Ithelia Figure in Bethesda Store

laniakea_0 · January 2024

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

can we be sure this is her true form? they did say several times that she was walking through the West Weald, basically blending in with the locals. so could it be possible that she picked this shape for her escape?
then there's also the fact that one of the glyphics containing Mora's secret has not been opened yet. I think it's conceivable that she isn't able to assume her true shape yet...

Princes doesn't have a "true form". They lack a physical form or at least one that's possible to be perceived by mortals. They choose to manifest in certain forms.

The form which most resembles her true from, then. my point is that we don't really know yet why she looks that way or if this is even her preferred shape to take on or just a disguise.

colossalvoids · January 2024

laniakea_0 wrote: »

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

What if Tho'at IS ithelia!

she is not. from what little we've seen, Tho'at comes from the daedric plane of Mirrormoor, which the next dungeons will revolve around and which Ithelia appears to be at least associated with. It is also possible that Mirrormoor is her realm, but I think Fargrave may also be a likely candidate.

Seems wiki's already attribute this realm to her, didn't payed much attention to promo or Necrom depicting the portal already but that's on me.

Syldras · January 2024

Elsonso wrote: »

Still totals up correctly. Not seeing the problem, here.

Exactly! Also, it's only realistic that a Daedric Prince wouldn't pay attention to the number of fingers humans have. I mean, do you know how many legs centipedes have (no, it's not 100)? I don't. So if I magically transformed myself into a centipede, I'm sure I'd get it wrong (fortunately, centipedes aren't very intelligent, so they probably wouldn't notice).

Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyly

Kallykat wrote: »

(By the way, I'm enjoying the AI art. My husband has been into making portraits of our group's D&D characters with AI lately, and they look awesome. I need to try it out.)

aspergalas4 wrote: »

Amazing how AI continues to exhibit more creativity than people that are paid for their supposed creative talents.

Well, it's not the machine by itself, it's also a question of "practice" when it comes to using the right prompts/descriptions - knowing what phrases will end in which result definitively makes a big difference, and if one does it regularly, the results do improve a lot. I think it might sometimes be a great tool to visualize concepts before starting a real, by-hand drawing or painting, or to gain inspiration. Also, it's wonderful of cause, that it's a way for people who can't draw very well to still be able to create an individual, unique picture if they want or need one.

But when it comes to the other aspect you mention, yes, I totally agree. It's a bit sad when people, real people, who do character design for their living come up with a very bland result that lacks creativity. Although, to be fair, we don't know what kind of concepts they suggested - maybe the problem aren't the artists but the ones who decided for the one they'll choose in the end.

baltic1284 · January 2024

Casul wrote: »

Definitely getting Jyggalag vibes. But I have to admit I am intrigued by a forgotten daedric prince.

There are a lot of forgotten Deadric Princes as the game went along some where forgotten and some, where pushed more upward and became more famous amongst the player base. For me it is nice they are actually trying to bring some of them back and trying to reach into the lore instead of just adding whatever they want to the lore in hopes all accept it.

Syldras · January 2024

baltic1284 wrote: »

There are a lot of forgotten Deadric Princes as the game went along some where forgotten and some, where pushed more upward and became more famous amongst the player base. For me it is nice they are actually trying to bring some of them back

Which ones?

Elsonso · January 2024

Syldras wrote: »

baltic1284 wrote: »

There are a lot of forgotten Deadric Princes as the game went along some where forgotten and some, where pushed more upward and became more famous amongst the player base. For me it is nice they are actually trying to bring some of them back

Which ones?

Obviously, they cannot answer because they forgot.

Syldras · January 2024

Elsonso wrote: »

Obviously, they cannot answer because they forgot.

...that makes sense. But honestly, writing "as the game went along" and "more famous amongst the player base" sounds like they think there were actually more Daedric Princes in earlier TES games that were abandoned in later games. Which I know nothing of. So a reply would be interesting.

laniakea_0 wrote: »

The form which most resembles her true from, then.

They don't have one. Not at all. Think of them like energy, that can materialize in any form it wants. Some prefer to manifest in one certain form more regularly, but it's still not what they really are.

Synaryn wrote: »

That's a godsdamned Sailor Moon wand.

Actually, I've been staring at whatever Ithelia is holding there, for some time now, wondering where I know it from. I think I have seen something very similar in shape (and probably not as sparkly) on some real-world ancient statue or maybe vase painting. Unfortunately, I can't remember anymore when and where. It's no whip for sure, if one looks closer at the handle and where the strings come out. Or at least it would be a very stupid, impractical design for a whip.

OtarTheMad · January 2024

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It's not a whip, it's a thread of fate or the thread of fate.

TaSheen · January 2024

The handle in her left hand reminds me of an Egyptian sistrum.

Syldras · January 2024

OtarTheMad wrote: »

It's not a whip, it's a thread of fate or the thread of fate.

That was one of my ideas, but it doesn't look like a spindle at all. It has a quite distinct shape that I think I've already seen somewhere, I just can't remember where.

MidniteOwl1913 · January 2024

I admit to being surprised at the poor quality of this figure. TBH it just looks so tacky I wouldn't buy it at any price...

CameraBeardThePirate · January 2024

aspergalas4 wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Rolled the dice a few times.

Yeah, still a young woman, I know.

Amazing how AI continues to exhibit more creativity than people that are paid for their supposed creative talents. First image actually looks very similar to what I would imagine a new female Daedric Prince would look like without context.

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

aspergalas4 wrote: »

The appearance of Ithelia simply doesn't look Daedric enough, the glass shard aesthetic is unique but her appearance beyond that is rather mundane for an entity that is as otherworldly as Daedra are.

Sheo appears as literally just a guy in a Two-Face suit. Azura appears as literally just a dark elf holding a moon and star. Nocturnal is just a chick with a skimpy robe and a couple raven pets. I mean jeez, Meridia's IN GAME model is just a transparent female Breton NPC. Malacath is just an orc in a loincloth.

In fact, the only Princes with particularly "Otherworldly" appearances are Mora, Peryite, Mephala, Bal, and Dagon. Maybe Hircine too, but he's basically just a normal dude with a stag skull.

Azura in Morrowind^

Like, how is this "otherworldly" if Ithelia is "mundane"?

Really feels like one of those scenarios of "this is something new so I hate it".

Going by your feelings is probably why you are so off the mark then. People really are missing the point being made here and it actually makes me laugh. Don't retort to something if you don't understand what is being said. There is no point in adding a new prince unless they are unreservedly unique in their goals and appearance. Adding a prince for the sake of it creates more problems than the intrigue it creates, in this case there is no intrigue because there is nothing interesting about this new supposedly threatening prince. It's a women with tattoos with some glass wings.

You're judging how interesting she is based on.... looks?

All we know so far is that she's the prince of change, unmade choices, and alternate timelines.

That is interesting, especially since TES has always had a foot planted firmly in loose timelines and metaphysical stuff. Which is also why there really aren't any problems bringing her in. Things in TES lore change all the time, and they're bringing in a Prince of Change.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · January 2024

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

and they're bringing in a Prince of Change.

But Mehrunes Dagon is already here. Mr. Destruction, ambition and change.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · January 2024

laniakea_0 wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

can we be sure this is her true form? they did say several times that she was walking through the West Weald, basically blending in with the locals. so could it be possible that she picked this shape for her escape?
then there's also the fact that one of the glyphics containing Mora's secret has not been opened yet. I think it's conceivable that she isn't able to assume her true shape yet...

Princes doesn't have a "true form". They lack a physical form or at least one that's possible to be perceived by mortals. They choose to manifest in certain forms.

The form which most resembles her true from, then. my point is that we don't really know yet why she looks that way or if this is even her preferred shape to take on or just a disguise.

As previously said, there's no such thing. They have no true form, they are not from Mundus, they are beings before its making and have no physical form that can be counted as a true form. If it was a disguise she'd just look like one of the mortal races. This is a manifestation she has chosen to look like. Unless Mora decided to somehow trap her in that form, which doesn't make sense.

Syldras wrote: »

Synaryn wrote: »

That's a godsdamned Sailor Moon wand.

Actually, I've been staring at whatever Ithelia is holding there, for some time now, wondering where I know it from. I think I have seen something very similar in shape (and probably not as sparkly) on some real-world ancient statue or maybe vase painting. Unfortunately, I can't remember anymore when and where. It's no whip for sure, if one looks closer at the handle and where the strings come out. Or at least it would be a very stupid, impractical design for a whip.

It reminds me of spindles and other tools used for making and wrapping up yarn, along with fabric weaving.

TaSheen · January 2024

Hmm. Tuniing fork?

Syldras · January 2024

Does anyone have an idea about the name Ithelia, btw? It has a distinct Greek look to it, but I'm not sure if there's a real word related to it. I know that thelima (θέλημα) means "will", but also "assignment" or "errand". Then we have the muse Thaleia, which comes from thallein (θάλλειν), which means "to bloom". Interestingly, at least according to a dictionary, thileia (θηλειά) seems to mean "noose" or also "loop" (for example of a rope or piece of yarn). I hope maybe someone can confirm (I mean, there are users from all over the world here, no?). The last time I used classic Greek was during my studies. Which is some time ago.

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

But Mehrunes Dagon is already here. Mr. Destruction, ambition and change.

Maybe ZOS has forgotten about him - I mean, Deadlands was over 2 years ago, after all

There's one thing I'm wondering about, though. Might they use Ithelia to establish something like a parallel universe (to use a simple term) and tell us that everything that happens in ESO takes place in a different dimension than the singleplayer TES games? That would be an extremely easy way out of all lore incongruencies (and unfortunately a new open door to possibly make up new extremely unfitting things).

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

It reminds me of spindles and other tools used for making and wrapping up yarn, along with fabric weaving.

The shape of the upper part looks quite ornate for a spindle. But okay, I think of real world ancient Greece, who knows how the spindle of a Daedric Prince would look like. Considering she is related to fate, a link to the Moirai would make sense (another thing which would have been plausible to take inspriration from would be Hekate, the Goddess of crossroads - among other things - , btw; I think, personally, I'd even liked that a bit more).

TaSheen · January 2024

@Syldras - https://www.nameslook.com/ithelia

That's the first option google provides. *shrug* It's not very cogent really. I've never heard the name before, and I'm a bit bummed that I can't use it now that I HAVE heard it....

Soarora · January 2024

Syldras wrote: »

There's one thing I'm wondering about, though. Might they use Ithelia to establish something like a parallel universe (to use a simple term) and tell us that everything that happens in ESO takes place in a different dimension than the singleplayer TES games? That would be an extremely easy way out of all lore incongruencies (and unfortunately a new open door to possibly make up new extremely unfitting things).

I mean, parallel universes do exist in the way of Kalpas but I don't think multiverse/parallel universes as we see in pop culture are possible in TES given that this is all just the dream of the Godhead. Maybe TES is some weirdly reoccurring dream many people have, like teeth falling out or being late to school, but otherwise it's not possible. People don't dream multiple dreams at once.

Syldras · January 2024

TaSheen wrote: »

@Syldras - https://www.nameslook.com/ithelia
That's the first option google provides. *shrug* It's not very cogent really. I've never heard the name before, and I'm a bit bummed that I can't use it now that I HAVE heard it....

Checked the website. Created on January 20, 2024. It seems to randomly scan the internet and collect everything that vaguely looks like a name to automatically generate a site for it. It also knows Hircine:

"Molag":

And, my favorite name of all (if I ever have a dog I'll name him this), Fbhedbfjbjd:

Yes.

Soarora wrote: »

I mean, parallel universes do exist in the way of Kalpas but I don't think multiverse/parallel universes as we see in pop culture are possible in TES given that this is all just the dream of the Godhead. Maybe TES is some weirdly reoccurring dream many people have, like teeth falling out or being late to school, but otherwise it's not possible. People don't dream multiple dreams at once.

Who knows. At least I once dreamed being two different people at once, being at two different places, having two different completely seperate conversations at the same time, and literally having the different character and feelings of two people at once, people that were in no way connected and certainly didn't know of the other ones's existance. That may sound complicated, but it felt completely natural. Of course I can't say for sure if this was one dream or two dreams, or one dream in which I was dreaming two dreams, but it felt like two overlapping. Seperate, but there at the same time. Then again, my sleep and dream behavior has always been completely weird (including having sometimes up to 15 dreams per night, more lucid ones than non-lucid ones, and a few years of daily sleep paralysis when I was younger - it was scary at first, then mostly annoying, and at some point I saw it as extra relaxation time, then it wasn't that bad).

But back to topic, I'm not sure how deep ZOS would dive into lore, considering they sometimes seem to forget how their own characters from just a few years ago were written. I think if they wanted to make Ithelia a device to get complete freedom by declaring ESO to take place in a parallel dimension, they would do it.

Elsonso · January 2024

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

and they're bringing in a Prince of Change.

But Mehrunes Dagon is already here. Mr. Destruction, ambition and change.

Ithelia is the Daedric Prince of Retcons. That is a level of "change" that Mehrunes Dagon can only dream of.

Syldras wrote: »

Checked the website. Created on January 20, 2024. It seems to randomly scan the internet and collect everything that vaguely looks like a name to automatically generate a site for it.

What makes you think it is not just making the website because you asked and populating it with random "feel good" content?

Not only did ZOS invent a new Daedric Prince, but they also invented a new name. Clearly, it means "Forgotten", at this point.

Syldras · January 2024

Elsonso wrote: »

What makes you think it is not just making the website because you asked and populating it with random "feel good" content?

Actually I later found out that that website also has a simple form where everyone can just add a name to the database. Which is perfect for people in my country where you need a written "proof" of some kind (newspaper article, quote from a novel, excerpt of a name dictionary,...) for a name to exist if you want to name your kid like that. Well, of course not when the name you choose is Peter or Karen, but only if it's a more unusual one. Let's say you want to name your kid Pugface, then just add Pugface to the database (a bit of fake background info probably also helps: "Pugface, traditional name from a rare South-Walisian dialect, meaning 'to live healthy and prosper'), take a print of that page to the register office, and voilá - little Pugface has an official name. Wonderful, isn't it?

I'm wondering though it in this case, whether the name Ithelia was added automatically, or manually by some visitor. Then I wonder, who opens a baby name website after an ESO reveal stream to add a new "daedric" name there... and why that hasn't happened to Nokvroz and Rynkyus before

CameraBeardThePirate · January 2024

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

and they're bringing in a Prince of Change.

But Mehrunes Dagon is already here. Mr. Destruction, ambition and change.

Dagon's change is change of power + revolution. Changing the status quo, so to speak.

Ithelia seems to be more about the timeline-shattering type of change that occurs with things like a dragonbreak or the Warp in the West - a much grander type of change which kinda goes hand in hand with why she was locked away in the first place.

CameraBeardThePirate · January 2024

Soarora wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

There's one thing I'm wondering about, though. Might they use Ithelia to establish something like a parallel universe (to use a simple term) and tell us that everything that happens in ESO takes place in a different dimension than the singleplayer TES games? That would be an extremely easy way out of all lore incongruencies (and unfortunately a new open door to possibly make up new extremely unfitting things).

I mean, parallel universes do exist in the way of Kalpas but I don't think multiverse/parallel universes as we see in pop culture are possible in TES given that this is all just the dream of the Godhead. Maybe TES is some weirdly reoccurring dream many people have, like teeth falling out or being late to school, but otherwise it's not possible. People don't dream multiple dreams at once.

Parallel universes can absolutely be possible in TES. Dragonbreaks are basically halfway there already - a period of time in which linear time gives way and multiple conflicting events can happen simultaneously.

OtarTheMad · January 2024

Something already exists in lore about parallel universes, if you believe the tales.

Lyg is said to be one of the Adjacent Places and a parallel version of Tamriel.

At least that’s how UESP puts it.

Syldras · January 2024

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Lyg is said to be one of the Adjacent Places and a parallel version of Tamriel.

Said Michael Kirkbride in a forum, which is not considered official lore.

What's officially in the game (in lore books) says it's not even on a different plane of the universe, but it's just another continent on Nirn.

CameraBeardThePirate · January 2024

Syldras wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Lyg is said to be one of the Adjacent Places and a parallel version of Tamriel.

Said Michael Kirkbride in a forum, which is not considered official lore.

What's officially in the game (in lore books) says it's not even on a different plane of the universe, but it's just another continent on Nirn.

Well no, not just Michael Kirkbride - The Augur of the Obscure talks about being from the/an Adjacent Place and references the Rule of the Dreughs, indicating that he's referring to Lyg.

Syldras · January 2024

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Well no, not just Michael Kirkbride - The Augur of the Obscure talks about being from the/an Adjacent Place and references the Rule of the Dreughs, indicating that he's referring to Lyg.

I have to check that. The person I quoted refered to this quote in UESP, I thought (especially as the wording was a direct quote from this):

Where the source is given as:

Syldras · January 2024

Unless there's dialogue missing in this extensive list, the Augur doesn't mention Lyg anywhere (except for one joke: "What do you call a lygosmotic dream-wave on its birthday? A ventswattle!" - but that actually says nothing about Lyg):

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Augur_of_the_Obscure

"Dreugh" is only mentioned once, too: "Dreugh? Ugh. I'm telling you, mate, they used to be a lot more pleasant. Now these land dreugh are all crab-faced and stabby. Shame."

Soarora · January 2024

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

There's one thing I'm wondering about, though. Might they use Ithelia to establish something like a parallel universe (to use a simple term) and tell us that everything that happens in ESO takes place in a different dimension than the singleplayer TES games? That would be an extremely easy way out of all lore incongruencies (and unfortunately a new open door to possibly make up new extremely unfitting things).

I mean, parallel universes do exist in the way of Kalpas but I don't think multiverse/parallel universes as we see in pop culture are possible in TES given that this is all just the dream of the Godhead. Maybe TES is some weirdly reoccurring dream many people have, like teeth falling out or being late to school, but otherwise it's not possible. People don't dream multiple dreams at once.

Parallel universes can absolutely be possible in TES. Dragonbreaks are basically halfway there already - a period of time in which linear time gives way and multiple conflicting events can happen simultaneously.

But Dragonbreaks are resolved. Akatosh does not like non-continuous time.

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Something already exists in lore about parallel universes, if you believe the tales.

Lyg is said to be one of the Adjacent Places and a parallel version of Tamriel.

At least that’s how UESP puts it.

While that is true, I’m not sure that Lyg is in a different universe really. It is also not completely separate from Nirn (given that Mehrunes Dagon is allegedly from there and the Magne-Ge are a big part of Lyg). Going back to retconning ESO by throwing it in a parallel universe, that wouldn’t work on getting rid of Ithelia in this case because it seems Et’Ada (and mortals, even) are able to move between Adjacent Places.

Syldras · January 2024

"Adjacent Place" is also mentioned only once:

No Lyg, no dreugh.