Aurielle wrote: »

Czeri wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Czeri wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Czeri wrote: »

However, it's the second time this week when 3 of the 5 daily endeavors require going into PvP areas. That's just rude!

I mean, there is a PVP event ongoing… expect more PVP-related endeavors in the coming days.

2 out of 5, absolutely, 3 out of 5 is forcing PvP, which is a terrible idea in an Elder Scrolls game.

Why is it a terrible idea in a 10 year old Elder Scrolls game that has had PVP since launch and currently has an active PVP event? No one is forcing you to do PVP. You are free to do the non-PVP endeavors and skip the last daily if you like. I often skip any daily endeavors that take a while to complete and can’t be naturally completed during tasks I do every day in game. I find the Infinite Archive incredibly boring, for instance. If there was some IA event ongoing, with IA-themed endeavors, I simply wouldn’t do them (or I’d just suck it up and do them if there was something in the clown crates that I had my eye on).

Oh yeah, I skipped the third both times. It's just bad design to have to miss out on a daily endeavor because I don't like 3 of the 5 choices for the exact same reason.

To be fair, this is a game that appeals to a wide variety of players. It’s impossible to please everyone at all times. Endeavors are simply a way of granting players the ability to acquire Crown Crate items without spending real money. You don’t have to do them. There are often endeavors I don’t like — I don’t come to the forums to complain about them, I just either ignore them or suck it up and do them. It’s not a big deal, one way or another.

Sometimes in life we have to do things we don’t like in order to get a shiny reward, and this is one of those times for you. It’s a video game, sure, but video games (especially MMOs) often feature a diverse mix of content that doesn’t always appeal to every single player.

Totally absolutelhy true. It's actually a rare week I get a weekly done, as the only things I'm willing to mess with are antiquities, harvesting nodes, and things like getting however many tickets when it's NOT pvp. I never need to do all the endeavors even every day, there's very few days I do all 3. Today I did ONE. Every account on both PC NA and EU are sitting on between 7500 and 9500 SOE, and really, it's rare that there's much for me to spend them on (I really do NOT like radiant apex mounts, things like the polymorphs, any thing overly flashy etc).

Last time I spent any SOE, it was for the fancy eye makeup and a couple of cosmetics in similar colors (because while I don't care for the radiant apex mounts, I fell in love with the Solstice Indrik, and the account I have that on - one account both NA and EU, I now have some cosmetics that stand out pretty nicely with the mount).

Right now, I'm concentrating on making sure I get enough tickets to finish the dawnwood indrik before the end of this quarter - but I don't need to pvp to do that as I'm not above buying a few tickets if I have to.

I really wish they'd give you pvp folks something to do in the "regular" events that was pvp, y'know?

[Edit for typos]

I think that's a great idea! They'd probably have to spin up almost permanent extra campaigns - which I suppose might hurt someone's soul, but sounds like a great option to me.

No one really addressed my point in the OP!

These should be reasonably balanced and other weeks err far more in other directions as well. It can be challenging with just 5 choices daily and 3 weekly I suppose, but nothing requires limiting that. Some are very easy, with 4 or even 5 very simple ones. Others are much more complicated, like this week.

Someone needs at ZOS should keep an eye here as well, though I won't hold my breath waiting for that.

I agree endeavors should be reasonably balanced, but to me that also means that some weeks are more challenging than others. We've had several weeks where you only need to farm 100 nodes or whatever, and last week I inadvertantly earned the weekly endeavor in 5 seconds by refining mats. I don't really do trials or PVP but I'm fine with missing out one week of endeavors if we get easy weeks as well.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I mean if they have stuff for all types of content and players, then obviously that means the endeavors will vary in complexity and time taken too. That's because they include everyone.

Overall we do have a mix. But each week should be reasonably balanced, more than it is now.

They can't be prefect with only 5 dailies, but some days are much more unbalanced than others.

TaSheen wrote: »

Totally absolutelhy true. It's actually a rare week I get a weekly done, as the only things I'm willing to mess with are antiquities, harvesting nodes, and things like getting however many tickets when it's NOT pvp. I never need to do all the endeavors even every day, there's very few days I do all 3. Today I did ONE. Every account on both PC NA and EU are sitting on between 7500 and 9500 SOE, and really, it's rare that there's much for me to spend them on (I really do NOT like radiant apex mounts, things like the polymorphs, any thing overly flashy etc).

Last time I spent any SOE, it was for the fancy eye makeup and a couple of cosmetics in similar colors (because while I don't care for the radiant apex mounts, I fell in love with the Solstice Indrik, and the account I have that on - one account both NA and EU, I now have some cosmetics that stand out pretty nicely with the mount).

Right now, I'm concentrating on making sure I get enough tickets to finish the dawnwood indrik before the end of this quarter - but I don't need to pvp to do that as I'm not above buying a few tickets if I have to.

I really wish they'd give you pvp folks something to do in the "regular" events that was pvp, y'know?

So much all of this. I've been saying for years that ALL events should have something for PvP as well as PvE - something for eveyrone, every event. The PvPers really do get short thrifted on so much of the game and I feel it's really not fair to them, considering that both elements are a main part of the game.

I say this as a PvEer too - I don't PvP at all if I can help it, but I still feel it's not fair to them. Events really should have some element for each play type.

Czeri wrote: »

I've been arguing before that MYM should be running alongside every PvE event. That way people could truly do what they like to earn tickets every time. I've been told the servers might combust if that ever happened, but I don't really see why. It's not like there are players out there who only turn the game on for an event, are there? So the number of players wouldn't increase just because two activities were offering rewards at the same time...

That is a good idea.

I doubt the servers would combust. In fact, it might be easier on the servers.

Heck, for Jester's Festival they could force everyone to wear the same costume, regardless of gear. AD could be a Banana costume, DC could be a Blueberry costume, and EP could be a Cherry costume. That would certainly reduce client load, since only three costumes would need to be loaded.

LunaFlora wrote: »

the new weekly endeavours are better to me.

you can get Tel Var Stones from any kills in imperial city so the sewers work too.

7 dungeons can be as simple as Fungal Grotto 1 or Banished Cells 7 times.

and 10 event tickets could be from any of the cyrodiil and imperial city quests
so for example the Fighters Guild bounty quests in Cyrodiil which are unlikely to include PvP.

while it is very easy to farm the 1500 tel var (even easier due to the double drop rate), if you complete the endeavor while outside of the base it does grant you 5000 tel var to your character, which is technically at risk if your not in the base lol

im sure that has gotten some people lol

katanagirl1 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

the new weekly endeavours are better to me.

you can get Tel Var Stones from any kills in imperial city so the sewers work too.

7 dungeons can be as simple as Fungal Grotto 1 or Banished Cells 7 times.

and 10 event tickets could be from any of the cyrodiil and imperial city quests
so for example the Fighters Guild bounty quests in Cyrodiil which are unlikely to include PvP.

I would agree. It is just a bit of a grind this week, but easy to do for all.

The dailies are a bit more annoying today:

- Decon 10 BS items
- Acquire 1 new Mundus stone boon
- Complete 1 quest in Chorrol
- Complete 1 Tribute Match
- Capture 1 resource in Cyrodiil

The first 2 are simple, but the others are either more complicated or annoying (ToT).

Reaching Chorrol is tough for many, especially AD. I have enough alts that I can pick the right faction if I don't happen upon a rare time AD controls most of the map on 1 of the choices.

I have argued before that this should not be tied to Chorrol, especially since it can be hard to find on the map if you do not have that ingrained into your head and that it is so close to 1 faction. It is sloggable though.

Those quests do rotate around, I have done Vlastarus before and Bruma, and even gotten Cheydinal but I typically don’t do that one because it’s in EP territory.

EDIT: I think Cropsford comes up too and I may have done that a few times.

I understand that, but this one is quite hard for AD in many ways. The others are likely harder for at least one faction. Why not just require "complete one daily town quest" instead?

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

the new weekly endeavours are better to me.

you can get Tel Var Stones from any kills in imperial city so the sewers work too.

7 dungeons can be as simple as Fungal Grotto 1 or Banished Cells 7 times.

and 10 event tickets could be from any of the cyrodiil and imperial city quests
so for example the Fighters Guild bounty quests in Cyrodiil which are unlikely to include PvP.

I would agree. It is just a bit of a grind this week, but easy to do for all.

The dailies are a bit more annoying today:

- Decon 10 BS items
- Acquire 1 new Mundus stone boon
- Complete 1 quest in Chorrol
- Complete 1 Tribute Match
- Capture 1 resource in Cyrodiil

The first 2 are simple, but the others are either more complicated or annoying (ToT).

Reaching Chorrol is tough for many, especially AD. I have enough alts that I can pick the right faction if I don't happen upon a rare time AD controls most of the map on 1 of the choices.

I have argued before that this should not be tied to Chorrol, especially since it can be hard to find on the map if you do not have that ingrained into your head and that it is so close to 1 faction. It is sloggable though.

Those quests do rotate around, I have done Vlastarus before and Bruma, and even gotten Cheydinal but I typically don’t do that one because it’s in EP territory.

EDIT: I think Cropsford comes up too and I may have done that a few times.

I understand that, but this one is quite hard for AD in many ways. The others are likely harder for at least one faction. Why not just require "complete one daily town quest" instead?

Chorrol isn't that far from Carmala, and it's common for AD to own that.

kringled_1 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

the new weekly endeavours are better to me.

you can get Tel Var Stones from any kills in imperial city so the sewers work too.

7 dungeons can be as simple as Fungal Grotto 1 or Banished Cells 7 times.

and 10 event tickets could be from any of the cyrodiil and imperial city quests
so for example the Fighters Guild bounty quests in Cyrodiil which are unlikely to include PvP.

I would agree. It is just a bit of a grind this week, but easy to do for all.

The dailies are a bit more annoying today:

- Decon 10 BS items
- Acquire 1 new Mundus stone boon
- Complete 1 quest in Chorrol
- Complete 1 Tribute Match
- Capture 1 resource in Cyrodiil

The first 2 are simple, but the others are either more complicated or annoying (ToT).

Reaching Chorrol is tough for many, especially AD. I have enough alts that I can pick the right faction if I don't happen upon a rare time AD controls most of the map on 1 of the choices.

I have argued before that this should not be tied to Chorrol, especially since it can be hard to find on the map if you do not have that ingrained into your head and that it is so close to 1 faction. It is sloggable though.

Those quests do rotate around, I have done Vlastarus before and Bruma, and even gotten Cheydinal but I typically don’t do that one because it’s in EP territory.

EDIT: I think Cropsford comes up too and I may have done that a few times.

I understand that, but this one is quite hard for AD in many ways. The others are likely harder for at least one faction. Why not just require "complete one daily town quest" instead?

Chorrol isn't that far from Carmala, and it's common for AD to own that.

Vlastarus is entirely within AD’s home territory.

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

I understand that, but this one is quite hard for AD in many ways. The others are likely harder for at least one faction. Why not just require "complete one daily town quest" instead?

Agreed. One daily town quest at least gives you a chance to do it. Unless your alliance is nearly wiped out.

I was going to do that quest yesterday but after wasting an hour queuing for the campaign it was only to find out that another alliance had control of it. Ended up doing the resource one which took ages because all the groups on my alliance were stuck dealing with ball groups and not capturing resources. And when I tried to capture one solo I was killed by another player just before I finished it.

An altogether frustrating evening and as soon as my endeavours were done and event tickets collected I went to play something else.

Had it been any town quest I could have gone to one of my alliance held ones, done the endeavour quick, been less annoyed and probably have carried on playing ESO longer.

LunaFlora wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

the new weekly endeavours are better to me.

you can get Tel Var Stones from any kills in imperial city so the sewers work too.

7 dungeons can be as simple as Fungal Grotto 1 or Banished Cells 7 times.

and 10 event tickets could be from any of the cyrodiil and imperial city quests
so for example the Fighters Guild bounty quests in Cyrodiil which are unlikely to include PvP.

I would agree. It is just a bit of a grind this week, but easy to do for all.

The dailies are a bit more annoying today:

- Decon 10 BS items
- Acquire 1 new Mundus stone boon
- Complete 1 quest in Chorrol
- Complete 1 Tribute Match
- Capture 1 resource in Cyrodiil

The first 2 are simple, but the others are either more complicated or annoying (ToT).

Reaching Chorrol is tough for many, especially AD. I have enough alts that I can pick the right faction if I don't happen upon a rare time AD controls most of the map on 1 of the choices.

I have argued before that this should not be tied to Chorrol, especially since it can be hard to find on the map if you do not have that ingrained into your head and that it is so close to 1 faction. It is sloggable though.

Those quests do rotate around, I have done Vlastarus before and Bruma, and even gotten Cheydinal but I typically don’t do that one because it’s in EP territory.

EDIT: I think Cropsford comes up too and I may have done that a few times.

I understand that, but this one is quite hard for AD in many ways. The others are likely harder for at least one faction. Why not just require "complete one daily town quest" instead?

Chorrol isn't that far from Carmala, and it's common for AD to own that.

Vlastarus is entirely within AD’s home territory.

yea but you have to capture the town to do the quests, which is a PvP objective so it's visible on the map when you try to capture it.

Which just makes people go to you

negative. you do not have to capture the town to do quests.

LunaFlora wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

the new weekly endeavours are better to me.

you can get Tel Var Stones from any kills in imperial city so the sewers work too.

7 dungeons can be as simple as Fungal Grotto 1 or Banished Cells 7 times.

and 10 event tickets could be from any of the cyrodiil and imperial city quests
so for example the Fighters Guild bounty quests in Cyrodiil which are unlikely to include PvP.

I would agree. It is just a bit of a grind this week, but easy to do for all.

The dailies are a bit more annoying today:

- Decon 10 BS items
- Acquire 1 new Mundus stone boon
- Complete 1 quest in Chorrol
- Complete 1 Tribute Match
- Capture 1 resource in Cyrodiil

The first 2 are simple, but the others are either more complicated or annoying (ToT).

Reaching Chorrol is tough for many, especially AD. I have enough alts that I can pick the right faction if I don't happen upon a rare time AD controls most of the map on 1 of the choices.

I have argued before that this should not be tied to Chorrol, especially since it can be hard to find on the map if you do not have that ingrained into your head and that it is so close to 1 faction. It is sloggable though.

Those quests do rotate around, I have done Vlastarus before and Bruma, and even gotten Cheydinal but I typically don’t do that one because it’s in EP territory.

EDIT: I think Cropsford comes up too and I may have done that a few times.

I understand that, but this one is quite hard for AD in many ways. The others are likely harder for at least one faction. Why not just require "complete one daily town quest" instead?

Chorrol isn't that far from Carmala, and it's common for AD to own that.

Vlastarus is entirely within AD’s home territory.

yea but you have to capture the town to do the quests, which is a PvP objective so it's visible on the map when you try to capture it.

Which just makes people go to you

negative. you do not have to capture the town to do quests.

for Bruma i agree, but for Vlastarus and Cropsford yes you do.
Or at least the flags in the middle of town as that's where the quest npcs are.

again, negative. you may need to fight guards, but you dont need to capture the town or flip flags.

edit: i think you can even sneak up to the quest npc in vlastarus, talk to them for the quest, and then run from the guards without even fighting them.