Disagree button on forums.

Gwarok

Since we have a LOL, I say it's only fair that we also have a WTF/WTH button next to it. It would definitely help me, help myself in/by preventing an infraction every now and then (on myself) when I have one of those "Foot 'n Mouth" moments.

Cogo

Well, I do use lol when I find a post funny...I mean in a good way too.

wrlifeboil

The Facebook generation prefers only Likes. No Dislikes.

Kililin

Its a discussion board, while there are rare cases a disagree is enough, like for example:
I think sushi is the best food ever.

In most cases Posts are more than such a statement, and you disagreeing with a button would not add to a discussion. If i have an opinion i would like to hear why you disagree with me, after considering your point of view we can either agree to disagree or come to middle ground or whatever.

A discussion board is not a voting tool for opinions.

This has nothing to do with facebook, in fact for most facebook contents a disagree button would be well suited.

rawne1980b16_ESO

I still love how people think hitting the "lol" button shows they disagree with something.

I usually hit "lol" when I find something funny .... strange, backwards people of the internet.

Audigy

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

ZurinArctus wrote: »

Surprised we're given as many options as we are anymore. The internet is a giant day care.

I think you missed the many , many times to mods came out to say they want everyone to be positive and nice to one another , they do this all the time over and over heh.

i dont mind the lack of a disagree button , i just wish people would not use the LOL button for it. Now you sum the times people thougt you were funny , with the times people didint like what you said.

Ya there are some clowns that use LOL at every post that disagrees with their own opinion. What they miss however is the fact that these LOLs also contribute to a users ranking, so they actually support the person they actually tried to harass

All the voting stuff on forums is always abused, you can say the worst things and still get highlighted if you match the haters. Haters are always the vocal majority in any forum.

Shimond

All the buttons are meant to be positive responses. That people use LOL to indicate disagree is pretty stupid on their part - since you still rank up or whatever via LOL badges like you do any of the others.

If you don't agree with something either post a response or ignore it. That's what you're supposed to do. If they put in a disagree button what will happen when you rack up a ton of those, get a "troll" title? Nothing productive comes of that.

wrlifeboil

Kililin wrote: »

Its a discussion board, while there are rare cases a disagree is enough, like for example:
I think sushi is the best food ever.

In most cases Posts are more than such a statement, and you disagreeing with a button would not add to a discussion. If i have an opinion i would like to hear why you disagree with me, after considering your point of view we can either agree to disagree or come to middle ground or whatever.

A discussion board is not a voting tool for opinions.

This has nothing to do with facebook, in fact for most facebook contents a disagree button would be well suited.

You are wrong about that. Thumbs up/thumbs down lets people basically 'fact check' or 'opinion check' a forum poster's remarks. This community policing relieves some of pressure from the forum moderators. It gives the forum community a sense of ownership and empowerment. But in rare instances at its worst, it can result in the tyranny of the majority. That's when forum mods have to step in.

Back to WoW, the system on the WoW forums works very well. The greater the negative ratings, the more the message test of the post fades until after it accumulates so many negative ratings that the message disappears and turns into a 'press to view message' link. But the WoW forum's roots were planted well before the Facebook generation took hold.

Kililin

wrlifeboil wrote: »

Kililin wrote: »

Its a discussion board, while there are rare cases a disagree is enough, like for example:
I think sushi is the best food ever.

In most cases Posts are more than such a statement, and you disagreeing with a button would not add to a discussion. If i have an opinion i would like to hear why you disagree with me, after considering your point of view we can either agree to disagree or come to middle ground or whatever.

A discussion board is not a voting tool for opinions.

This has nothing to do with facebook, in fact for most facebook contents a disagree button would be well suited.

You are wrong about that. Thumbs up/thumbs down lets people basically 'fact check' or 'opinion check' a forum poster's remarks. This community policing relieves some of pressure from the forum moderators. It gives the forum community a sense of ownership and empowerment. But in rare instances at its worst, it can result in the tyranny of the majority. That's when forum mods have to step in.

Back to WoW, the system on the WoW forums works very well. The greater the negative ratings, the more the message test of the post fades until after it accumulates so many negative ratings that the message disappears and turns into a 'press to view message' link. But the WoW forum's roots were planted well before the Facebook generation took hold.

You know, i think it is kind of funny.

You are right about me being wrong, because i think your argument is perfectly valid, at least for the part about fact check. For this use-case (distributing wrong information) it probably would be a good idea.

On the other hand it proves my statement about discussions, if you just had clicked disagree i would not understand why.

I am, however, still thinking that these buttons would divert from productive discussions.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

It is because people cant handle the negative feeling a disagree gives. For example look at the first few post in this thread. Disagree was being abused!! Ummm ok how do you abuse a button that has no impact on anything? What they meant to say is someone clicked disagree on my post and it hurt mu feeling.

Even though disagree is in no way negative, it just means i don't agree with you. But people still spaz out and cant handle it. You never see anyone saying hey why did you agree with me? Can you post it and explain? Hey why did you awesome me? Please explain. But as soon as the disagree lands, ohh you are trolling me!! You didn't explain why!! Trolll trolll i hate you!

Anyway we obviously dont need one since everyone on the forum agrees.

Kililin

Explanation why you agree with something will most likely in lots of redundant text.

If you lay out an explanation why you disagree, you opened the possibility for everyone to disagree with a click of the mouse, by agreeing to your point of view. The poster you are answering to can see another point of view and also that it is shared by many.

Disagree button is just lazy, abuse would be for example if someone wrote a comprehensive post or even a guide, and 20 people clicking disagree without posting why. Even if there are problems with the post it would be decent to at least explain what is wrong about it.

wrlifeboil

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

It is because people cant handle the negative feeling a disagree gives. For example look at the first few post in this thread. Disagree was being abused!! Ummm ok how do you abuse a button that has no impact on anything? What they meant to say is someone clicked disagree on my post and it hurt mu feeling.

Even though disagree is in no way negative, it just means i don't agree with you. But people still spaz out and cant handle it. You never see anyone saying hey why did you agree with me? Can you post it and explain? Hey why did you awesome me? Please explain. But as soon as the disagree lands, ohh you are trolling me!! You didn't explain why!! Trolll trolll i hate you!

Anyway we obviously dont need one since everyone on the forum agrees.

I would Agree with you but FF+NoScript means I get the Whoops! screen. Even with the passthrough for javascript enabled. Flaky forum software.

wrlifeboil

Kililin wrote: »

Explanation why you agree with something will most likely in lots of redundant text.

If you lay out an explanation why you disagree, you opened the possibility for everyone to disagree with a click of the mouse, by agreeing to your point of view. The poster you are answering to can see another point of view and also that it is shared by many.

Disagree button is just lazy, abuse would be for example if someone wrote a comprehensive post or even a guide, and 20 people clicking disagree without posting why. Even if there are problems with the post it would be decent to at least explain what is wrong about it.

Disagree. Adding redundant filler. This really contributes to this thread in the absence of a Disagree button, doesn't it?

Sarenia

LOL

Kililin

wrlifeboil wrote: »

Kililin wrote: »

Explanation why you agree with something will most likely in lots of redundant text.

If you lay out an explanation why you disagree, you opened the possibility for everyone to disagree with a click of the mouse, by agreeing to your point of view. The poster you are answering to can see another point of view and also that it is shared by many.

Disagree button is just lazy, abuse would be for example if someone wrote a comprehensive post or even a guide, and 20 people clicking disagree without posting why. Even if there are problems with the post it would be decent to at least explain what is wrong about it.

Disagree. Adding redundant filler. This really contributes to this thread in the absence of a Disagree button, doesn't it?

It is harder than click a button at least, even if it does not contribute more.
I have never seen threads filled with /disagree if you fell strong enough about somethin to feel the need to post you most likely are tempted to explain.
At least in my experience.

Audigy

Back to WoW, the system on the WoW forums works very well. The greater the negative ratings, the more the message test of the post fades until after it accumulates so many negative ratings that the message disappears and turns into a 'press to view message' link. But the WoW forum's roots were planted well before the Facebook generation took hold.

I felt the Blizzard system has a major flaw. Its not about right or wrong, but about majorities.

It works in the same way as those ESO reviews worked on YT. Hate on Casuals, the game or Blizzard and you get up voted. Say something honest, suggest a change and you get down voted.

I saw some decent thread´s fading out, just because they didn't fit the general hate towards Casuals in wow.

Shimond

Audigy wrote: »

I felt the Blizzard system has a major flaw. Its not about right or wrong, but about majorities.

It works in the same way as those ESO reviews worked on YT. Hate on Casuals, the game or Blizzard and you get up voted. Say something honest, suggest a change and you get down voted.

I saw some decent thread´s fading out, just because they didn't fit the general hate towards Casuals in wow.

Well at least on their forums the only people able to vote are people subscribing to the game. That'd be another reason not to bother with a disagree or any negative feedback - bitter, infantile ex-players.

Armoril

This is not reddit.

Greydog

I've heard that this option was included in beta and that Zen took it out. My guess is that they came to the obvious conclusion that anytime you give a forum member the opportunity to give other members a negative connotation they will abuse it.

It is only helpful to those who thrive on negativity and not at all useful in any forum that wishes to focus on civil debate.

This forum already has enough members who cannot contain their incivility. Lets not give them the tools to carry that further.

Gohlar

Shimond wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

I felt the Blizzard system has a major flaw. Its not about right or wrong, but about majorities.

It works in the same way as those ESO reviews worked on YT. Hate on Casuals, the game or Blizzard and you get up voted. Say something honest, suggest a change and you get down voted.

I saw some decent thread´s fading out, just because they didn't fit the general hate towards Casuals in wow.

Well at least on their forums the only people able to vote are people subscribing to the game. That'd be another reason not to bother with a disagree or any negative feedback - bitter, infantile ex-players.

You sound pretty bitter yourself there Shim. I've noticed it's important to you to label and dismiss any dissenting opinions. Maybe if you didn't do that you wouldn't get so stressed out.

wrlifeboil

Audigy wrote: »

Back to WoW, the system on the WoW forums works very well. The greater the negative ratings, the more the message test of the post fades until after it accumulates so many negative ratings that the message disappears and turns into a 'press to view message' link. But the WoW forum's roots were planted well before the Facebook generation took hold.

I felt the Blizzard system has a major flaw. Its not about right or wrong, but about majorities.

It works in the same way as those ESO reviews worked on YT. Hate on Casuals, the game or Blizzard and you get up voted. Say something honest, suggest a change and you get down voted.

I saw some decent thread´s fading out, just because they didn't fit the general hate towards Casuals in wow.

I think nowadays the casuals outnumber the elitists on the WoW forums. The turning point was probably during Wrath. The only preserves that WoW elitists have are in certain fan forums on third party sites.

Shimond

Gohlar wrote: »

You sound pretty bitter yourself there Shim. I've noticed it's important to you to label and dismiss any dissenting opinions. Maybe if you didn't do that you wouldn't get so stressed out.

I get the impression from your response that you feel I was talking about you.

Well, if the shoe fits...

Gohlar

Shimond wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

You sound pretty bitter yourself there Shim. I've noticed it's important to you to label and dismiss any dissenting opinions. Maybe if you didn't do that you wouldn't get so stressed out.

I get the impression from your response that you feel I was talking about you.

Well, if the shoe fits...

No I was referring to you calling people with criticism "bitter, infantile ex players". This would cover a wide range of people. Pretty immature imo, especially with you being bitter yourself. People obviously have a point if they are getting to you like this. I'd suggest trying to be a little more open minded and not so quick to insultingly categorize anyone who doesn't agree with you. It just shows a lot of insecurity in your position, as does this post you just made.

alphawolph

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

It is because people cant handle the negative feeling a disagree gives. For example look at the first few post in this thread. Disagree was being abused!! Ummm ok how do you abuse a button that has no impact on anything? What they meant to say is someone clicked disagree on my post and it hurt mu feeling.

Even though disagree is in no way negative, it just means i don't agree with you. But people still spaz out and cant handle it. You never see anyone saying hey why did you agree with me? Can you post it and explain? Hey why did you awesome me? Please explain. But as soon as the disagree lands, ohh you are trolling me!! You didn't explain why!! Trolll trolll i hate you!

Anyway we obviously dont need one since everyone on the forum agrees.

They abused me, by disagreeing with me.

Give us badges for dislikes just like the other buttons.

FrauPerchta

Abusing a Disagree button is easily fixed by limiting the number of Disagrees a person is allowed in 24 hours. Works well on several game forums.

liquid_wolf

Disagreeing doesn't provide any useful data.

There is nothing gained from disagreement that could be useful to developers and managers.

All that matters is what people agree on. That is something that can be used to push development and planning.

A:"Where does everyone want to eat?"
B:"I don't care, and I can't think of anything."
C:"Lets try Burger King."
B:"I don't like it."
A:"You just said you didn't care?!"
B:"Anywhere but there..."
C:"Taco Bell?"
B:"Not there either..."

Disagreement doesn't get you anything... Simply agree with something that has been posted, or post your own views and desires.

Which will allow other people to agree with you.

No Disagree button.

Khandi

If we disagree or dislike a thread/comment, we all just need to put on our big girl panties and use our words.

devolutedub17_ESO

SmithNL wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

SmithNL wrote: »

They should either remove the agree button or add a disagree botton.

I think you should read the other posts in the thread. They had this feature. It was abused.

You can't abuse an agree button.

I get that the disagree button is being abused. But the agree button has no meaning whatsoever if their is no agree/disagree ratio. Just my opinion tho!

I disagree with this assertion.

Gedalya

I wish there was a disagree button for this post/thread.

Melian

ZurinArctus wrote: »

Surprised we're given as many options as we are anymore. The internet is a giant day care.

Probably because it's full of toddlers.