Soarora wrote: »

I’m suspicious of lore taken from sources like Augur because the lore community as a whole has shown repeatedly a lack of nuance when it comes to secondhand information, taking things as truth that may not be (like the events of Legends, which we know are part true, part exaggerated, some may even just be false. Also Racial Phylogeny, which is written by Imperial students with all the racism and propaganda of an Imperial book).

"But it's written in a book!"/"But random-famous-person has said it!" - annoying when it comes to lore of a fictional world, dangerous in real life. But very common, yes.

Syldras wrote: »

"Adjacent Place" is also mentioned only once:



No Lyg, no dreugh.

A lot of uncharted Lore as to what is actually over there. Lyg is mentioned by Mankar Camoran without actually saying exactly where it is.

Syldras wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

That’s why I said “if you believe the tales” because some believe MK’s word is gold while others see it as just unofficial.

I love the lore he invented for Morrowind, but he's not involved as a writer for the TES games anymore since 2006 or so - I know Oblivion was the last game. That's 18 years ago. So while he can make any statements he wishes online, and continue his own story about the TES world, it might be entertaining to read, but I don't see anything he writes as reliable lore, as long as Bethesda/ZOS wouldn't directly confirm it.

So you’re in the unofficial category, that’s cool. I’m undecided because to me he isn’t involved anymore but it’s just lore for a game so Bethesda could some time down the road make some stuff official, which is fine too as long as it’s nothing completely ridiculous. I guess I am both undecided and open.

Soarora wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

"Adjacent Place" is also mentioned only once:



No Lyg, no dreugh.

A lot of uncharted Lore as to what is actually over there. Lyg is mentioned by Mankar Camoran without actually saying exactly where it is.

Mankar Camoran confuses me to be honest, because he lists Daedric Realms but attributes them all to the wrong Princes?…??? Maybe I’m missing something here but to me it seems he thinks he knows a lot but he actually knows very little.

Yeah agreed. Mankar is weird. Maybe he was driven mad.

Syldras wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

That’s why I said “if you believe the tales” because some believe MK’s word is gold while others see it as just unofficial.

I love the lore he invented for Morrowind, but he's not involved as a writer for the TES games anymore since 2006 or so - I know Oblivion was the last game. That's 18 years ago. So while he can make any statements he wishes online, and continue his own story about the TES world, it might be entertaining to read, but I don't see anything he writes as reliable lore, as long as Bethesda/ZOS wouldn't directly confirm it.

About his contribution to Skyrim:

"He had a hand in hammering out the original plot and world design, and did some ghost writing on the announcement trailer. Some of his contributions that ended up getting cut from Skyrim are now making a reappearance in ESO. Not to mention all the references to the Aldudaggas, which should be apparent."
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/2504w2/has_bethesda_reacted_to_non_cannon_material/chebd7p/

Syldras wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

So you’re in the unofficial category, that’s cool. I’m undecided because to me he isn’t involved anymore but it’s just lore for a game so Bethesda could some time down the road make some stuff official, which is fine too as long as it’s nothing completely ridiculous. I guess I am both undecided and open.

To me, it's simple: If someone is not the sole author, and also not officially speaking for the publisher of a story written by a whole team of people (may it be a tv series, game or whatever), then it's their personal opinion, but not official content.

Even if there was a book series with only one author, and the rights of the series are later transfered to someone else and the sequels are written by that new author, the old author can privately invent as many as new places or characters as they wish, but with no personal involvement in and rights over the series anymore, it's basically just fanfiction.

Unless it's made official by the current author/team/publisher. But not before that.

colossalvoids wrote: »

About his contribution to Skyrim:
"He had a hand in hammering out the original plot and world design, and did some ghost writing on the announcement trailer. Some of his contributions that ended up getting cut from Skyrim are now making a reappearance in ESO. Not to mention all the references to the Aldudaggas, which should be apparent."
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/2504w2/has_bethesda_reacted_to_non_cannon_material/chebd7p/

So he had contributed to Skyrim, too. That doesn't change, though, that only things that are officially included are "facts" in TES lore. More of his ideas might be included later, then they'll turn official, but before that, it's not more than personal ideas.

You realize we agree on this right? I was just sharing to give people an option whether they want to believe it or not. Bethesda decides what is official, I am just undecided because I see some things in lore, not all, as open. Open might not be the right word but I guess bendable or flexible would be another way to say it.

As an example, at one point in lore (but was deleted cuz not canon) it was said that the Snow Elves of the Chantry used Sun Magic (which I guess would be similar to ESO's Templar). I see that as something that could very well be true since Gelebor used Sun Magic to manipulate and change arrows.

Syldras wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

You realize we agree on this right?

It was just a general statement.

I'm always surprised how some people see everything Kirkbride says as the "absolute truth", btw. And wondering if there was anything that made them question what he writes. Would they still believe it, if it was wacky enough? "In the 5th era the Altmer are riding flying sausages and Hello Kitty became the new Jarl of Windhelm" - still "the truth" if Kirkbride wrote it on his blog?

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I was just sharing to give people an option whether they want to believe it or not. Bethesda decides what is official, I am just undecided because I see some things in lore, not all, as open. Open might not be the right word but I guess bendable or flexible would be another way to say it.

There are things that look conflicting. Sometimes real lore mistakes. Sometimes a matter of an unreliable narrator. That's what Soarora posted earlier: Just because something is written in a lorebook, doesn't mean it's "the truth". The author can be mistaken, it can be an outdated theory, it can be a lie for personal gain, or war propaganda. Just as in reality.

Yeah I agree about the conflicting info. That’s why I wasn’t too angry about how Alinor looked. There were at least 2 different descriptions and one dude could have just drank too much skooma that day and saw it weird or whatever. Bethesda could have just changed their mind and didn’t want to be tied to that description if they ever made Summerset Isles so making one or two more opens things up a bit.

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Last I checked, Daedric Princes can appear as they please

She could appear as a humanoid figure without a face, blurry features or a flickering, foggy outline.
As a floating spindle surrounded by light.
As a prism.
As several people in one:





As a flaming symbol that looks like crossroads.
As a person whose appearance, age and race change every time we see her.
...

I'm sure there's a subtext there, considering how expensive it is. Probably a "target buyer", y'know?

Well the trailers do a decent job of depicting what we might see in appearances of a daedric prince.

What we see is kind of more unique then just the angel like wing crystal wings. Her legs also start to become more like an atronach, I think they are adding a new type of crystaline antronach.
What you see in the trailer is she is getting like angelic like wings and.her human legs becoming like her daedra as you can see in the gameplay picture. As you can see like you can see the daedric properties like start to come back to her as she is basically going from a serious weakened state to regaining some of her power her body is changing to like regain her true form in the trailer. But was interrupted in the trailer.

Hence why she is directly walking and having an impact on the West Weild. My guess is like she was interrupted before she could take on her true like more exotic daedric form. The way it looks like she was as weak as a mortal, maybe was close to being one maybe immortal but powerless. But then she regains some of her power allowing her escape. Which allowed her to then start to take up her true form. the statue is like one of my guess like forms she would take but her daedric form is more exotic then people think. The trailer shows that.

Her model was inspired by Shakira's wherever, whenever song ☺️