Therium104 wrote: »

The make me overpowered thread or I will leave the game is pathetic but already what you guys have resorted to. Good ridden imo.

L2P. Maybe the devs can make some changes but compensate with a significant nerf to NB single target dps. For balance reasons.

Hungry troll is hungry.

I'm not leaving the game because my class is under-powered, that's not why I chose to contribute to this thread. In fact, the NB is the only class I enjoy playing, even with all the bugs, because the siphon tree is my favorite skill line.

I would just like to see some re-balancing. You can't "learn to play" effectively when your skills are not working as intended and your class is not properly balanced with the others. I'm not threatening to leave because I can't PvP without getting my ass handed to me or because I'm gonna sink like a boat made of Swiss cheese during vet content, I'm just voicing my concerns along with everyone else, the idea being that enough voices will be heard by Zenimax to cause some real change, because we definitely need it.

Thanks for your lack of contribution though

I would like to ask again, and maybe people aren't answering because they don't see it or because they think it's so stupid that it doesn't even deserve a response (but I'd still like to hear feedback): Does anyone think that a slight nerf to vet content difficulty would help as well? I just keep hearing how difficult it is and I can't help but think that, because it's so difficult, it pigeon-holes people into only a few builds, and leaves the rest to re-spec or create an alt. I'm not saying to make it super easy, I just mean that perhaps it's too difficult for all but a few select builds. If that is the case, then clearly it's broken as well, and maybe the solution isn't to add more AoE skills, but to scale down the packs of mobs in vet content, or maybe rework the aggro system, anything to open the door for more diverse builds in vet content. If they did this, and rebalanced the NB along with fixing the general bugs in the game, I think it would not only solve a lot of PvE problems, but even some PvP problems people are having. Any thoughts?

Jaxom wrote: »

If I remember correctly, I thought I saw something in the Reddit AMA that they would be toning down the vet content slightly? Having just hit VR3 on my NB (only character), I've already respecced twice. The Medium armor, bow/duel wield build I had leveling up just does not cut it anymore. The new build I'm running has yielded much more success but now I'm in full light armor, running a bow/destroy staff. Not what I had envisioned when I created him. That's not to say I'm not enjoying the build, because I am. What I'm saying is that I shouldn't be forced out of a playstyle due to broken skills and lackluster survivability.

This. 100 times this. "The class is fine l2p" crowd all play extremely similar builds and live in an ivory tower in which everything is totally fine.

Therium104 wrote: »

You find what works. All to often people envision themselves as only playing one spec and demanding it excel at everything. It is stupid and has no place in these games.

NB has the tools. It just requires a player with adequate skill to use them.

I know all if you want to be NB unkillable masters of aoe, cc, single target damage, with the ability to stay perm stealth and never die in one spec at all times. Thank god for us this will never happen.

So keep crying. It is falling on deaf ears.

Alright, I'm not feeding the troll anymore, someone else needs to or else it'll starve.

I've lost all will to level up my VR5 nightblade any further attempting to play a traditional assassin/rogue with medium armor and dual wield, single target is trash, have to rely purely on light and heavy attacks for damage or else sacrificing my crap survivability to be able to some decent burst damage, but then I turn into paper the second I try to take on more than one mob at a time, I've literally died in 3 seconds flat against a group of 3 how am I supposed to keep up with that? I can barely survive them if I stack survival skills (Mirage, Ember Explosion, Leeching Strikes, Swallow Soul, Invigorating Drain) but then it takes forever to kill one enemy and again, the survivability is crap even with all those, as an argonian with the ritual stone my self healing is utter garbage stacking all possible self healing buffs and abilities except for refreshing path.

So then I try to do pure damage, open with shadowcloak/surprise attack followed up by shadowcloak/ambush, okay cool, 1 enemy down, 2 more to go, pop swallow soul, out of magicka, flying blade spam gogogo, aw I'm dead again. So lets try to balance healing and single target damage, Leeching Strikes, Swallow Soul, Ambush, Invigorating Drain, Haste. But again, I've sacrificed tons of damage, I take so much damage from a lack of heavy armor and self healing is garbage, and might I add with 5/5 medium armor, haste and blinding flurry on I would expect my attack speed to jump through the roof, yet I notice no change to using haste just by itself I get the same effect it seems, and leeching strikes is stilling only healing for 2.4% rather than the stated 4%. For "King's of Single Target DPS" I'm having a really hard time trying to quest, just questing. Ridiculous, and I've already spent upwards 50k on respecs, having done it 5 times already and not about to do it again to make an aoe build, because that's not what I want to be. I have a few nightblade suggestions here to get across that assassin vibe going on.

Executioner: All Assassination abilities now deal bonus damage to low health targets and restores x% max magicka and health every second for 5 seconds after killing an enemy with an assassination ability. Effect increased by 1% for every assassin ability slotted.

Teleport Strike is now baseline AOE with baseline snare and deals immediate damage to all targets within it's radius, Lotus Fan morph now simply adds bleed damage over time and increases snare effect. Ambush remains unchanged. Reduced cast time from 1 second to 0.5 seconds.

Master Assassin: All assassination abilities when used from stealth while hidden now has an x% chance to stun, stun duration's increased by 0.5 seconds per assassination ability slotted. Other effects remain unchanged.

Veiled Strike is now an assassination ability, Blur is now a shadow ability.

Shadow cloak now counts as being hidden and all passives associated with being hidden now apply to shadow cloak. Shadow cloak also lasts baseline 0.5 seconds longer. Dark Cloak morph now removes all negative effects when activated as well as reducing effectiveness of all negative affects applied to you by x% for x seconds after coming of invisibility. While invisible all hidden attacks that would only normally apply from behind will now be applied regardless of which way the enemy is facing. (No longer have to pop shadow cloak, waste half it's duration to get behind the enemy and use your stun.)

Leeching strike now heals for the stated amount as well as applying a HoT for 5 seconds healing you for 50% of the damage done by your last 4 attacks. This effect can only be applied once every 10 seconds. In return, Siphoning Attacks now has a 20% chance to restore 20% max magicka and max stamina when using abilities.

The siphoning passive transfer now applies to all attacks when siphoning attacks is activated, transfer now applies to light and heavy attacks while leeching strikes is active.

Lol........ Bah. I want to own everything as a Nightblade and resent any class that can do anything better. I am quiting the game unless the devs make me super overpowered. I want to run one spec and be awesome at everything!!! Plus, I don't really want to play JUST with a few buttons. NB!!!!!

This thread is so funny. I say good riddens to all of you whiners. I am sure Hello Kitty mmo could be a great fit for all of you.

I am truly waiting for the next patch.. I am curious to see if these forums become useful or continue to fill with complaints.. Also a NB.. Yes fixes are needed, but we shall see I guess.

I am pretty annoyed with Nightblade gameplay. Trying to play an Altmer Nightblade, that will eventually go vamp. I might have one set of skills for siphon blood Mage, but I still really just want to play a backstabbing rogue, but it's not working very viably. Sucks cuz it's really the only class I want to play.

balance VR Content and nightblade or ZOS loose much paying players in the elder scrolls online.

When rolling my NB I was thinking of something like a Ninja...what I got was a rush in and die wannabe Assassin.

Okay... rush in and kill the target quickly... works fine as long as the target is a level or two below because with same level targets there is no rushing in and instant death..there is a several second fight each time... what assassination is that?

Okay...CC the target's buddy... fine, that works NOT. First of all it takes a long time to CC.. which of course has to be a spell since this is ESO. Secondly...the CC breaks stealth once it has been cast.

Okay... do not CC ...rush in kill the target and escape... fine thought. 2.5 seconds invisibility if there is no one seeing through it? How far do you think you get in 2.5 seconds?

Weak melee weapon skills and weak escape skills....and overly dependence on the only skill line that somewhat works...siphoning? I do not want to siphon health or whatever for a long fight... Quickly in... kill and be gone... that is an assassin and that is exactly what the ESO Assassin can NOT do if there are more than one NPC's bunched together.

No, I am not calling for a Nightblade that can do the same as a DK or Sorc. but i call for a Nightblade that first of all can use BLADES skillfully and second can stealth so well as to have a good chance to escape after the kill. And no, I do not wish to play a Ranger either, apart from these also being substandard after level 50.

Come on...right now what is the point? at level 4 facing two level 4 NPC's it is a tough fight. At level 50 and being a Master assassin facing two level 50 NPC's it is the same tough fight.
Hey!!!! what did I do in 50 levels if the outcome is the same as in level 4? Why level at all... why not play the game all at level 4 difficulty if it is just the same at level 50 as it is on level 4? Where is the sense of accomplishment.

where is...at level 4 I can successfully kill 2 targets and at level 51, being a Veteran I can overcome successfully 4 or 5 targets? at the moment there is not sense of achievement... no sense of being a level 1 Vet at all because it is all the same as in level 4

If after 50 levels all I have is a senseless clatter of skills I mostly do not use because I can not even slot them in my skill bar... what is the point?

FrauPerchta wrote: »

If you think NB is under powered you aren't playing the class right. Some NB builds are very OP.

Please elaborate? You mean the cheese resto staff build? Please go on.............

Therium104 wrote: »

Lol........ Bah. I want to own everything as a Nightblade and resent any class that can do anything better. I am quiting the game unless the devs make me super overpowered. I want to run one spec and be awesome at everything!!! Plus, I don't really want to play JUST with a few buttons. NB!!!!!

This thread is so funny. I say good riddens to all of you whiners. I am sure Hello Kitty mmo could be a great fit for all of you.

Ignore the troll.

He doesn't even play a NB, he plays a DK (haha). Nuff said.

merfpmerfinton wrote: »

I always find it kind of funny when people try to say the NB isn't an assassin class.
While it's true you don't have to play it that way, it is the default setup.

Create a new NB and cycle through the armor options. You're shown in full leather w/ dual daggers. If you don't think that means anything, then take a look at our class lines. Aside from having a line actually named "Assassination"...we have several actives and passives that involve stealth.
Master Assassin
Shadow Barrier
Surprise Attack / Concealed Weapon.
Ambush doesn't need to be used from stealth, but it certainly implies it. You don't ambush someone while in plain sight...
I doubt anyone who didn't have previous insight into this class picked it with the intention of using a staff.

My problem with the class is that it feels overwhelmingly mediocre.

Our single target dps basically consists of turning on Siphoning Strikes and spamming Surprise Attack and a sta dump. While this gives good numbers it's F'ing ***.

Stealth and invisibility are gimmicks. In pve they are really just for RP and in RvR you can have entire zergs stealthed in crouch mode. Any class can stealth and one shot a mob from stealth. There are also potions that will provide invisibility.
But really why bother sneaking up and killing 1-2 mobs in a stealthy manner at all when you can just run in gather up 6+ and AOE them down?
NBs can AOE well enough I suppose, but don't think its anywhere close to what a Sorc or DK can do.
And that's pretty much the crux of the matter. A NB can do decent, but anything the NB can do another class can do equally or better. Most people haven't realized this or just refuse to.

Poor guy. You are not overpowered and leading in tanking, healing, dps, and every aspect to the game so you are crying for buffs to be overpowered.

Pathetic.

Don't know why some among us feel the need to be so rude to each other. If there is such a large quantity of players that feel that the Nightblade needs some attention, tweaking, ect, then there is likely some credence to that notion. I see zero to no forums of this sort regarding other classes, and several regarding the Nightblade, therefor there has to be some aspect of the class that is causing players to feel like they aren't having an optimal experience playing as one.

Can we stop berating each other and all participate in a constructive conversation, that will not only help us all better enjoy the class more in it's current state, but also help Zeni to see what may need to change?

Sometimes there's a fine line between challenging and frustrating.

aipex8_ESO wrote: »

Lazrael wrote: »

I am pretty annoyed with Nightblade gameplay. Trying to play an Altmer Nightblade, that will eventually go vamp. I might have one set of skills for siphon blood Mage, but I still really just want to play a backstabbing rogue, but it's not working very viably. Sucks cuz it's really the only class I want to play.

Once you get vampirism you should be able to play that style. I do. I'm a dual wielding, all medium armor, mostly stamina based, vampire VR3 NB. The only class skill I use is ambush to open, then it's mostly rapid strikes. I use flying blade when I need a ranged attack and whirling blades for AoE (the damage on this one could be buffed a bit, but used with devouring swarm works well). Invigorating drain and devouring swarm keep you alive though, I don't think I'd do well specced like this without being a vampire as the syphon abilities don't heal as well from my experimenting.

There are certain mobs that are harder, and I do die, but this setup has worked for me and I don't feel like it's too hard for me to progress (I've never respecced ). I would say that this play style requires a bit more finesse though, and I don't just mean blocking/interrupting. Assessing each group you are going to attack, deciding which needs to be taken out first, etc. Not just running into the group and spamming.

Vampirism shouldn't be required to be a half decent nightblade, and aoe builds shouldn't be required to quest either, that's not what I signed up for.