vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

kylemelhuishb16_ESO wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

kylemelhuishb16_ESO wrote: »

I think there is enough negativity. No need to add to it. All forums are the same.

How is disagreeing with someone negativity? I didn't call them stupid, push them down, and then spit in their soda. I just don't share their view point.

Don't play the fool.

Disagreeing by it's very definition is negative. But that is not what I meant anyway. As someone has already pointed out it would be a way for people to be abusive and harass other people.

Calling people stupid, pushing them down, and then spitting in their soda is abusive and while it is negative no one would say 'look at that bully, he is negative' it literally goes without saying.

By definition it is negative? Disagree: to fail to agree, to differ.

That doesn't sounds very negative. Unless being different is negative? Im not sure i want to go down that path. Just because someone doesn't agree with you, it in no way shape or form implies anything negative. Outside of you don't think the same.

Fail is also a negative word so yes, it does sound negative. Also this is not a debate. In psychology and English grammar, disagree is a negative word. Spin it however you want it will not change the truth.

To back up my point I will give you a double negative:
I don’t disagree.
So what is a double negative?

http://www.grammar-monster.com/glossary/double_negative.htm

and here is a list of double negative examples with the positive counterparts.

http://walkerroyce.com/blog/observation/double-negatives-i-dont-disagree/comment-page-1/

Ask yourself this. If you were with one person for hours on end and all that person did was disagree with you. No matter what. How would that make you feel?

The same could be said about a forum. If someone posted something that they thought was the be all and end all, but everyone else disagreed and marked it up as so. How will that person feel? It would certainly be a negative feeling and who wants that?

I'm glad we got that sorted.

I believe that if you don't click agree, then technically you are disagreeing. As if you agreed, you'd click agree, and if not... you wouldn't. Seems to make sense to me... but maybe it doesn't make the same sense to others.

They removed it back in beta when people were abusing it and even trolling with the disagree button.

For me game developers opinions, desicions are more important than the game itself. I was not so sure to buy the game, but it was the day when they took the disagree button which being abused to death i decided to play this game for a long time. They have my support, instead of paying some devolopers who don't give a *** about their cunstomers, even the game is not good enough i prefer to pay developers who tries to keep communty clean and respectful. A big +1 till ZOS with taking of off the "disagree" button. If you are disagree with an opinion, give your arguments and point it out, not search all forum posts of him/her and click "disagree" like many used to do.

Srugzal wrote: »

Corithna wrote: »

SmithNL wrote: »

Hello adventurers

First of all I would like to say I love this game even though it has been offline for a day!

I would like to suggest a disagree button on the forum. The only way to disagree with a post is to post a comment or jump on the LOL button. It feels incomplete!

Vontus (imperial night blade)

There is good reason why the forums are in the current iteration. Every single form of non positive feedback that was offered up became overtly weaponized by individuals who wanted nothing more then to harm others in some manner.
Specifically these people would begin with a debate that would end up quickly degenerating into a heated discussion over one another's ancestry and what not. To strike out, the negative feedback options would be spammed, not only for posts they found offensive but for every post that had been made by those they were disagreeing with. In many cases stacking up hundreds of negative points by a single person alone. You get a pack of such individuals together and they just feed off one another. Many different builds were put into effect and what we have now is the culmination of many months of debates over this issue.

Instead of as you say, jumping on the lol button, try instead writing out a well reasoned and articulate response and make your own case.

Remember also that not only was there a "disagree" but there was "off topic," "spam," "troll," and a few other "report post" options. Everyone of these -- especially the "troll" label -- was heavily abused by downvote brigades. I've never maintained that the points mattered, but if you disagreed with one of the high-point posters, their posse would "troll" you into the basement, and that would actually lower your overall standing with the forum community, since these tags lowered your point count without making your post go away. Also, the counts remained visible, unlike now, when you have to mouse over them to see them. So it was easy for the brigades to scan for victims and target them. It was like the worst of Reddit and the worst of 4chan combined. They took each one of the negative reports out, one at a time, over a long period. The "LOL" was certainly a welcome addition. At first it didn't add points, then they changed that as well.

So now the only negative feedback is no feedback; that is, other than actually posting something.

Only positive feedback allowed to be registered conveniently. At minimum a one sided conversation creates a huge blind spot. In the worst case, you end up with problems that could have been addressed much earlier in the cycle. But it does make managing the forums much easier.

Still think they should have a Disagree button. No need for the other 'negative' buttons. Just an up or down vote should be sufficient. Other gamer forums have it and they seem to do just fine. My last post on this.

A disagree button wouldn't bother me.

If someone felt the need to go through 700 posts just to disagree with everything I ever said then i'd find that hilarious.

If he gets a "disagree" button, I want a "couldn't care less" button.

Kronosphere wrote: »

yeah i agree i admit i can get a bit tempered on forums but the lack of a disgree button means if i feel i see something i dnt like and want to put my 2 cents in i now have to actually post. and its alot easier for thing to get personal and escalate etc etc, when normally i would just hit 1 button and be done

That's the whole point of not having a disagree button. As someone who actually takes time to carefully consider both sides of a situation, reads over the posts already in the thread to determine if I have something new and unique to add to the conversation, and then meticulously crafts a comprehensive yet concise response, I'm glad that people like you can't just come along and downvote it into oblivion with a click of the mouse simply because you, 'jerst dunt lack et.'

This way, when you "feel i see something i dnt like and want to put my 2 cents in i now have to actually post"... people will be able to see for themselves what you 'jerst dunnit lack' about my post rather than just an army of downvotes.

Personally, I'd wouldn't be against it if they removed all the voting from the forum, I think each post a person writes should be able to stand on its own merit. However, a dislike button would do nothing but invite abuse.

Finally, if your opinion is so uninspired that it can't be represented by anything more than a single click, you can always find a comment that disagrees with the post you want to disagree with to click agree on.