Can something done about Beggars in zone chat?

Reivax · December 2023

Make a new chat tab, untick everything except NPC.
Now you're playing the game on your terms.
No one but Maiq can bother you, now

Sakiri · December 2023

I leave zone chat on because I like seeing it. It reminds me there's other players in the game, and the banter amuses me.

I've seen that person, too, I just mentally block them out, but I don't find them super super annoying.

Sakiri · December 2023

TaSheen wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Arthtur wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Arthtur wrote: »

So he asked for gold and said what he wanted and why. He is called a scammer.
In gift exchange thread there are players asking for a lot more than this "scammer". How do we call them?
Not going to lie, 1kk gold wont hurt as much as gifting an entire Item from crown store.
Im not going to talk if he is a scammer or not. It just wierd to me that there is so many worse "scams" close by and nobody talks about them. But someone asked the same thing on the zone chat and he is big bad guy.

They imply, in some of their long whiny posts, that they’ve been working so long and hard for such-and-such item and this is just the last bit they need, when really they’ve been doing this for a long time now. Multiple zones, every day. Perhaps “scam” is not exactly right but it’s generally deplorable behavior.

How can you compare the gifting thread??? People are invited to post their wishes there. Now if someone were to constantly make new posts, asking for the “one” thing they so desperately need, that would be approaching the same thing. I haven’t seen that and indeed, it would not be so easy to do as old posts don’t just disappear, etc.

As i said, i dont want to talk about if this one is a scam or not but how diffrent ppl treat the same thing on zone chat and on forums.
Person on Zone chat asks for 1kk gold. If i want i can make 5kk gold in one day so its rly not much for me. I know that for some 1kk is a lot but there is many players who wont have a problem with gifting such amount.
Now, another person ask for stuff worth over 20k CROWNS on forums and nobody talks about it. Does the thread name "Gift Exchange" rly justify such requests? The fact that ppl are "invited"? That amount of money would put food on my table for entire month.
Ppl dont have to make multiple post because 1 is enough as everyone cas see it. In game zone chat doesnt work like that. U write it once and barerly anyone will see it.
I dont know what more i can say. its just doesnt look normal for me. Tho im pretty sure it would be better to spend that amount of money on your mother, father and rest of the family, or even your friends who stick with you for years. Not a random person on game forums.
Anyway i think thats it for me. I just wanted to say that as i just couldnt stay silent about it. If u think its okay, all power to you.

Surely i struggle to find money for eso+ and the justification for such an extravagance. I'm also no fan of christmas. I hear you.

But if people can afford it, and it brings them joy to give, why to give to those who appreciate it as well? If that’s not your thing, totally fine!

For me, Christmas was fun as a child but I’m really not into it now, kind of neutral about it overall to be honest. But I participate in the thread because it is one way that I do feel something of the holiday spirit. There are no obligations or expectations to disappoint. I enjoy finding a request that I can fulfill, and if I can have some creativity in doing so, all the more so.

I think it’s not about the amount, but the intention.

I'm rather in the same boat - I've never been religious and Christmas in my house these days is for husband - who is entirely traditiional as he approaches the end of his life (no, not immanent, but hell - he'll be 90 next year and has various health issues).

I'm far more into the Wiccan year - wheel; Yule/Midwinter/Solstice suits me better than Christmas.

You know what, TaSheen, I think I know you from somewhere else. lol

Hi.

TaSheen · December 2023

Hey. Not at all without the realm of the possible!

PieMaster1 · December 2023

Lol it truly astounds me how people think. "Someone asking multiple times in several chats if anyone has spare gold? They are a spammer and exploiting players! It should be made as a new rule ASAP because I don't like people using a public chat in ways I don't personally agree with!!"

Asking in different zone chats on a rotation of every hour or 2 is not spam in any way. Asking for in-game fake currency is not exploiting, even if they are pretending to be new or broke. It rests entirely on the sender whether or not they want to risk sending gold out

SilverBride · December 2023

It astounds me that someone making up fake stories to scam other players out of gold, then bragging about it in Craglorn could be defended.

PieMaster1 · December 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

It astounds me that someone making up fake stories to scam other players out of gold, then bragging about it in Craglorn could be defended.

I respect their hustle. If people are dumb and/or naive enough to keep giving in to them, who cares if that person lost gold? Shouldn't have given it away to begin with if you weren't 100% sure of their intentions

The world isn't a fairy tale place where everyone is a selfless empath who conducts themselves in a neat and orderly manner. Schemers, con artists, etc. will always exist and if you try to get rid of them, they'll just make 20 funnel alt accounts and now the situation is 10 times worse

If it really bothers you that much, put them on your list where you won't see them. Asking for the entire thing to be banned is just something else entirely lol

SilverBride · December 2023

There are consequences in real life for bad behaviour, and this game also has standards of behaviour that need to be met. What this player is doing does not meet these in my opinion and I am asking that this kind of toxicity not be allowed to continue.

Others may disagree but this is my opinion and it's not going to change.

vibeborn · December 2023

I would definitely label it as scamming. If someone irl went somewhere (either in the real world, or online) and begged for money because they were in such "dire need", and then when they got the money, went to another place, and begged there because of their "dire need" it would be called a scam.

But so far, the best thing others can do is see through these peoples' bs.

Also while I'm fine with homeless people asking for some money for something to eat, I loathe the people who try to tug at your heartstrings by telling you some bs story, and imo, saying that you need something in several zones, and getting money from those zones, and going on with the begging, while not exactly the same, is to me similar to the people who stand on the streets with a "Please donate to save this random kid's, whose picture we found on Shutterstock, life."

vibeborn · December 2023

PieMaster1 wrote: »

vibeborn wrote: »

I would definitely label it as scamming. If someone irl went somewhere (either in the real world, or online) and begged for money because they were in such "dire need", and then when they got the money, went to another place, and begged there because of their "dire need" it would be called a scam.

But so far, the best thing others can do is see through these peoples' bs.

Also while I'm fine with homeless people asking for some money for something to eat, I loathe the people who try to tug at your heartstrings by telling you some bs story, and imo, saying that you need something in several zones, and getting money from those zones, and going on with the begging, while not exactly the same, is to me similar to the people who stand on the streets with a "Please donate to save this random kid's, whose picture we found on Shutterstock, life."

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I do agree, that people need to be vigilant, and sometimes take things with a grain of salt (or is it gram?) I just don't have any respect for online scammers (and some beggars) in total, so I think it's totally fair if these people are warned against. That's what police or companies do if their name is being used in a scam. But of course if people willingly want to pay 1 million gold to some random in zone chat, then by all means be my guest. They are even welcome to pay it to me also if they want, but I have no need of it

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tsaescishoeshiner · December 2023

Honestly, I just reported this person as spam, because they would post every few minutes with an unreasonable request that could arguably be called emotionally manipulative. Definitely spam, it wasn't a trade or a real request.

I did send them a message about what they were doing first, but it was a very very brief interaction. I hope they earned their million gold. I stopped seeing them in chat.

maboleth · December 2023

Ph1p wrote: »

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Totally. I'm on PCEU, if you happen to have some gold, flowers, potatoes, anything, you can contact me.

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ClowdyAllDay · December 2023

Pelanora wrote: »

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Yes indeed

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KiltMaster · December 2023

Brakkish wrote: »

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REGARDING the original post, probably just some kid. Slap the acct. name on block and move on. Too much wasted energy to make a whole thread about it IMO

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Pepegrillos · December 2023

It's just 1 million anyway.

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katanagirl1 · December 2023

Not worth my time to bother with anything like this.

I’m much more concerned with the many groups of bots plaguing the starter zones and Craglorn (and they are popping up in other base game zones all the time), and if nothing can be done about them, I have no hope of anything else getting resolved.

Also, if players can’t learn from being deceived the first time and keep falling for it, there is no hope for them either, basically.

ClowdyAllDay · December 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

CrashTest wrote: »

Earlier I said this beggar spams as much as the gold seller bots. I was wrong. He's worse than the bots because at least the bots don't spam up the DLC zones.

Again, I know we can just ignore him, but this kind of begging is seriously beyond anything I've ever seen in game and I've been playing since launch. This guy has now upped his begging to 3 million.

It's obvious at this point he's not only a liar, but it seems like he's a troll too because when he spams zone chat, it causes arguments so even if I put him on ignore, I still have to see the consequences of his scummy spamming.

I'm not turning off my zone chat because of trolls and I shouldn't have to because it's there for us players to communicate with each other, not to be abused.

I agree with the OP. I don't want this extreme begging and spamming to become the norm in ESO.

It is really out of control.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

What is ZoS's stance on this kind of thing? Is it a violation of the ToS?

crickets

SilverBride · December 2023

This was today's message. It varies from day to day but is being repeated in multiple zones.

Blackbird_V · December 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

This was today's message. It varies from day to day but is being repeated in multiple zones.

Just block them? Here's some addons that can help

You've done what you felt was necessary in reporting them. Nothing much more you can do.

Stamicka · December 2023

I mean at what point does asking for literally anything becoming "begging" in your eyes?

I really hope nothing is ever done about this, that would be a huge overreach on ZOS' part.

SilverBride · December 2023

I really hope something is done about this.

nebula3832 · December 2023

On the twelfth day of Christmas,
my true love gave to me
Twelve drummers drumming,
Eleven pipers piping,
Ten lords a-leaping,
Nine ladies dancing,
Eight maids a-milking,
Seven swans a-swimming,
Six geese a-laying,
Five golden rings,
Four calling birds,
Three French hens,
Two turtle doves,
And a partridge in a pear tree!
And no celestial crates!

Tallon_IV · December 2023

I've seen that person for days going to every zone asking. In the amount of time he spent begging, he could've earned that much gold and more.

spartaxoxo · December 2023

Stamicka wrote: »

I mean at what point does asking for literally anything becoming "begging" in your eyes?

I really hope nothing is ever done about this, that would be a huge overreach on ZOS' part.

There's a pretty big difference between a charity scam and a legit charity. I think ZOS can tell the difference between the two and punish appropriately only the former. Scamming and spam are already against the TOS, so it wouldn't be an overreach at all.

Diebesgut · December 2023

... sounds like Beggars Opera 🙃

https://youtu.be/o-raKO42kBM?si=InQYj15ySpBL1UH1

Braffin · December 2023

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Stamicka wrote: »

I mean at what point does asking for literally anything becoming "begging" in your eyes?

I really hope nothing is ever done about this, that would be a huge overreach on ZOS' part.

There's a pretty big difference between a charity scam and a legit charity. I think ZOS can tell the difference between the two and punish appropriately only the former. Scamming and spam are already against the TOS, so it wouldn't be an overreach at all.

Obviously zos itself uses a different interpretation of their own ToS, as nothing happened regardless of all the reports some protectionists handed in. 😆

And they are completely right in ignoring those baseless complaints.

spartaxoxo · December 2023

Braffin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Stamicka wrote: »

I mean at what point does asking for literally anything becoming "begging" in your eyes?

I really hope nothing is ever done about this, that would be a huge overreach on ZOS' part.

There's a pretty big difference between a charity scam and a legit charity. I think ZOS can tell the difference between the two and punish appropriately only the former. Scamming and spam are already against the TOS, so it wouldn't be an overreach at all.

Obviously zos itself uses a different interpretation of their own ToS, as nothing happened regardless of all the reports some protectionists handed in.

You don't actually know that. I've seen people banned for less, so I wouldn't be surprised if this person finds themselves with a social ban eventually too. This is the type of situation that would take multiple reports because begging in and of itself is not automatically against the TOS.

The complaints are not baseless. Using deceit to trick people into parting with money they would not otherwise part with is pretty straightforward.

IZZEFlameLash · December 2023

Lol, you can just ignore and move on like many people suggested. A lot of people play this game and there's bound to be someone asking for gold. Unless they actively follow you, spamming every second, griefing you with gameplay trolling, they aren't in the TOS violation.

Braffin · December 2023

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Stamicka wrote: »

I mean at what point does asking for literally anything becoming "begging" in your eyes?

I really hope nothing is ever done about this, that would be a huge overreach on ZOS' part.

There's a pretty big difference between a charity scam and a legit charity. I think ZOS can tell the difference between the two and punish appropriately only the former. Scamming and spam are already against the TOS, so it wouldn't be an overreach at all.

Obviously zos itself uses a different interpretation of their own ToS, as nothing happened regardless of all the reports some protectionists handed in.

You don't actually know that. I've seen people banned for less, so I wouldn't be surprised if this person finds themselves with a social ban eventually too. This is the type of situation that would take multiple reports because begging in and of itself is not automatically against the TOS.

The complaints are not baseless. Using deceit to trick people into parting with money they would not otherwise part with is pretty straightforward.

I actually know, that nothing happened for the last two days while at least one person reported this actions every single time they witnessed it. Both is said in this thread.

We both don't have any other source of information, as we don't play on pc na. We don't know if there is spam happening or if OP is exaggerating because they oppose asking for money/materials in general.

We do know tho, that OP isn't solely talking about a single person but would like to see "begging" forbidden in general in zone chat. That is clearly stated in the headline as well as a respective statement on page 2 of this thread. And that's as disgusting as the behaviour of the "beggar" in question imo. At least if the latter is truly trying to scam, which we both can't say for sure without visiting pc na.

Besides that, the rules regarding spam have to be used evenly and balanced for all messages in zone chat, regardless of the content in question. If it's forbidden to ask for money once or twice in every zone, it's also forbidden for traders, guild advertizers and every other copy-pasted message. All this isn't forbidden tho and happens all day long for years now without zos taking action.

So it's clearly not spam, otherwise the implemented filter against spamming would already have reacted.

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