New Mythic: what am I not seeing?
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What am I not seeing with the new mythic Torc of the Ayleid King? If all bonus from all other sets are being disabled, you loose up to 11 set bonuses, including things like Critical Change and Weapon & Spell Damage. How can the bonuses of this mythic compete with all that? Or is it only the last bonus of other sets that is being disabled (then this mythic could be worth it).
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Rasande_Robin✭✭✭✭It's a way for us to make overland content harder for ourselves, ha.. ha.. ha..PC/EU: Orcana "something"-stone15 -
Kavar162✭✭✭Yeah I'm not sure what the intent of this mythic is. Cause a new player wont want it, cant use it and a vet player...will prefer the sets they grinded for. Strangely enough, the old version was better. At least with that one we could have equipped some 1pc items like monster sets, trainee, druid and even Prophets....but they took that away for an extra 5% across the buffs. So odd...1 -
fred4✭✭✭✭✭
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This. If they gave it as a logon reward for creating a new character, that might make sense. It could be good for people just starting the game, who know nothing about buildcrafting, who have no skills lines / no resources / nothing farmed. Not that they would need it for overland. Basically ... what is this???Cause a new player wont want it, cant use it...2 -
Tiphis✭✭✭✭Well, it is a good starting floor if you don't have good (or even full) sets and want to get into higher level content. If you are a brand new player that just hit cp 160 and want to get into dungeons/pvp this is a great alternative to leveling crafting to get basic crafted sets (which you are probably low level in crafting lines and may just now have learned about researching) or farming overland maps for gear (which, depending on what maps you completed while leveling, might be harder than it would be otherwise). The 20% damage increase is not insubstantial, 20% healing nice for a brand new healer and 20% damage reduction nice for all roles because it makes mechanics more forgiving.
I think this set is perfect for who it is intended for.0 -
fred4✭✭✭✭✭
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Nope. What you're forgetting is that this new player will need the latest expansion, Greymoor for the Antiquity skill line, that they will need substantial time for levelling that - preferably in Artaeum to begin with, so they'll need Summerset - and that leads and dig sites will be spread over (the latest) zones and DLCs, as usual. I quite often meet "new" players. If I could talk to them before they buy the game, I would tell them to buy the cumulative chapter release, but that's not what they normally do. They either only have base game, or they are players who bought the game years ago and only have some of the early chapters and none of the DLCs. They don't want to spend right off the bat, or they can't.Well, it is a good starting floor if you don't have good (or even full) sets and want to get into higher level content. If you are a brand new player that just hit cp 160 and want to get into dungeons/pvp this is a great alternative to leveling crafting to get basic crafted sets (which you are probably low level in crafting lines and may just now have learned about researching) or farming overland maps for gear (which, depending on what maps you completed while leveling, might be harder than it would be otherwise). The 20% damage increase is not insubstantial, 20% healing nice for a brand new healer and 20% damage reduction nice for all roles because it makes mechanics more forgiving.
I think this set is perfect for who it is intended for.Edited by fred4 on January 30, 2024 3:34PM18 -
JHartEllis✭✭✭✭✭This could have some potential if the numbers were higher.
As is, it makes the entire gear system look like a small effect that isn't worth bothering with.Guild leader of Spicy Economics and Spicy Life on PC/NA
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Necrotech_Master✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭my thoughts for a pve perspective:
as a dps:- missing crit/dmg/recovery bonuses
as a healer:- missing crit/dmg/recovery bonuses
- missing ability to apply buffs to allies (SPC, powerful assault, symphony, pillager, etc)
as a tank:- missing recovery bonuses
- missing ability to ability to apply debuffs to enemies (crimson oath, tremorscale, etc)
- missing ability to apply buffs to allies (pearlescent ward, powerful assault, etc)
for a pvp perspective: it might be OK in no proc cyrodiil, but you would still be missing out on some of the other buffs (crit/dmg/recovery)plays PC/NA
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i have my main house (grand topal hideaway) listed in the housing tours, it has multiple target dummies, scribing altar, and grandmaster stations (in progress being filled out), as well as almost every antiquity furnishing on display to preview them
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Tiphis✭✭✭✭
Nope. What you're forgetting is that this new player will need the latest expansion, Greymoor for the Antiquity skill line, that they will need substantial time for levelling that - preferably in Artaeum to begin with, so they'll need Summerset - and that leads and dig sites will be spread over (the latest) zones and DLCs, as usual. I quite often meet "new" players. If I could talk to them before they buy the game, I would tell them to buy the cumulative chapter release, but that's not what they normally do. They either only have base game, or they are players who bought the game years ago and only have some of the early chapters and none of the DLCs. They don't want to spend right off the bat, or they can't.Well, it is a good starting floor if you don't have good (or even full) sets and want to get into higher level content. If you are a brand new player that just hit cp 160 and want to get into dungeons/pvp this is a great alternative to leveling crafting to get basic crafted sets (which you are probably low level in crafting lines and may just now have learned about researching) or farming overland maps for gear (which, depending on what maps you completed while leveling, might be harder than it would be otherwise). The 20% damage increase is not insubstantial, 20% healing nice for a brand new healer and 20% damage reduction nice for all roles because it makes mechanics more forgiving.
I think this set is perfect for who it is intended for.
Fair but it still is largely better than most sets for in terms of ease of play. The 20% damage reduction is better than any 1 set for damage reduction. The 20% increased damage is okay. The 20% increased healing is okay.
If you stack weapon damage/spell damage sets then you'd have better than the healing and damage but with no damage reduction. If you stack damage proc sets then you'd do more damage but much less healing and damage reduction.
Yes this set is subpar in any niche role but overall I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be.0 -
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✭PrincessOfThieves wrote: »With these mythics, no wonder that Ayleids lost in the end.
This was high tier humor6 -
Luke_Flamesword✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This set is pointless. It can't be too good, because it would be just stupid to make good "all-in-one" item which don't take any effort and materials to make such a build. But if this not very good than what's the point? New players won't be leveling antuiquities skill line and then grind leads for this when they have much easier crafted or overlands sets.
This is really weird decision to even try make set like this.PC | EU | DC |Stam Dk Breton11 -
RaptorRodeoGod✭✭✭✭✭Rasande_Robin wrote: »It's a way for us to make overland content harder for ourselves, ha.. ha.. ha..
It doesn't even do that. If that were the case, it should give you a debuff as well, not a buffAdd a Scribing skill that works like Arcanist beam.
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Veteran players have been alienated and disengaged from Overland since One Tamriel, due to the lack of difficulty, and pushed into dungeons and trials; the minority of content in the Elder Scrolls Online. We can't take the repetition anymore, fix Overland engagement for Vet players. I don't even care if it's not combat related anymore, just make Overland engaging again.
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Overland difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 10 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including One Tamriel, an overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver & Gold as a "you think you do but you don't" - tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game. I'm bored of dungeons, I'm bored of trials; make a personal difficulty slider for overland. Make a self debuff mythic. Literally anything at this point.0 -
CameraBeardThePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Any chance this is a decent PvP mythic? (20% dmg reduction for starters).
Not really. The damage reduction is nice, but kind of pointless if you can't stack as much health, resists, or healing power without gear sets. If your goal is damage reduction, just toss on Esoteric or any of the other numerous sets that make you tanky.
Your stats will be incredibly low without gear sets. The % damage and % healing modifiers aren't really doing anything for you if you don't have any stats to begin with.
The mythic is neat in theory, but should probably have a slightly lower % and allow 1-4 pieces to remain enabled.Edited by CameraBeardThePirate on January 30, 2024 7:31PM7 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Maybe this addition could fix it:
1. Increases damage dealt by 20%, reduce damage taken by 20%, healing increased by 20%, removes all item bonuses from armor but increases the effectives of all enchantments placed upon them by XX%.11 -
RaptorRodeoGod✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Maybe this addition could fix it:
1. Increases damage dealt by 20%, reduce damage taken by 20%, healing increased by 20%, removes all item bonuses from armor but increases the effectives of all enchantments placed upon them by XX%.
Something along those lines would be good. Make it add to armor weight/enchants/traits or something.Add a Scribing skill that works like Arcanist beam.
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Veteran players have been alienated and disengaged from Overland since One Tamriel, due to the lack of difficulty, and pushed into dungeons and trials; the minority of content in the Elder Scrolls Online. We can't take the repetition anymore, fix Overland engagement for Vet players. I don't even care if it's not combat related anymore, just make Overland engaging again.
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Overland difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 10 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including One Tamriel, an overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver & Gold as a "you think you do but you don't" - tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game. I'm bored of dungeons, I'm bored of trials; make a personal difficulty slider for overland. Make a self debuff mythic. Literally anything at this point.0 -
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Nope. What you're forgetting is that this new player will need the latest expansion, Greymoor for the Antiquity skill line, that they will need substantial time for levelling that - preferably in Artaeum to begin with, so they'll need Summerset - and that leads and dig sites will be spread over (the latest) zones and DLCs, as usual. I quite often meet "new" players. If I could talk to them before they buy the game, I would tell them to buy the cumulative chapter release, but that's not what they normally do. They either only have base game, or they are players who bought the game years ago and only have some of the early chapters and none of the DLCs. They don't want to spend right off the bat, or they can't.Well, it is a good starting floor if you don't have good (or even full) sets and want to get into higher level content. If you are a brand new player that just hit cp 160 and want to get into dungeons/pvp this is a great alternative to leveling crafting to get basic crafted sets (which you are probably low level in crafting lines and may just now have learned about researching) or farming overland maps for gear (which, depending on what maps you completed while leveling, might be harder than it would be otherwise). The 20% damage increase is not insubstantial, 20% healing nice for a brand new healer and 20% damage reduction nice for all roles because it makes mechanics more forgiving.
I think this set is perfect for who it is intended for.
Fair but it still is largely better than most sets for in terms of ease of play. The 20% damage reduction is better than any 1 set for damage reduction. The 20% increased damage is okay. The 20% increased healing is okay.
If you stack weapon damage/spell damage sets then you'd have better than the healing and damage but with no damage reduction. If you stack damage proc sets then you'd do more damage but much less healing and damage reduction.
Yes this set is subpar in any niche role but overall I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be.
It would be a good item if it was given away as a quest reward (for example, after completing Coldharbour questline). At that point I could see how it could be useful for new players.
But alas, it is a mythic, and there is quite a lot of stuff a new player would have to do in order to obtain it. I honestly don't think a brand new player can find and collect all leads without any outside information. Googling where to find leads, farming them, leveling Antiquities skill line... By the time they're done with that, they will have access to much better gear, especially since they were googling stuff and probably found a bunch of guides/builds.
And keep in mind, you cannot compare it to one 5 piece bonus. It's all bonuses, including stat boosts, crit, armor, everything but traits/enchants.5 -
Dragonredux✭✭✭✭✭PrincessOfThieves wrote: »
It would be a good item if it was given away as a quest reward (for example, after completing Coldharbour questline). At that point I could see how it could be useful for new players.
You know it is a decent idea. You can call it reclaimed soul or something like the broken soul rings. Good quest reward for new players until get out of the rough spots and/or learn the game.3 -
AlterBlika✭✭✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »The mythic is neat in theory, but should probably have a slightly lower % and allow 1-4 pieces to remain enabled.
You basically trade 2 5p effects for XXX dmg and some 2 set (monster maybe) you could use. Sounds a bit too good considering its defensive bonuses
edit: nvm, didn't see "lower %". Although I still think it'd be strongEdited by AlterBlika on January 30, 2024 9:06PM0 -
tsaescishoeshiner✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Given that set bonuses allow a lot of build choice and variety, I think this Mythic should boost the bonuses from traits, or Mundus Stones or something customizable, so that it can still offer some choice.
Overall, I just don't Get It quite yet lol. Not sure if any of the real use cases make it convenient for anyone or add a new element to combat. Because new players would still have to farm it--albeit only once, to be fair.
One unique element of it is that the damage and healing boost offer a big bonus to flat-value skills that don't scale with max stats, like Living Dark, Siphoning Strikes, Glacial Presence. But you'd need to be on a build that doesn't need weapon/spell damage, crit chance, or recovery.
Edit: Healing done and damage reduction aren't usually part of the item sets that tanks and healers seek out. Instead, they look for group support. If this Mythic had that, maybe it would be more viable for them.Edited by tsaescishoeshiner on January 30, 2024 11:07PMPC-NA
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Necrotech_Master✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i think the only useable use case of this mythic is probably for no proc cyro lol
it would be great for someone who is just starting to get into it, without needing to theory craft anything outside of armor weight + trait + enchantment for all gear aside from the mythic
some of these mythics they should make easier to get such as this one as it has extremely niche use casesplays PC/NA
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i have my main house (grand topal hideaway) listed in the housing tours, it has multiple target dummies, scribing altar, and grandmaster stations (in progress being filled out), as well as almost every antiquity furnishing on display to preview them
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Estin✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm not sure where it would be useful. Oakensoul seems like it would be better if you wanted to be tankier and do more damage. It can't be an overland difficulty mythic either because you can just wear plain ruby ash and still sleep through quests, unless they expect you to wear iron gear while wearing this. New players won't go towards this when Oakensoul exists, and Oakensoul is already hard enough to get for a new player.2 -
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✭I could be off on this as I don't min-max that much:
My impression is that things that directly reduce damage all of the time are kind of rare. Thus, getting something that reduces damage by 20% is actually kind of special.
The +20% Healing and +20% Damage likely run behind what you can get elsewhere if you were trying to max them healing or damage but they do provide a nice boost (the tanky ww I was goofing off on could heal themselves for 30k hp) and the 20% can boost things that are not necessarily boosted by your Magicka/Stamina/Spell Power/Weapon Power stats.
Ex: Green Lotus and Critical Surge heals are boosted by running the mythic.
Additionally, as non-set items don't bind this could enable guilds to help their newer players get the mythic and then give them a set of armor that they can use till they find something better and then they pass it on to the next person.
It might also combine well with Undeath and or Deliberation.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Completely pointless mythic, for new and veteran players alike. It really feels like they didn't even try with this addition, and it's a shame to see another mythic enter the game in an unusable state.@ReactSlower - PC/NA - 2000+ CP
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James-Wayne✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wasn't this the Mythic that got datamined last year and people asked why it wasnt include in Update 39.... well now you all know why they didnt want to include but you made them do it!
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RoseTheSnowElf✭✭✭I'm having a hard time imaging how this would be used in real play time. Since it disables all item set bonuses, including "other 1-piece bonuses", what are you supposed to pair this with?
Nothing?
If that's the case, then yeah this is NOT meant for new players or new toons being power leveled for specific content. Definitely NOT for organized grp PvE. Definitely NOT PvP.
The pts description does say a new mythic for "Adventurers". Maybe the dev's are being literal and this mythic is specifically designed for the player who just wants to role play as an adventurer, and wants nothing to do with content that relies heavily on item set bonuses.
Nothing wrong with that. Just trying to imagine what play style this mythic would fit into.PS5 NA EP GH
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