NoTimeToWait wrote: »Every new plan from this last patch (that is not from the writ vendor) appears to exclusively drop from IA. As for the impact this all has, please read @NoTimeToWait post above.
All apocrypha plans also require 1-2 glass eyes which are dropped (almost exclusively, I believe) in IA as well. They are so rare they go for several thousand gold each because so few people are doing IA.
1.) I understand that the new plans come exclusively from IA. I mentioned that people who aren't inclined to run IA can always farm the other set of Necrom/Apocrypha plans which they can learn and/or sell to offset the cost of purchasing the new plans. If that isn't palatable, then I don't know what to tell you. I guess those people just don't get to have those plans.
2.) The crafting material drops from Scrivener's Hall, and I'm assuming that the same people are most likely not interested in running this content either. Once again, they can either farm the dungeon for materials (even on normal), or they can buy the same items on guild traders.
The problem is specifically high costs of housing in this game, which are getting higher. And these last furnishing plans and mats are a direct part of this problem.
You can easily drop 20 mil gold on furnishing a single house. That's without the costs of furnishing plans. If you add furnishing plans that could go anywhere around 25 mil (total spending), or even more. How many players do you think can get 30+ mil of disposable gold? Of course, it's not an entry level spending, but you get there eventually
You could say that other endgame activities are also heavy on spending, but both PVE and PVP generate a decent amount of gold (especially high tier PVE) while housing is something you take out of your coffer and won't get back.
You are correct in that housing is a huge drain on ones resources, and while I don't agree with the direction that the game ha gone regarding how to source furnishing materials, it would appear that it's here to stay. People have been complaining for years and ZOS has turned a deaf ear to their pleas. Any material that ONLY drops from doing daily quests is a problem in my eyes, whereas ZOS is trying to get people to run older/stale content. Calunda Lacquer was rough, but the Glass Eyes of Mora are a complete joke.
I just recently completed my collection and now know 100% of all furnishing plans, provisioning recipes, and motif chapters, so I'm well aware of just how expensive crafting (housing in particular) can be. While sourcing for crafting materials IS a huge issue, I think that one of the larger issues is that there are infinitely more people looking to consume said materials, while there are infinitely less people willing to farm them. Even if the materials were easier to obtain, I suspect this would continue to be the case.
Araneae6537 wrote: »I know many people who enjoy both housing and the Archive — myself included. It just feels like the new furnishing plans are too rare or gated behind higher arcs, but time will tell.
Speaking of IC and style pages, I WISH the class style pages worked like that — perfectly fine to be bind on pickup if they’re purchased, so long as that’s clear, as then you just buy them if you actually want them and othwrwise spend your currency elsewhere. But if a style page drops, it should be sellable!
Necrotech_Master wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »I know many people who enjoy both housing and the Archive — myself included. It just feels like the new furnishing plans are too rare or gated behind higher arcs, but time will tell.
Speaking of IC and style pages, I WISH the class style pages worked like that — perfectly fine to be bind on pickup if they’re purchased, so long as that’s clear, as then you just buy them if you actually want them and othwrwise spend your currency elsewhere. But if a style page drops, it should be sellable!
almost everything that drops in the archive is not tradeable, the only thing that really is archive specific that is tradeable are the furnishings and furnishing plans
all the class gear is temp tradeable as its BOP, all of the collectible pieces are bound, style pages are bound, and of course the leads
i wish we could at least sell the collectible items if they continue to drop even after you finish the collectible
Araneae6537 wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »I know many people who enjoy both housing and the Archive — myself included. It just feels like the new furnishing plans are too rare or gated behind higher arcs, but time will tell.
Speaking of IC and style pages, I WISH the class style pages worked like that — perfectly fine to be bind on pickup if they’re purchased, so long as that’s clear, as then you just buy them if you actually want them and othwrwise spend your currency elsewhere. But if a style page drops, it should be sellable!
almost everything that drops in the archive is not tradeable, the only thing that really is archive specific that is tradeable are the furnishings and furnishing plans
all the class gear is temp tradeable as its BOP, all of the collectible pieces are bound, style pages are bound, and of course the leads
i wish we could at least sell the collectible items if they continue to drop even after you finish the collectible
The gear I don’t have a problem with as that’s like dungeons, right? (Although it would be nice if it had a chance to drop a Glass Eye of Mora on decon instead of nothing at all.) But motif and style pages that drop in dungeons have always been tradeable. I don’t know of any other style page that drops but is not tradeable.
Have they not fixed the collectible fragments dropping after finishing the collectible? I thought that was fixed this last patch but I only recently finished the mount and don’t have the others yet.
Necrotech_Master wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »I know many people who enjoy both housing and the Archive — myself included. It just feels like the new furnishing plans are too rare or gated behind higher arcs, but time will tell.
Speaking of IC and style pages, I WISH the class style pages worked like that — perfectly fine to be bind on pickup if they’re purchased, so long as that’s clear, as then you just buy them if you actually want them and othwrwise spend your currency elsewhere. But if a style page drops, it should be sellable!
almost everything that drops in the archive is not tradeable, the only thing that really is archive specific that is tradeable are the furnishings and furnishing plans
all the class gear is temp tradeable as its BOP, all of the collectible pieces are bound, style pages are bound, and of course the leads
i wish we could at least sell the collectible items if they continue to drop even after you finish the collectible
The gear I don’t have a problem with as that’s like dungeons, right? (Although it would be nice if it had a chance to drop a Glass Eye of Mora on decon instead of nothing at all.) But motif and style pages that drop in dungeons have always been tradeable. I don’t know of any other style page that drops but is not tradeable.
Have they not fixed the collectible fragments dropping after finishing the collectible? I thought that was fixed this last patch but I only recently finished the mount and don’t have the others yet.
on the part of collectibles, from what ive heard they fixed it so you cant buy the collectible pieces if you have the collectibles unlocked (such as from filer ool) but i dont think it stopped them from dropping naturally from what ive heard
Araneae6537 wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »I know many people who enjoy both housing and the Archive — myself included. It just feels like the new furnishing plans are too rare or gated behind higher arcs, but time will tell.
Speaking of IC and style pages, I WISH the class style pages worked like that — perfectly fine to be bind on pickup if they’re purchased, so long as that’s clear, as then you just buy them if you actually want them and othwrwise spend your currency elsewhere. But if a style page drops, it should be sellable!
almost everything that drops in the archive is not tradeable, the only thing that really is archive specific that is tradeable are the furnishings and furnishing plans
all the class gear is temp tradeable as its BOP, all of the collectible pieces are bound, style pages are bound, and of course the leads
i wish we could at least sell the collectible items if they continue to drop even after you finish the collectible
The gear I don’t have a problem with as that’s like dungeons, right? (Although it would be nice if it had a chance to drop a Glass Eye of Mora on decon instead of nothing at all.) But motif and style pages that drop in dungeons have always been tradeable. I don’t know of any other style page that drops but is not tradeable.
Have they not fixed the collectible fragments dropping after finishing the collectible? I thought that was fixed this last patch but I only recently finished the mount and don’t have the others yet.
on the part of collectibles, from what ive heard they fixed it so you cant buy the collectible pieces if you have the collectibles unlocked (such as from filer ool) but i dont think it stopped them from dropping naturally from what ive heard
Edit: Oops, sorry, misread your post at first.
That’s true, but I believe I also didn’t receive a maligraphic ichor upon completing the daily after having unlocked the mount. I’ll have to check on that. It would be nice if it were then replaced by an extra 1k currency, but oh well!
Necrotech_Master wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »I know many people who enjoy both housing and the Archive — myself included. It just feels like the new furnishing plans are too rare or gated behind higher arcs, but time will tell.
Speaking of IC and style pages, I WISH the class style pages worked like that — perfectly fine to be bind on pickup if they’re purchased, so long as that’s clear, as then you just buy them if you actually want them and othwrwise spend your currency elsewhere. But if a style page drops, it should be sellable!
almost everything that drops in the archive is not tradeable, the only thing that really is archive specific that is tradeable are the furnishings and furnishing plans
all the class gear is temp tradeable as its BOP, all of the collectible pieces are bound, style pages are bound, and of course the leads
i wish we could at least sell the collectible items if they continue to drop even after you finish the collectible
The gear I don’t have a problem with as that’s like dungeons, right? (Although it would be nice if it had a chance to drop a Glass Eye of Mora on decon instead of nothing at all.) But motif and style pages that drop in dungeons have always been tradeable. I don’t know of any other style page that drops but is not tradeable.
Have they not fixed the collectible fragments dropping after finishing the collectible? I thought that was fixed this last patch but I only recently finished the mount and don’t have the others yet.
on the part of collectibles, from what ive heard they fixed it so you cant buy the collectible pieces if you have the collectibles unlocked (such as from filer ool) but i dont think it stopped them from dropping naturally from what ive heard
Edit: Oops, sorry, misread your post at first.
That’s true, but I believe I also didn’t receive a maligraphic ichor upon completing the daily after having unlocked the mount. I’ll have to check on that. It would be nice if it were then replaced by an extra 1k currency, but oh well!
once you finish the mount, the daily changes to give you a box of random piece of set gear instead of ichor, but you can still get ichor as a drop randomly from within the archive (it was the rarest of the 4 collectibles to get as a drop but still possible)
my understanding was the only thing they changed is that they removed the ability to buy extras of these collectibles if you have already finished the collectible
Araneae6537 wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »I know many people who enjoy both housing and the Archive — myself included. It just feels like the new furnishing plans are too rare or gated behind higher arcs, but time will tell.
Speaking of IC and style pages, I WISH the class style pages worked like that — perfectly fine to be bind on pickup if they’re purchased, so long as that’s clear, as then you just buy them if you actually want them and othwrwise spend your currency elsewhere. But if a style page drops, it should be sellable!
almost everything that drops in the archive is not tradeable, the only thing that really is archive specific that is tradeable are the furnishings and furnishing plans
all the class gear is temp tradeable as its BOP, all of the collectible pieces are bound, style pages are bound, and of course the leads
i wish we could at least sell the collectible items if they continue to drop even after you finish the collectible
The gear I don’t have a problem with as that’s like dungeons, right? (Although it would be nice if it had a chance to drop a Glass Eye of Mora on decon instead of nothing at all.) But motif and style pages that drop in dungeons have always been tradeable. I don’t know of any other style page that drops but is not tradeable.
Have they not fixed the collectible fragments dropping after finishing the collectible? I thought that was fixed this last patch but I only recently finished the mount and don’t have the others yet.
on the part of collectibles, from what ive heard they fixed it so you cant buy the collectible pieces if you have the collectibles unlocked (such as from filer ool) but i dont think it stopped them from dropping naturally from what ive heard
Edit: Oops, sorry, misread your post at first.
That’s true, but I believe I also didn’t receive a maligraphic ichor upon completing the daily after having unlocked the mount. I’ll have to check on that. It would be nice if it were then replaced by an extra 1k currency, but oh well!
once you finish the mount, the daily changes to give you a box of random piece of set gear instead of ichor, but you can still get ichor as a drop randomly from within the archive (it was the rarest of the 4 collectibles to get as a drop but still possible)
my understanding was the only thing they changed is that they removed the ability to buy extras of these collectibles if you have already finished the collectible
Ahhh, now it makes sense, thank you!
Well, they should fix that! Or make the fragments and style pages (if they MUST drop) be salable to the Filers for Archival currency.
katanagirl1 wrote: »I’m doing the IA every week now but have little to show from plans other than all the greens and a few blues of the original set. (U41 not here yet on console.)
I have never got a purple plan even on U40. Also there are lots of leads that I have not got yet. I believe the higher arcs might give a better chance for these, and that could be seen as unfair. Time and/or ability limits how long someone can stay in IA. There are health concerns for spending too much time doing this activity.
I can buy purple and gold plans in traders, but even on console they are 100k and higher. I cannot buy leads at all.
katanagirl1 wrote: »I’m doing the IA every week now but have little to show from plans other than all the greens and a few blues of the original set. (U41 not here yet on console.)
I have never got a purple plan even on U40. Also there are lots of leads that I have not got yet. I believe the higher arcs might give a better chance for these, and that could be seen as unfair. Time and/or ability limits how long someone can stay in IA. There are health concerns for spending too much time doing this activity.
I can buy purple and gold plans in traders, but even on console they are 100k and higher. I cannot buy leads at all.
Carcamongus wrote: »I've been running the Archive almost daily starting a few days after the Witches Festival ended. Never have I gotten a furnishing plan from a cycle boss chest, only from the scamp and marauders, and chests from optional content and Tho'at.
The gold plans can indeed drop at the earlier arcs, they're just rare.
katanagirl1 wrote: »Carcamongus wrote: »I've been running the Archive almost daily starting a few days after the Witches Festival ended. Never have I gotten a furnishing plan from a cycle boss chest, only from the scamp and marauders, and chests from optional content and Tho'at.
The gold plans can indeed drop at the earlier arcs, they're just rare.
Arc 1 doesn’t have a marauder, and rarely has the Pilferer in my experience.
So if you only do one arc, and are stuck at the puzzles, you really have only one chest from which you might get the plan. I don’t know if leads are the same.
Carcamongus wrote: »katanagirl1 wrote: »Carcamongus wrote: »I've been running the Archive almost daily starting a few days after the Witches Festival ended. Never have I gotten a furnishing plan from a cycle boss chest, only from the scamp and marauders, and chests from optional content and Tho'at.
The gold plans can indeed drop at the earlier arcs, they're just rare.
Arc 1 doesn’t have a marauder, and rarely has the Pilferer in my experience.
So if you only do one arc, and are stuck at the puzzles, you really have only one chest from which you might get the plan. I don’t know if leads are the same.
In my experience, leads never drop from cycle boss chests, but only from the same sources as the furnishing plans.
Can anyone confirm if you've gotten blue or purple new, U41 Apocrypha furnishing plans below Arc 4-6?
After 2 weeks of daily IA runs since U41 launched, I have:
- > 200K Archival Fortunes
- Full bound Arcanist style unlocked (don't even want)
- More bound styles, for classes I don't even have (starting to delete them)
- Full Ayleid Torc, + on a 2nd round of leads for another (also don't need)
- Unlocked several other antiquities 3/3+
But only ONE, maybe two, U41 purple furniture plans, only beyond Arc 4+. Only a couple of U41 blues and greens dropped.
Also, annoyingly, GW and other "chest"-loot-table containers beyond Arc 4 have dropped old green plans.
The style pages and armor pieces drop tons, and you can even buy them from the Filers additionally. I wish the Filers would also sell crates with random furnishing plans.
Can anyone confirm if you've gotten blue or purple new, U41 Apocrypha furnishing plans below Arc 4-6?
After 2 weeks of daily IA runs since U41 launched, I have:
- > 200K Archival Fortunes
- Full bound Arcanist style unlocked (don't even want)
- More bound styles, for classes I don't even have (starting to delete them)
- Full Ayleid Torc, + on a 2nd round of leads for another (also don't need)
- Unlocked several other antiquities 3/3+
But only ONE, maybe two, U41 purple furniture plans, only beyond Arc 4+. Only a couple of U41 blues and greens dropped.
Also, annoyingly, GW and other "chest"-loot-table containers beyond Arc 4 have dropped old green plans.
The style pages and armor pieces drop tons, and you can even buy them from the Filers additionally. I wish the Filers would also sell crates with random furnishing plans.
ESO_player123 wrote: »Can anyone confirm if you've gotten blue or purple new, U41 Apocrypha furnishing plans below Arc 4-6?
After 2 weeks of daily IA runs since U41 launched, I have:
- > 200K Archival Fortunes
- Full bound Arcanist style unlocked (don't even want)
- More bound styles, for classes I don't even have (starting to delete them)
- Full Ayleid Torc, + on a 2nd round of leads for another (also don't need)
- Unlocked several other antiquities 3/3+
But only ONE, maybe two, U41 purple furniture plans, only beyond Arc 4+. Only a couple of U41 blues and greens dropped.
Also, annoyingly, GW and other "chest"-loot-table containers beyond Arc 4 have dropped old green plans.
The style pages and armor pieces drop tons, and you can even buy them from the Filers additionally. I wish the Filers would also sell crates with random furnishing plans.
I got a blue furnishing plan for an Apocrypha door from either arc 1 or 2. I rarely venture into arc 3 as I find it not worth the time.
Edit: and I agree that the drop rate is terrible.
ESO_player123 wrote: »Can anyone confirm if you've gotten blue or purple new, U41 Apocrypha furnishing plans below Arc 4-6?
After 2 weeks of daily IA runs since U41 launched, I have:
- > 200K Archival Fortunes
- Full bound Arcanist style unlocked (don't even want)
- More bound styles, for classes I don't even have (starting to delete them)
- Full Ayleid Torc, + on a 2nd round of leads for another (also don't need)
- Unlocked several other antiquities 3/3+
But only ONE, maybe two, U41 purple furniture plans, only beyond Arc 4+. Only a couple of U41 blues and greens dropped.
Also, annoyingly, GW and other "chest"-loot-table containers beyond Arc 4 have dropped old green plans.
The style pages and armor pieces drop tons, and you can even buy them from the Filers additionally. I wish the Filers would also sell crates with random furnishing plans.
I got a blue furnishing plan for an Apocrypha door from either arc 1 or 2. I rarely venture into arc 3 as I find it not worth the time.
Edit: and I agree that the drop rate is terrible.
James-Wayne wrote: »- Antiquity Leads for the Torc of the Last Ayleid King Mythic item will now drop more reliably.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
I really don't understand the patch notes on this item because I have unlocked 2 and a bit Mythics for this item in my runs for furniture plans so they are dropping for me all the time yet these furniture plans have not dropped once.
I have done Arc 1-4 everyday (multiple runs on weekends) since launch of Update and not received a single furnishing plan drop from end of boss chests, marauders or even side quest chests, nothing.
Can you please get the team to investigate? I have submitted many in-game ticket requests and will continue to submit everyday they dont drop for me or till we get some kind of communication regarding it. Thank you.
Dragonnord wrote: »James-Wayne wrote: »- Antiquity Leads for the Torc of the Last Ayleid King Mythic item will now drop more reliably.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
I really don't understand the patch notes on this item because I have unlocked 2 and a bit Mythics for this item in my runs for furniture plans so they are dropping for me all the time yet these furniture plans have not dropped once.
I have done Arc 1-4 everyday (multiple runs on weekends) since launch of Update and not received a single furnishing plan drop from end of boss chests, marauders or even side quest chests, nothing.
Can you please get the team to investigate? I have submitted many in-game ticket requests and will continue to submit everyday they dont drop for me or till we get some kind of communication regarding it. Thank you.
And the patch notes is saying that the Leads will drop more often now.