I think she looks fantastic and giving her such an angelic and pure look makes us players sympathize with her and question Mora's choices. While most Daedric Princes look rather hideous, she's beautiful, which could be a good disguise if she's cunning and manipulative (what we don't know yet).

Making her the exact opposite of other Daedric Princes visually is a great choice and exactly something to subvert expectations. Well done.

Seraphayel wrote: »

While most Daedric Princes look rather hideous, she's beautiful, which could be a good disguise if she's cunning and manipulative (what we don't know yet).
Making her the exact opposite of other Daedric Princes visually is a great choice and exactly something to subvert expectations. Well done.

Many female Daedric Princes look beautiful (yes, also to the usual human beauty standards). Think of Azura and Nocturnal. Meridia normally looks a bit older, but she's also far from looking like a non-human monster. Mephala could be argued, of course the whole spider thing might be a bit weird for some, but from her face and upper body, she's not exactly monstrous either. With Vaemina, depictions vary; in some she has a non-humanoid head, but there are also others where she has a normal young-human-woman face. The only one who's off is Namira (although, if I remember right, the statue for her in TES Oblivion looked like a normal old woman). Put short: I don't see a big difference between them and Ithelia (which is, but that's only my personal opinion, a wasted chance).

Seraphayel wrote: »

I think she looks fantastic and giving her such an angelic and pure look

You mean Meridia?

makes us players sympathize with her and question Mora's choices. While most Daedric Princes look rather hideous, she's beautiful, which could be a good disguise if she's cunning and manipulative (what we don't know yet).

Just like Meridia!

Making her the exact opposite of other Daedric Princes visually is a great choice and exactly something to subvert expectations. Well done.

She's Meridia but a little to the left. It is not 'subverting expectations' to make another hot lady in a dress for a goddess, those are a penny a hundred. You could drop her in a MOBA game as a mage character and she wouldn't even look out of place.

ZOS had the chance to do something that TRULY subverted expectations and break the mold, make her look freaky and *** up like half the other Princes do and like nearly no female deity character EVER looks like. Instead they chose an incredibly bland design and wasted every ounce of potential they had going for her. Little to no aesthetic diversity for goddess characters across fantasy media. Literally even if she had the exact same body but the mirror texture from the wings applied throughout, that would have been a massive improvement.

Might she also look more mortal now because she hasn’t fully rediscovered her full Daedric identity/ powers? And as pointed out, many Daedric princes can or do take on a human form as at least one of their manifestations. I liked her appearance in the trailer and I like the glass aesthetic and am really hoping the next class we get is something themed along these lines, perhaps a bit like the GW2 mesmer class. I know it doesn’t exactly fit with known TES lore, but of course it will be forgotten at some point…

Rolled the dice a few times.







Yeah, still a young woman, I know.

Sorry, uncle herms!

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

But also, daedra does not equate to evil. Not all princes are murderous. Some simply don't care enough about mortals. And some love them.

They all have both positive and negative aspects. Which also means that there's none who's only good and benevolent.

Daedric princes pick their appearance and Ithelia wants to manipulate mortals into feeling bad for her and what better way to start than to appear how she does. She doesn’t want to be forgotten again so why appear overly evil and dark? Everyone would side with Mora.

I think it’s fine.

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Daedric princes pick their appearance and Ithelia wants to manipulate mortals into feeling bad for her and what better way to start than to appear how she does. She doesn’t want to be forgotten again so why appear overly evil and dark? Everyone would side with Mora.
I think it’s fine.

So suddenly a woman who looks like Britney Spears with rainbow wings appears (with, you know, strange vegetation growing overnight, including a zone that turns all natural animals that have been there before into aggressive monsters) and she says "Hi! I'm a Daedric Prince who had been forgotten, but now I'm back!", you feel bad for her and gladly accept that she's now mingling with reality, turning the soil around your house into a forest (and maybe into the crater of an active volcano next)?

Syldras wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Daedric princes pick their appearance and Ithelia wants to manipulate mortals into feeling bad for her and what better way to start than to appear how she does. She doesn’t want to be forgotten again so why appear overly evil and dark? Everyone would side with Mora.
I think it’s fine.

So suddenly a woman who looks like Britney Spears with rainbow wings appears (with, you know, strange vegetation growing overnight, including a zone that turns all natural animals that have been there before into aggressive monsters) and she says "Hi! I'm a Daedric Prince who had been forgotten, but now I'm back!", you feel bad for her and gladly accept that she's now mingling with reality, turning the soil around your house into a forest (and maybe into the crater of an active volcano next)?

I just think people are over thinking this. LoL.

But as an example some races already hate Hermaeus Mora so yeah, I think if she went up to Nords or others and said something that blunt, even tried to manipulate the situation by saying the changes aren’t her, she is trying to stop Mora… people might believe her because they know “good” daedra exist and they hate Mora.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

She's bland and looks like an Instagram model's take on a daedra.

This made me laugh as a description of Daedric Prince I think she looks beautiful and dangerous, but maybe they should have made her more otherworldly and etherial-looking, the markings imo are not enough.

I read though the posts on this thread after looking at the picture, and I had to go back to the image and look again as to refresh my memory, so yeah not too memorable.

I am getting some Jyggalag from it too, but that the price of order's design is better.

Something thread themed, or inspired by Clotho, Lachesis, and Atropos would have work better. She could have manifested as three beings who are truly one entity.

WhosTheFancyOneNow wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

I'm not sure what bothers me the most. That they went for the bland choice that is an attractive, young human looking woman, or a lot of her theme is giving me Jyggalag vibes, but of course Jyggalag is not mentioned at all. Maybe they have a plan to have a connection between the two, but I'm closer to believe he and his crystal theme is forgotten.

Necrom spoilers (as if it really matters at this point)

That’s something that concerned me during the end of the Necrom quest, where we see the 2nd Glyphic (I think thats when anyways). Vaermina says something along the lines of “we can’t do that to another Prince!” and I was just sat there thinking… you did though? Unless the Ithelia situation happened prior to Jyggalag, this doesn’t make much sense. Maybe Hermaeus learned somehow from the situation (he does remember there’s a secret at least) and that’s why Jyggalag had a different fate but I don’t see how Vaermina and Peryite would be okay torturing Jyggalag but not Ithelia unless they both have a particular hatred unique to Jyggalag since he was directly a threat to all Princes.

Also during the stream it sounded like we’ve gotten no new Princes for a very long time. Which 20 years is a decent chunk of time but as far as I can tell Jyggalag got most of his lore with Oblivion.

Either way, here’s to hoping for more Jyggalag lore. After all, he does share quite a few similarities with Ithelia…

I haven't gotten to do Necrom so this is...urgh.

WhosTheFancyOneNow wrote: »

Judging by the details of summerset, getting daedric princes to cooperate on any goal without backstabbing each other is nigh impossible. Yet one thing they all agree on is tucking her away in a pit to be forgotten for all time. How messed up you gotta be for that?

Well, as me and Soarora followed up on, they have cooperated before, regarding Jyggalag, and that was either all princes or the majority of them, not just three. But apparently they have forgotten about that.

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

I'm not sure what bothers me the most. That they went for the bland choice that is an attractive, young human looking woman, or a lot of her theme is giving me Jyggalag vibes, but of course Jyggalag is not mentioned at all. Maybe they have a plan to have a connection between the two, but I'm closer to believe he and his crystal theme is forgotten.

Necrom spoilers (as if it really matters at this point)

That’s something that concerned me during the end of the Necrom quest, where we see the 2nd Glyphic (I think thats when anyways). Vaermina says something along the lines of “we can’t do that to another Prince!” and I was just sat there thinking… you did though? Unless the Ithelia situation happened prior to Jyggalag, this doesn’t make much sense. Maybe Hermaeus learned somehow from the situation (he does remember there’s a secret at least) and that’s why Jyggalag had a different fate but I don’t see how Vaermina and Peryite would be okay torturing Jyggalag but not Ithelia unless they both have a particular hatred unique to Jyggalag since he was directly a threat to all Princes.

Also during the stream it sounded like we’ve gotten no new Princes for a very long time. Which 20 years is a decent chunk of time but as far as I can tell Jyggalag got most of his lore with Oblivion.

Either way, here’s to hoping for more Jyggalag lore. After all, he does share quite a few similarities with Ithelia…

I haven't gotten to do Necrom so this is...urgh.

WhosTheFancyOneNow wrote: »

Judging by the details of summerset, getting daedric princes to cooperate on any goal without backstabbing each other is nigh impossible. Yet one thing they all agree on is tucking her away in a pit to be forgotten for all time. How messed up you gotta be for that?

Well, as me and Soarora followed up on, they have cooperated before, regarding Jyggalag, and that was either all princes or the majority of them, not just three. But apparently they have forgotten about that.

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Jyggalag


clearly though Jyggalag knows of Ithelia because he was not part of that whatever happened to her? And while Jyggalag was nutso he wasn't silenced or forgotten. His state clearly makes him the knower of this unknowing?

The fandom wiki is generally not a good place to look (UESP is much more trusted and had less ads). Jyggalag was silenced and forgotten. He doesn’t currently (in ESO time) even exist. His Realm is the same as Sheogorath’s, his body, the same. His memories even… Sheo just doesn’t like remembering being Jyggalag. So if Jyggy knows, Sheo does too. There is no Jyggalag apart from his Chamberlain Dysus, there is only Sheo. We almost never see mention of him because Nirn largely forgot about him. He only exists during Greymarches which only last long enough for him to conquer and obliterate his own Realm before turning back to Sheo. We only get independent Jyggalag after Oblivion and who knows what he’s even doing because he didn’t bring his sword or Dysus with him.

Edit: So anyone who does remember him is boiled down to Princes, cults who’ve lasted since Jyggalag still existed, maybe his Daedra wherever they are, Dysus, and some books here and there. In-universe thinking Jyggalag exists is the same level as craziness as thinking Red Mountain has the Heart of Lorkhan in it. It’s true, but you’d be looked at real weird for thinking so.