streaks stun off tho, rather give it more dmg, or put some status effect on it or something, but stun is just way too OP.

Some ppl got touched cos i said streak should not be in the game, i ment it in current state, not removing it completely, its still verry OP skill anyway, and would still be, even without stun. Trurh is, i actually got pissed, cos those encounters with sorcs are truly something, literally killing any fun of PVP in this game, and it actually pushed me to leave pvp for good, when i see whole enemy team half bar shielded right at the start of BG for example, and i get streak stunned in first three seconds, im just leaving, cos its a waste of time. Especially in 8v8 where game is mixing random groups with organised ones, which EVEN bigger BS.

Wallar333 wrote: »

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

Dude it seems you're lacking basic combat knowledge like the duration of hard CC immunity.
How to take you serious then?

PvP deterioates bc ppl are upset with core combat philosophy.....damage and healing scaling off the same stat....what a big brain move. Infinite crossheal stacking, yap seems fine to me sir. The netcode and server performance from hell - Wrobel admitted it and had to leave.

They changed it through years maybe, it used to be 4 or 5 seconds, so even if they changed it, then how is it now ? 6 or 7 ? makes no difference about streaks OP stun anyway, so who cares about one or two seconds. I agree this scaling is incredible ***, which is major problem of the whole game mechanics, but i dont expect ZOS to do anything about it after 10 years, so not even worth discussing it. Game is soaked with heals, always was, but giving DMG shields atop of that is just crazy. For example when you jump on a group without shields, put them under CC, do some dmg to them, then even healers are saving themselves first usually after breakfree, so SOMEONE is gonna die, or at least, theres MUCH bigger probability for it.With dmg shields, you jump there, CC them, does NOTHING, cos their health is shielded, you waste your rss, and even if you manage to break at least one shield and even get someone to below 50%, they use pot/get heal and they are shielded in a second, so using execute in pvp now ? almost not a chance, i was actually thinking about throwing it away to slot mass hysteria few times.
No need to argue, this games mechanics is simpy verry bad, thats what EVERYONE should agree with, and as i said milion times before, sorcs are benefiting the most from it. This games mechanics looks completely like it was made purely for PVE, and then some intelligent got an ENORMOUS brain storm to put PVP in it, and this is how it ended.

ESO was designed as mass pvp with themepark PvE attached to it at first.
Due to massive cheating the combat calcs had to be changed in most cases to be serverside (ofc you can do many unintended things as long as you account for the periodic serversided checks on divers parameters LOL).
That happened with a "bandaid" update without addjusting the server structure accordingly.
At that point the downward spiral for PvP started....sure there had been some better and worse updates but the devs focus shifted to PvE bc fashion and housing shop income from the PvE Andys are responsible for a steady income.
Whatever they tried to improve the performance, like lower the pop cap, deleting huntable game etc., didn't work out in the end. One reason might be the bloated code where everyone and his mother at ZoS seems added lines to it.
Cyro used to be an epic mass PvP experience....just sadge what it became nowadays.