htoncic wrote: »

I don't mind gold sellers/buyers because they literally don't affect me at all. On the other hand, I don't craft so I need to buy stuff from other players. If people are willing to give all that for free, though, go ahead, remove gold from the game.

BenjaminKacher_ESO wrote: »

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

I think we can all agree that the Gold spammers/sellers are out of hand. Just a thought...what would happen if they just take gold out of the game completely? Make it so that all things must be crafted. This would mean that you could no longer buy anything. No gold=No gold sellers? Come to think of it...the only time, and I mean ONLY time I spend money is to fix my armor. Thoughts?

They would become commodity sellers, selling the best gear/upgrade mats/anything else that's valuable instead of gold sellers. Trust me, they would still exist all you'd be doing is changing the currency they use.

See DIABLO 2 for evidence of this.

If that's the case...which it probably is, I would be ok with no trading and no gold. Like it or not, crafting is at the core of MMOs and RPGs in general. Most if not all players, are at, or reaching v1+ so what is there to do anyway lol

Dita wrote: »

Xaegoth wrote: »

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As long as there is SOMETHING to trade, whether it is gold or not...the bots would farm that item...

^ Absolutely, Positively - this ! ^

So...remove the trading...problem solved? lol

From quests and other activities (ie dark anchors, dungeons etc) and perhaps some achievements, have the gathering of some form of Recognition Tokens that will allow the player to head to the city and use them on the alliance armory and purchase gear according to his/her class that is bound on character or bound on account.

Ok then... speaking about gold sellers... Why don't they just go after the gold sellers websites? They advertise them all the time, it would be easy to track down the owners. I'm sure they are breaking the TOS of the hosting providers somehow! lol

Dita wrote: »

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

...If there is something in a game that you want...then you work for it until you get it. That easy.

The "luck" aspect, I was talking about - you might have missed it.

Nope lol didn't miss it. All games with loot involve luck. Who says all players are entitled to all things? So what if you play a game for months and don't find exactly what you want? Good thing you can just craft it.

Kallion wrote: »

From quests and other activities (ie dark anchors, dungeons etc) and perhaps some achievements, have the gathering of some form of Recognition Tokens that will allow the player to head to the city and use them on the alliance armory and purchase gear according to his/her class that is bound on character or bound on account.

Same thing. You remove possibility of trading between people. Either we can trade, and then there are bots and gold sellers. Or we cannot trade, and then it is a very limited environment where you are forced to do certain things to get gear, somewhat like follow these steps FPS instead of free form RPG.

I rather have borrowers and lenders...

axiod wrote: »

ttwinklerub17_ESO wrote: »

if they can't trade or gift the gold or items they have no business model
(like how do they get the goods to a user - not possible)

this will reduce a good chunk of them over the long haul

then what we need is a Auction house and guild stores

I believe this is called a "single player game" when this happens..

Umm just to make sure everyone understands what a single player game is...it's when you play a game and no other players are there...it doesnt have anything to do with money or trading...

The gold sellers would just end up saling the crafting materials at that point... they already are i'm sure

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

Umm just to make sure everyone understands what a single player game is...it's when you play a game and no other players are there...it doesnt have anything to do with money or trading...

Trading is part of the mmo experience, you're pretty much advocating that they make this less mmo and more like a single player game. That was the point he was making.

It's actually worse. Single player games have money. I understand getting rid of money or trading, wrong headed though it may be, but eliminating both breaks the game.

You couldn't just craft anything you wanted. What about consumables like soul gems or rare motifs. What about the research system, that requires you to find the existing trait on an item first, take time to research, then have the given gem to craft one. Without being able to get help with mats from fellow players, or even gold to buy things like racial items from vendors, you're reduce to grinding for stuff. While your sub time ticks away I might add. The only other option is to gut the crafting system til it's select ore, click and make.

Think carefully about the big picture, and how game elements are designed to work together.

driosketch wrote: »

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

Umm just to make sure everyone understands what a single player game is...it's when you play a game and no other players are there...it doesnt have anything to do with money or trading...

Trading is part of the mmo experience, you're pretty much advocating that they make this less mmo and more like a single player game. That was the point he was making.

It's actually worse. Single player games have money. I understand getting rid of money or trading, wrong headed though it may be, but eliminating both breaks the game.

You couldn't just craft anything you wanted. What about consumables like soul gems or rare motifs. What about the research system, that requires you to find the existing trait on an item first, take time to research, then have the given gem to craft one. Without being able to get help with mats from fellow players, or even gold to buy things like racial items from vendors, you're reduce to grinding for stuff. While your sub time ticks away I might add. The only other option is to gut the crafting system til it's select ore, click and make.

Think carefully about the big picture, and how game elements are designed to work together.

I have never bought a soul gem...didnt even know you could lol
Motifs...I have all the regular ones and I will find the rare ones in the months to come
Research...seems to me like cheating when you just buy it instead of finding it legit
Trait gems are not hard to find...Ill give you some lol
I dont want to rush through the game. I dont care about my sub time ticking away.

Part of the draw of MMO's to me is the social aspect. I really enjoy crafting items for myself and for OTHER people. Sometimes I do it for free (my husband, or guildmates), and sometimes I charge. If you removed trading of any sort from the game, there would be no point in me crafting, and therefore no point in me playing this game.

Am I saying that I play MMO's to craft and to trade with other people? YES. And trust me, I'm not in some tiny minority.
I can play Skyrim if I just want a good RPG (with better graphics too!).

Removing trade would basically kill this game.

I absolutely hate the bots and gold sellers, they are killing the economy, and I like to play the economy. However, removing the economy entirely doesn't seem like the right solution. It really is a lot like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I like that people are trying to think of solutions, but this one isn't it.

htoncic wrote: »

I don't mind gold sellers/buyers because they literally don't affect me at all. On the other hand, I don't craft so I need to buy stuff from other players. If people are willing to give all that for free, though, go ahead, remove gold from the game.

If only that were true in real life.. but sadly, nobody works for free. So i doubt very much anyone would put time and effort into something in a game only to just give it away.

I've been saying this for such a long time. I'm not going to say it all again as anyone can look back on my posts. All they have to do is add a bound currency that's earn through quests and dailies and that would be used for buying horses and stuff. Make gold still there but devalue it to the point that anyone can earn thousands a day for reps and feed. Make all tempers and Motifs, bound, increase the drop rate of said items, gold sellers are gone, players of ESO rejoice!

They wont do any of this though because they are either incompetent or in league with them because lets face it, a sub is a sub!

Loxy37 wrote: »

I've been saying this for such a long time. I'm not going to say it all again as anyone can look back on my posts. All they have to do is add a bound currency that's earn through quests and dailies and that would be used for buying horses and stuff. Make gold still there but devalue it to the point that anyone can earn thousands a day for reps and feed. Make all tempers and Motifs, bound, increase the drop rate of said items, gold sellers are gone, players of ESO rejoice!

They wont do any of this though because they are either incompetent or in league with them because lets face it, a sub is a sub!

My god really, dailies? If you add that garbage to this game along with the multitude of issues and questionable game mechanics that it already has, you can truly stick the fork in her.

None of these solutions is really a good solution. Gold farmers are like terrorists. This is like saying "to get rid of terrorists, lets just take away everyone's freedom." Sounds great.

MMO's need to have an economy, an interdependent economy. No matter how hard a developer might try, you cant micromanage it. You cant eliminate gold farmers completely, it will never happen. Ruining the end game economy and trivializing a big portion of interaction between players to combat an issue that in reality doesnt effect you that much on a personal level is incredibly dense.

Also, no developer wants to have their in game economy sabotaged by gold farmers, to even suggest that they are somehow "in league" with them is about as brilliant as your ideas.

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

f2pmmogamescub18_ESO wrote: »

How about we just FORGET about a trading economy altogether? Everything is BoA/BoP. No gold. Stuff like feeding horses is just log in once a day and do it. Then, you could open up dungeons, chests, loots everything. No RMT. No Gold Farmers. Just pure gaming goodness. Also, no restrictions on crafting so everyone can make what they need.

What's left? Actually playing Elder Scrolls Online, the game.

Yea, repairing your gear could just be...walk up to the anvil and that takes you to some mini game, how well you do=how much gear you repair. I dont know, Im just saying there is always a different way to do something. I just want to play...

Honestly I don't understand why my character, who custom crafted his own gear, has to pay someone else to repair it in the first place. Why isn't repairing an option in the craft table for the appropriate gear? I honestly think there is something to the suggestion of getting rid of gold altogether.