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We need to talk about Columbine
DrNukenstein
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Below is a screenshot from Tamriel trade center. Pages and pages of Columbine going for upwards of 3500 per, with many going for over 4500
Just the columbine for a stack of 100 tristat potions costs an average of 100k. 1000 gold+ per potion, and they are a staple of PvP community play patterns. At this point it's completely impossible to sustain tristat pot consumption with the rewards from content, PvE or PvP.
Something's gotta give on these, and I'm not here to say @zos this is for sure a problem and needs to be fixed in your game that you say you own/run. But it's kind of a problem with this game that you own/run. While I know I will never be asked by an employee of ZOS how to fix this problem, here are some ideas on how to fix this problem:
-Give Columbine in rewards for the worthy, everyday and all year.
-Add one or several other reagents that can be used instead of Columbine
-Create more options for mag+stam pots that don't use Columbine or other current huge money reagents. The health restore is nice but is the least useful thing of these very useful potions
-price control through buying with AP. This is probably less than ideal though, since the biggest users are printing AP like mad men and getting the price right without killing off the buying and selling of herbs would be trickier than "fixing" cross healing.
Last idea: Just get rid of them. I love them, I love using them. But let's be real here, in the hybrid era these are like a top 5 enabler for do it all builds and drawn out fights, and no other potion option (except the rightfully even more expensive stam/mag/heroism) is close to being as universally useful.
Just the columbine for a stack of 100 tristat potions costs an average of 100k. 1000 gold+ per potion, and they are a staple of PvP community play patterns. At this point it's completely impossible to sustain tristat pot consumption with the rewards from content, PvE or PvP.
Something's gotta give on these, and I'm not here to say @zos this is for sure a problem and needs to be fixed in your game that you say you own/run. But it's kind of a problem with this game that you own/run. While I know I will never be asked by an employee of ZOS how to fix this problem, here are some ideas on how to fix this problem:
-Give Columbine in rewards for the worthy, everyday and all year.
-Add one or several other reagents that can be used instead of Columbine
-Create more options for mag+stam pots that don't use Columbine or other current huge money reagents. The health restore is nice but is the least useful thing of these very useful potions
-price control through buying with AP. This is probably less than ideal though, since the biggest users are printing AP like mad men and getting the price right without killing off the buying and selling of herbs would be trickier than "fixing" cross healing.
Last idea: Just get rid of them. I love them, I love using them. But let's be real here, in the hybrid era these are like a top 5 enabler for do it all builds and drawn out fights, and no other potion option (except the rightfully even more expensive stam/mag/heroism) is close to being as universally useful.
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Tallon_IV✭✭✭I took a short break from the game, and was surprised to see how much the prices for everything changed in a seemingly short amount of time. Columbine from ~500 to 3.5k or more, dreugh wax 4k to over 40k. Not a problem for me since I do writs, but surprising still.PC NA0 -
Necrotech_Master✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭this is why i sell all of my columbine lolplays PC/NA
handle @Necrotech_Master
active player since april 2014
i have my main house (grand topal hideaway) listed in the housing tours, it has multiple target dummies, scribing altar, and grandmaster stations (in progress being filled out), as well as almost every antiquity furnishing on display to preview them
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LokiPagan✭✭✭✭I mean, yeah, this is important, but Zenimax is busy dealing with super important issues like nerfing sets that three people use in a way they don't like. They have no time for boring stuff like fixing the economy or making sure players have fun.32 -
sarahthes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭A solution that would put some downward pressure on columbine would be AP tripots.23 -
freespirit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Some other sources besides farming....
Waxed Apothicary Sacks, 500 Tel Var(pretty good drop rate)
Alchemy Surveys(reset until at least one Columbine is showing)
Daily Chest in Dragonguard Sanctuary(frequently drops 3 columbine, drops rheum and dragon blood too, sell and buy columbine)
ToT reward coffers(I see a fair amount in the green NPC daily rewards)
Alchemy Daily rewards(make sure you use less expensive mats to make the potions for these dailies)
🙂When people say to me........
"You're going to regret that in the morning"
I sleep until midday cos I'm a problem solver!17 -
DrNukenstein✭✭✭✭✭freespirit wrote: »Some other sources besides farming....
ToT reward coffers(I see a fair amount in the green NPC daily rewards)
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The absolute irony of making Columbine a ToT reward.9 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DrNukenstein wrote: »Just the columbine for a stack of 100 tristat potions costs an average of 100k. 1000 gold+ per potion, and they are a staple of PvP community play patterns. At this point it's completely impossible to sustain tristat pot consumption with the rewards from content, PvE or PvP.
A lot of us also eat Bewitched Sugar Skulls (and other foods) all day, which use columbine as well. But fortunately, we have the ability to go pick our own if we don't want to pay for it. Or do like I usually do, and go find items that sell for millions of gold, and then buy what you need to support your play style.15 -
Ugrak✭✭✭✭What if there was something like a transmute station for crafting components?
For example turn one resource into another by consuming a third type.4 -
Kaelthorn_Nightbloom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Columbine is now the price of what Dragon's Blood used to be a few years back.PC NA0 -
Brakkish✭✭✭✭The prices on PS aren't that bad (comparatively). Which I find crazy, since when you're farming on console you don't have nifty addons making life a whole lot easier.
Prices for tri-pots on PS NA is ~190g per pot.
If I'm understanding this right, then I certainly feel your pain PC people; as at the rate I go through pots and sugar skulls I'd be hurting for gold - for sure.
I easily go through 80-100 pots per day, and several stacks on weekends.
Edited by Brakkish on February 28, 2024 11:27PMCP2802 +8100 hrs spent in BGs. US PS5 - 10 PVP Tanks - toons named variations of "Combat Medic" I like long walks on the beach. What's PVE? https://www.youtube.com/brakkish2 -
CrashTest✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nothing needs to be done because this isn't a problem. Columbine is plentiful all over Tamriel and drops from various activities or just sell what you have and use that gold to buy it.
If you don't like the Columbine price, then farm it yourself. If you don't have the time or hate farming, then you're going to have to trade with those who use their time to farm.35 -
mzprx✭✭✭✭✭freespirit wrote: »...Alchemy Surveys(reset until at least one Columbine is showing)...
just one (maybe a silly) question - how does one reset an Alchemy Survey?3 -
Ugrak✭✭✭✭freespirit wrote: »...Alchemy Surveys(reset until at least one Columbine is showing)...
just one (maybe a silly) question - how does one reset an Alchemy Survey?
Walk away some distance, then return. The plants will have respawned and do so in a random way so you might get lucky.
Same process as when picking stacked survey maps to get them to respawn.12 -
HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭a stack of tripots is around 15k telvar (Prismatic armor glyphs) / 300k AP (dawn prisms). It's really really sustainable.1 -
Drammanoth✭✭✭✭✭Isn't it greed-driven inflation?
Aren't you doing it to yourselves?
Dunno, just a thought...3 -
HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Drammanoth wrote: »Isn't it greed-driven inflation?
Aren't you doing it to yourselves?
Dunno, just a thought...
The thing is, it's not just columbine that got more expensive over time. Everything did. So if you're gold making methods involve selling to other people, then you are also making more gold.
So it's basically the same thing, just more gold moving around per transaction.
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Kavreiss✭✭✭i assume this is pc na? because they so crazy, thats how i know and so i play pc eu we they not so crazy.0
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VisitHammerfell✭✭✭✭freespirit wrote: »Some other sources besides farming....
Waxed Apothicary Sacks, 500 Tel Var(pretty good drop rate)
Alchemy Surveys(reset until at least one Columbine is showing)
Daily Chest in Dragonguard Sanctuary(frequently drops 3 columbine, drops rheum and dragon blood too, sell and buy columbine)
ToT reward coffers(I see a fair amount in the green NPC daily rewards)
Alchemy Daily rewards(make sure you use less expensive mats to make the potions for these dailies)
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Also the alchemy satchets from the Archive! I do wish we would have an alchemy hireling though. (And jewelry, and for housing mats to be included in each pool)freespirit wrote: »...Alchemy Surveys(reset until at least one Columbine is showing)...
just one (maybe a silly) question - how does one reset an Alchemy Survey?
Besides the above mentioned running away and coming back, you can also teleport to a house you don't own and then exit, as some surveys require quite the distance to reset (Rivenspire clothier....)FOR THE COVENANT! 🦁
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PS EU 1650+
PS NA alt 650+
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Kavreiss✭✭✭And see people who want cross play seriously need to read this post and sober up. be grateful you are shielding from the kookie pc na server madness,15
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ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's because of this that I resort to buying Alliance War Pots instead, however I don't buy the Health one because for SOME reason one of its traits is Invisibility. Why? I just want a basic Tri Pot for some of my characters.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Dax_Draconis✭✭✭✭Nothing needs to be done because this isn't a problem. Columbine is plentiful all over Tamriel and drops from various activities or just sell what you have and use that gold to buy it.
If you don't like the Columbine price, then farm it yourself. If you don't have the time or hate farming, then you're going to have to trade with those who use their time to farm.
How can something so plentiful be so expensive then? It seems ZOS needs to flood the market with these "plentiful" items to drive down the price of them.
I understand rare items being expensive, but as you said, it is plentiful, so why are they so expensive?2 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dax_Draconis wrote: »I understand rare items being expensive, but as you said, it is plentiful, so why are they so expensive?
It is used in the making of consumables. And those consumables are being used up fast, resulting in a supply that can't keep up with the demand.
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Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dax_Draconis wrote: »Nothing needs to be done because this isn't a problem. Columbine is plentiful all over Tamriel and drops from various activities or just sell what you have and use that gold to buy it.
If you don't like the Columbine price, then farm it yourself. If you don't have the time or hate farming, then you're going to have to trade with those who use their time to farm.
How can something so plentiful be so expensive then? It seems ZOS needs to flood the market with these "plentiful" items to drive down the price of them.
I understand rare items being expensive, but as you said, it is plentiful, so why are they so expensive?
It comes down to people more willing to spend the gold than to take the time to farm it.
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Pelanora✭✭✭✭✭
✭spartaxoxo wrote: »Dax_Draconis wrote: »I understand rare items being expensive, but as you said, it is plentiful, so why are they so expensive?
It is used in the making of consumables. And those consumables are being used up fast, resulting in a supply that can't keep up with the demand.
So not, by definition, plentiful.
Just change the recipe to be any one of a number of plants. Easy.2 -
DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's not a supply issue. There's an infinite amount of Columbine out there. Always just sitting right there, ripe for the picking.
The real issue is that too many players are too impatient, and gradually over time pay a little bit more, then a little more, then a little more. Until >BLAM!< the buyers finally hit a wall with prices they're unwilling to pay. But they do it anyway, cuz hey, you can't miss any time can you?
The fix is simple.. Don't pay those prices. EZ enuff. Take a break from those activities that require such an obscene consumption of pots and wait for the sellers to look at their piles of product doing absolutely nothing for them. There actually are other activities in game that don't require so many pots. Might not be your first choice, or even second or third. But hey, :shrug: it's either that or pay the prices. Eventually the sellers will come around. Or more likely, new younger sellers will come in and take over the buisness.
Why expect the game developers to fix a player made problem?
Edited by DenverRalphy on February 29, 2024 3:11AM13 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »Dax_Draconis wrote: »I understand rare items being expensive, but as you said, it is plentiful, so why are they so expensive?
It is used in the making of consumables. And those consumables are being used up fast, resulting in a supply that can't keep up with the demand.
So not, by definition, plentiful.
Just change the recipe to be any one of a number of plants. Easy.
If you're not using the pots in question and have ESO+, you're probably sitting on loads of Columbine, because it's pretty easy to get. There's a lot on the servers.Edited by spartaxoxo on February 29, 2024 3:17AM4
