I main redguard wardens (8 of them, 4 accounts both PC megaservers). I'm perfectly happy with the passives as they are now, and have been since I started playing. Caveat: I solo, I don't have any interest in group content or pvp. If that's what you're going on about, if they want to make some battle spirit adjustments so you can do what you think you need to with redguards in pvp, fine. Make it a choice though because I like mine the way they are.

Redguards are objectively the worst race. Just because some of you are happy with them doesn't change the fact that they have the worst passives and have to work harder for sustain while other races are far less restricted. I have four Redguards, by the way.

I have a Redguard stamina Arcanist and she does fine. I don't care if the streamers recommend it or not.

For my solo stam nb build redguard is the best race with its passives, I certainly don't want it to become damage oriented or something

Redguard doesn't need any changes. DO NOT MAKE ALL RACES THE SAME THING! All races weapon/spell damage, all races ofensive stats... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Leave Redguard as it is with great pasives for survivability and resources management, same as Wood Elf.

If you don't want to use Redguard, fine. Use Orc, Khajiit, Dark Elf, whatever, but don't come asking to make all races with the same stats.
 

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Redguard doesn't need any changes. DO NOT MAKE ALL RACES THE SAME THING! All races weapon/spell damage, all races ofensive stats... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Leave Redguard as it is with great pasives for survivability and resources management, same as Wood Elf.

If you don't want to use Redguard, fine. Use Orc, Khajiit, Dark Elf, whatever, but don't come asking to make all races with the same stats.
 

Crazy because I haven't seen anything like that posted in this thread. You're slaying an imaginary dragon.

Edit: suddenly there are so many people who like Redguards the way they are but you could never tell by looking at the population in game.

You won't ever see mine unless you spend all your time in overland on PC NA and EU. BTW, my mains are not the only Redguards I have, there's LOTS more of them.... Redguard is my favorite race, and always has been ever since the early single player titles.

And I still don't need different passives, thank you.

El_Borracho wrote: »

It doesn't have to be damage, it could be buff damage mitigation or increase status effects or anything else but sustain. Once upon a time, sustain was an issue in this game, which made Redguard a top tier race for stamina builds. But not so much anymore. Even Breton has better passives

Sustain is still an issue in PvP and Solo content when almost everyone in PvP uses oragas smoked bearhaunch or juwels of misrule as buffood and/or wretchet vitality, a race giving 2-3 set boni(258-387) recovery, ideally mag and stam, would allow players to replace one of them, so they can wear a dmg set or use sugar skulls or other stat food also increasing dmg.
But the sustain passives redguard has are not even good, seems like the race offers not only the wrong stats, but also less stats overall.

Iriidius wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

It doesn't have to be damage, it could be buff damage mitigation or increase status effects or anything else but sustain. Once upon a time, sustain was an issue in this game, which made Redguard a top tier race for stamina builds. But not so much anymore. Even Breton has better passives

Sustain is still an issue in PvP and Solo content when almost everyone in PvP uses oragas smoked bearhaunch or juwels of misrule as buffood and/or wretchet vitality, a race giving 2-3 set boni(258-387) recovery, ideally mag and stam, would allow players to replace one of them, so they can wear a dmg set or use sugar skulls or other stat food also increasing dmg.
But the sustain passives redguard has are not even good, seems like the race offers not only the wrong stats, but also less stats overall.

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I voted no simply because I have no need for that. I could say I don't care, but it's not true. Because for every things done that I don't need, I lose a chance to see something I care about being done. That's very egoistic though, I agree...

Only you dont see many redguards doesn't mean they are bad.

If there is a class ranking, then redguard would be lower place, but as said, that does not mean the race is bad. If you go for minmaxing, you will take mostly breton or argonian as healer, the cat as crit DD and Nord or Imperial or even Redguard for tanking.

Adrenaline can sustain up to 200 Stamina/second. The core issue with Adrenaline, you can not buff this by resource regeneration buffs, meaning Adrenaline i would change into a static Stamina Reg instead of 1000 Stamina per 5 seconds after doing damage.

If you compare readguard vs woodelf:
Stamina: 2775 (R) vs 2775 (W)
Stamina Reg: 1000 every 5 seconds (R) vs 258 (+45% = 374) = 187 Stamina every second everytime
Third: 8% weapon ability discount (Stamina and Magicka) 15% less scnare efficency (R) vs 5% Movement Speed, 950 Penetration (W)

kojou wrote: »

I think it would be nice if all the passives of all the races were reviewed after every chapter as sometimes changes to the game meta will increase or decrease the importance of certain stats.

That would drive me absolutely mad. I don't want to have balanced builds invalidated on a regular basis. Every time they try to adjust something there is a considerable chance that it gets worse....

If something is really amiss and not just a preference issue it can certainly be fixed, I don't mind that.

Kelenan7368 wrote: »

The Redguard passives are so crappy that no one ever uses the race for builds. Not 1 Streamer ever recommends Redguard for anything. I think the passives for this race need to be made more competitive with the other races.

Mathematically redguard is ok. It just excels at a lot of things that are not synergizing with most mainstream builds.

The snare resist + light armour can be absolutely massive, to the point where you do not need to run snare removal (3 light + redguard almost negates DK warmth). Of course this doesn't help you while parsing, but it can make a night and day difference kiting mobs/players around without maintaining snare immunity. It is not worse than +movement speed, it is very efficiently complementing it.

Adrenaline rush works while blocking/sprinting and can be supplemented well with heavy armour passives, glyphs and some sets. With cost reduction you can reach really high block sustain from non-regen sources.

The flat stam is also useful, as every non-stormweaver build relies on on stam for combat abilities, so it can never be a wasted stat to the same extent excess magicka could be.

Weapon skills can grant you resource independent heal, damage and defense. You may not get the same mileage from that cost reduction as you might on imperial overall, but this also occupies a smaller part of the power budget. Notably, weapon skills have some excellent spammables, where cost reduction has disproportionate returns.

Its not the parsing race, yes. It isn't the ganker race either. But apart from those it can do cool things.

Most streamers show gank, bomb and parse builds. Of course there is no reason to recommend redguards.