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Why do we need gold in ESO?

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I think we can all agree that the Gold spammers/sellers are out of hand. Just a thought...what would happen if they just take gold out of the game completely? Make it so that all things must be crafted. This would mean that you could no longer buy anything. No gold=No gold sellers? Come to think of it...the only time, and I mean ONLY time I spend money is to fix my armor. Thoughts?
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  • babylon
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    Sure. I have a stack of ripe apples left to feed my horse.
  • Valen_Byte
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    babylon wrote: »
    Sure. I have a stack of ripe apples left to feed my horse.

    ok so lets just make a list of the stuff you need gold for....

    1. Feed horses
    2. ?
    3. ?

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  • illogicbh
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    i agree
    Savvy?


  • Amfijakerwb17_ESO
    Since a lot of people hate crafting, thats probably not optimal.
  • babylon
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    Since a lot of people hate crafting, thats probably not optimal.
    I'd say too bad, a lot of people hate grouping, yet that's forced on us.
  • Innocente
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    I endorse this idea. :smiley:
  • Arsenic_Touch
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    So then what are they going to do about all the vendors?
    What about repairs?
    Feeding your horse?
    Buying bank space?
    Using the guild stores?

    Your idea is terrible and won't accomplish anything. Something else will replace the gold as currency and that would be the target of bots and gold spammers and that would still be sold via RMT.
    Edited by Arsenic_Touch on May 13, 2014 9:57PM
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  • Dita
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    Since there is a item in game, people not lucky enough to obtain, and want to buy them - we need some sort of currency to pay for it.
    So gold going to be important . . . unless, you guys want log in to the totally white world / map with nothing to do or obtain there, just to hang out. Then , we probably won't see any gold-sellers there.
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  • EliteZ
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    This would make no difference to gold sellers, instead they would farm crafting mats more (which they already do) and focus on selling them for real money. You'd be replacing gold sellers with mat sellers.
    Edited by EliteZ on May 13, 2014 9:53PM
  • ttwinklerub17_ESO
    if they can't trade or gift the gold or items they have no business model
    (like how do they get the goods to a user - not possible)

    this will reduce a good chunk of them over the long haul

    then what we need is a Auction house and guild stores
  • Valen_Byte
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    babylon wrote: »
    Sure. I have a stack of ripe apples left to feed my horse.

    I recognize your sarcasm from other threads lol. There could be an apple orchard just outside of town...you go collect some apples and feed your horse.

    Just because there has always been gold in MMO's...doesn't mean it has to stay that way.
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    It really would fix the gold spamming issues, and as far as the things like.... apples (lol) theres no reason there couldnt be a work-around, they could put apple trees in and we could pick the apples to feed our horses. And for people who dont enjoy crafting, they could trade for things they need/want. I think its a fabulous idea! :smiley:
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  • babylon
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    babylon wrote: »
    Sure. I have a stack of ripe apples left to feed my horse.

    I recognize your sarcasm from other threads lol. There could be an apple orchard just outside of town...you go collect some apples and feed your horse.

    Just because there has always been gold in MMO's...doesn't mean it has to stay that way.
    Well, my joke was kind of complex. It was intended to be simultaneously sarcastic, but I was also half serious.

    About all I spend gold on is repairs and horse feed anyway, would make no difference to me if gold was removed.
  • Innocente
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    How about we just FORGET about a trading economy altogether? Everything is BoA/BoP. No gold. Stuff like feeding horses is just log in once a day and do it. Then, you could open up dungeons, chests, loots everything. No RMT. No Gold Farmers. Just pure gaming goodness. Also, no restrictions on crafting so everyone can make what they need.

    What's left? Actually playing Elder Scrolls Online, the game.
    Edited by Innocente on May 13, 2014 9:59PM
  • Epona222
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    Apart from the simple fact that gold-sellers are no longer sending me mail spam about buying in game gold for real money, they are now offering me motifs and crafting improvement items for real money.

    If there was an apple orchard, you can bet they would sell apples for real money to people who couldn't be bothered to go collect them.
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  • Valen_Byte
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    How about we just FORGET about a trading economy altogether? Everything is BoA/BoP. No gold. Stuff like feeding horses is just log in once a day and do it. Then, you could open up dungeons, chests, loots everything. No RMT. No Gold Farmers. Just pure gaming goodness. Also, no restrictions on crafting so everyone can make what they need.

    What's left? Actually playing Elder Scrolls Online, the game.

    Yea, repairing your gear could just be...walk up to the anvil and that takes you to some mini game, how well you do=how much gear you repair. I dont know, Im just saying there is always a different way to do something. I just want to play...
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  • deggar13b16_ESO
    I don't craft as I find it takes too long to find the correct items in order to make something and you end up with an inventory and bank full of items that you cant use so I just sell materials. If I choose to craft I just buy what I need using gold.

    Currently I use gold to buy soul gems to charge my weapons, I've bought larger inventory bags and more spaces in the bank, I pay to repair my armour and weapons, I sometimes pay to fast travel if I cant be bothered to find a wayshrine, I buy consumables like repair kits and potions (although potions really don't help much in combat) and I'm also saving for a horse as they're quite expensive.

    Removing gold wont resolve the issue as all the farmers will do is start farming other items and we'll be back to square one! Other MMOs have gold farmers and still have an in game currency system its just that they've found a better way of managing it and I think Zenimax will find a way too.
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    So, have Gold be BoP/BoA. Can still have all the usual gold sinks in place. Just will not be able to make gold via any sort of Player<->Player transfer. Problem solved.

    The only other solution that has EVER worked to stop RMT operations is to have the game in question become such a low population game that it is not worth the gold farmers time to work it.
  • Innocente
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    @deggar13b16_ESO

    Read more carefully, please. EVERYTHING is BoA/BoP. Gold Farmers will have NOTHING to trade with players for RMT goods.
    Edited by Innocente on May 13, 2014 10:11PM
  • tangorn
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    DamitJanit wrote: »
    It really would fix the gold spamming issues, and as far as the things like.... apples (lol) theres no reason there couldnt be a work-around, they could put apple trees in and we could pick the apples to feed our horses. And for people who dont enjoy crafting, they could trade for things they need/want. I think its a fabulous idea! :smiley:

    There are two ways to go.
    1. No trading allowed whatsoever. What are you going to do with the gold claymore that you picked up from the boss drop then if you only have staff wielders? Roll a 2h toon?
    2. Trading is allowed, just with no gold, old fashion natural trades. Then what would happen is that some cheap and abundant items (like your apples, or maybe oranges) will become a universal currency, all prices will be in apples, so that you can compare this claymore with some nice staff better than you can apples and oranges. Result - gold sellers replaced by apple sellers.

    Now, where is my stash of bottle caps...
  • ElliottXO
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    How about we just shut down the servers? Then we certainly show those bots who the boss is.

    Seriously. Without money/trading I can just play Skyrim.
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    So are you envisioning trade or no trade with players in this scenario? Because as long as there is trade, there will be something to farm.

    No trade and no gold, you have to eliminate venders, rare drops, skill points for crafting. Inventory upgrades would need to be level based or unlimited. Crafting would have to be extremely simplified since you would be handling six professions and their mats on each character. You may as well give each class a set gear load out and just have that progress with level and add perks from completing quests.
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  • Innocente
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    @driosketch I don't see how any of your conclusions follow from making Gold/Items BoA/BoP. And most crafters I know personally would love to have a true ability to do all the crafts. And, GW2 has neatly solved the crafting materials banking problem already.
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    And finally another absurd post appears , it been a while since i saw something like hehe.

    Like others already said , people trade , if you remove gold , then something else will take golds place and they will farm and sell that.

    We give value to money , it is just paper , hell today it is just numbers , we could trade rocks , but that would be much harder to carry around.
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  • ttwinklerub17_ESO
    tangorn wrote: »
    DamitJanit wrote: »
    It really would fix the gold spamming issues, and as far as the things like.... apples (lol) theres no reason there couldnt be a work-around, they could put apple trees in and we could pick the apples to feed our horses. And for people who dont enjoy crafting, they could trade for things they need/want. I think its a fabulous idea! :smiley:

    There are two ways to go.
    1. No trading allowed whatsoever. What are you going to do with the gold claymore that you picked up from the boss drop then if you only have staff wielders? Roll a 2h toon?
    2. Trading is allowed, just with no gold, old fashion natural trades. Then what would happen is that some cheap and abundant items (like your apples, or maybe oranges) will become a universal currency, all prices will be in apples, so that you can compare this claymore with some nice staff better than you can apples and oranges. Result - gold sellers replaced by apple sellers.

    Now, where is my stash of bottle caps...


    1. you have an auction house, guild stores and NPC stores
    you can still sell claymore to NPC store, guild store or put up got auction and still make good dough - provided someone is willing to pay for it

    you saying you can't make in game gold this way?
    works for lots of MMO's out there

    2. there is still the possibility of trading worms/crawlers for items and behind the scenes (out of game a money transfer is done) - you have identified said person prior to sale and then exchange useless stuff for expensive stuff

    this is not going to work
    Edited by ttwinklerub17_ESO on May 13, 2014 10:23PM
  • htoncic
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    I don't mind gold sellers/buyers because they literally don't affect me at all. On the other hand, I don't craft so I need to buy stuff from other players. If people are willing to give all that for free, though, go ahead, remove gold from the game.
  • Valen_Byte
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    And finally another absurd post appears , it been a while since i saw something like hehe.

    This sentence is absurd. Lol

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  • Vyle_Byte
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    And finally another absurd post appears

    Nah this isnt absurd, its an idea... whether an idea is good or bad or something you agree with or not, its someone trying to come up with something to help the community... to make the game better for all of us legit players. At least its not another gripe fest which is pretty much all you see anymore on these forums. Just sayin.
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  • Knottypine
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    what would happen if they just take gold out of the game completely? Make it so that all things must be crafted. This would mean that you could no longer buy anything. No gold=No gold sellers? Come to think of it...the only time, and I mean ONLY time I spend money is to fix my armor. Thoughts?

    You bring something quite interesting to the table... I'm actually not opposed to this. I'm about 99.9% sure that this would never happen, but the idea is something that I think should be tested.
    So then what are they going to do about all the vendors?
    What about repairs?
    Feeding your horse?
    Buying bank space?
    Using the guild stores?

    Your idea is terrible and won't accomplish anything.

    The vendors is something that would have to be considered... BUT...

    -Repairs... allow players to conduct repairs, I can craft so I should be able to fix it.

    -Feeding horses... there is plenty of food to be found, I could find or prepare food for my horse.

    -Bank space... not sure on this, maybe skill points, or some other interesting method. (as far as bag upgrades, let players craft their own bigger bags - the larger the bag the more rare material required)

    -Guild stores... instead of ESO implementing mini AH's within guilds which is an idea I'm not fond of (I would certainly prefer a server wide AH even though there may be some disadvantages). They could turn it into a Guild trade hub instead. eg: List items you have, and which items you're looking for.

    Just ideas...
  • BenjaminKacher_ESO
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    I think we can all agree that the Gold spammers/sellers are out of hand. Just a thought...what would happen if they just take gold out of the game completely? Make it so that all things must be crafted. This would mean that you could no longer buy anything. No gold=No gold sellers? Come to think of it...the only time, and I mean ONLY time I spend money is to fix my armor. Thoughts?

    They would become commodity sellers, selling the best gear/upgrade mats/anything else that's valuable instead of gold sellers. Trust me, they would still exist all you'd be doing is changing the currency they use.

    See DIABLO 2 for evidence of this.
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