If I recall correctly, Brian was saying that there will be no solo queue, so presumably yes.

IMO the real problems are how horrid the matchmaking timers are going to be with the stricter MMR rules, the lack of a solo queue option for players that don’t want to deal with annoying four stacks, the failure to reuse the ranking system of Tales of Tribute for the competitive playlist, and the complete lack of creativity when instead of making Avatars for each of the three Battlegrounds factions they simply reused the Werewolf Behemoth and our boring Vampire ultimate.

I don't know about 8v8, but you can queue for 4v4 in a group of 4. You can pause the livestream at 42:32 when Brian had the group finder up and see that it allows for groups up to 4. Mixing solo and group queues does sound like it'll be a recipe for disaster though. All it would take is one premade 4 man group, or god forbid an 8 man group, to ruin the match. It's the only thing I'm concerned about because getting trashed by a coordinated 8 man ballgroup would just make nobody want to play anymore.

Estin wrote: »

I don't know about 8v8, but you can queue for 4v4 in a group of 4. You can pause the livestream at 42:32 when Brian had the group finder up and see that it allows for groups up to 4. Mixing solo and group queues does sound like it'll be a recipe for disaster though. All it would take is one premade 4 man group, or god forbid an 8 man group, to ruin the match. It's the only thing I'm concerned about because getting trashed by a coordinated 8 man ballgroup would just make nobody want to play anymore.

There likely wont be an 8 man ball group, because queues are limited to 4 players but the concern is still there nonetheless.

However there was a mention of limited lives in the 4v4 game mode as it's mean to be competitive so the team who dominates will likely end the match early anyways, and due to it having an MMR unlike 8v8, the "noob" players are likely going to have no MMR at all and not get put in the same queue as the coordinated players.

My only concern is 8v8 with 4 man groups coordinating though, sounds like a recipe for disaster, I think all BGs should have strict mmr

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, just checked with Brian to confirm. For 8v8 and 4v4 you can queue solo, duo, trio or full 4-person group but no more than that. So you cannot queue in 8v8 with an 8 stack team.

This is problematic, given that putting group ques into PVP alongside solo players will end up with heavily imbalanced matches, and will likely lead to the mode being even less friendly to new players than beforehand.
Groups in PVP in general are imbalanced and generally overpowered compared to solo, especially random solos, so this will only cause more grief for new players and cause them to abandon the mode faster.

@ZOS_Kevin is there a chance that with this new queues player who queued solo in 8v8 will end up fighting against two 4 ppl premades?

Anachronian wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, just checked with Brian to confirm. For 8v8 and 4v4 you can queue solo, duo, trio or full 4-person group but no more than that. So you cannot queue in 8v8 with an 8 stack team.

This is problematic, given that putting group ques into PVP alongside solo players will end up with heavily imbalanced matches, and will likely lead to the mode being even less friendly to new players than beforehand.
Groups in PVP in general are imbalanced and generally overpowered compared to solo, especially random solos, so this will only cause more grief for new players and cause them to abandon the mode faster.

Precisely. I posted this fairly old video in another thread, but this is what happens when optimized, coordinated groups of four players are allowed to queue alongside casual solo players in low MMR environments:

https://youtu.be/LG-cjTYaMH0

As the video demonstrates, solo / uncoordinated players going up against coordinated premade groups in BGs will often just stop playing or leave, because there's no point. The Pit Daemons in the first clip quickly stopped feeding the pet-stacking werewolf premade and sat in spawn until it was over. The Fire Drakes did the same thing against the same pet-stacking WW premade in the second clip. The premade group got the vast majority of its kills from the one lone player on the Pit Daemons team that tried in vain to play against them, and the various others who joined the match and left when they saw they were up against a practically immortal pet-stacking WW premade.

@ZOS_Kevin , I hope the team rethinks the decision to mix group and solo queues, especially in the MMR-free casual 8v8 mode. Premade groups and "casual" are incongruous terms when it comes to BGs.

Ooof I really don't want to be in a PUG playing against a coordinated group on comms in BGs. I do that enough in Cyro, lol. That's one of the few things I prefer about BGs compared to Cyrodiil; currently if you're in a random group of solos, you know you're also playing against a random group of solos (probably).

Any mention of fixing voice chat so you only hear your team and not random people in other matches?

Anachronian wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, just checked with Brian to confirm. For 8v8 and 4v4 you can queue solo, duo, trio or full 4-person group but no more than that. So you cannot queue in 8v8 with an 8 stack team.

This is problematic, given that putting group ques into PVP alongside solo players will end up with heavily imbalanced matches, and will likely lead to the mode being even less friendly to new players than beforehand.
Groups in PVP in general are imbalanced and generally overpowered compared to solo, especially random solos, so this will only cause more grief for new players and cause them to abandon the mode faster.

I agree, there should be different queques for solo and group players like the system now, aswell different ranking systems. Most bg players right now queque as solo and any 3-4 man organized group will have an easy win over solo uncoordinated players. If this remain the same solo players will have very bad experience and no chance to climb the ladder. Join as solo and be in a group of solos that fight another group of solos will also give more relevance to the individual skill of players in the match.

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

…I think all BGs should have strict mmr

ESO does not have the PvP population to support a fully strict MMR, in reality what will happen is after a year, players at the top will play the exact same groups every time, and spend hours waiting to matchmake them.

Not to mention the stress of being forced into competitive lobbies any time you want to play. You can’t be creative at the top because ESO is a game of math. The best of us know this.

Aren't the group ques so long now, they allow premades vs solo's?

You're got to realize the competitive groups don't really want competition. They want to roll over a group of undergeared, uncordinated players. They will NOT want to run against a skilled group.

IDK how this will affect the 8v8. You might find the 4 man groups queing for the 4v4, UNLESS there is a long que. This would run smoother to have the premade group of 4 ONLY que for the 4v4.

8v8 should ONLY be solo ques. In this soloution, the premade 4 has a solution and the 8 solo que has a solution. I guess the solo's could look at the team and hope they team with a premade 4 man. If not, just slink around and let game end ... giving them no competition and no kills. Let the buzzer ring.

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, just checked with Brian to confirm. For 8v8 and 4v4 you can queue solo, duo, trio or full 4-person group but no more than that. So you cannot queue in 8v8 with an 8 stack team.

I would strongly urge you do reconsider any kind of grouped queueing for 8v8, it should be a casual mode. One coordinated comped group of 4 absolutely will steamroll a match if the other team didn't get placed with a similar group. 8v8 isn't ranked, it shouldn't allow group coordination at all.