Can something done about Beggars in zone chat?

SilverBride

This player has been going zone to zone for several days now asking for others to give them 1 million gold because they are in such dire need of getting a crate pack.

In my opinion this is a form of exploiting other players. If this isn't against the ToS I feel that it should be.

Can anything be done about this?

Braffin

I don't see any exploit or harassment tbh.

Yeah, it's a bit odd and it's quite unlikely that someone will gift a million gold. On the other side they are just asking and doing no harm, so it's definitely not against ToS.

Just put them on your ignore list, if you feel bothered or deactivate zone chat completely. The latter also helps with the countless guild advertisements and crown buying inquiries. (I did so, because both is annoying me although it's not against ToS either.)

majulook

I wish there was a solution for this....

PC has a Add-on that blocks the wall of text from Guild AD's which identifies the "link" in the chat and stops the chat from showing. But i believe it is not possible to make a do not show for normal chat. Adding them to Ignore list will only make you quickly hit the limit.

FayJolyn

^ I can recommend that add-on. My chat is so much more pleasant now I no longer have to see ads for guilds and crown sellers. it auto blocks certain words and honestly it so nice to actually see conversations again.

SilverBride

I think it is doing harm because it is spam, for one, which IS against the ToS. And it creates conflict in zone chat with players that are fed up with this kind of thing going on for days at a time.

We should not have to block all zone chat because of these players. I like to keep zone open so if others are asking for help with a World Boss, for example, I am able to hear this and lend a hand.

Sheezabeast

This is the person you unload your spare Tomatoes on.

TaSheen

Or find and mudball....

Braffin

SilverBride wrote: »

I think it is doing harm because it is spam, for one, which IS against the ToS. And it creates conflict in zone chat with players that are fed up with this kind of thing going on for days at a time.

We should not have to block all zone chat because of these players. I like to keep zone open so if others are asking for help with a World Boss, for example, I am able to hear this and lend a hand.

You don't have to block all zone chat because of a few players, or one in this case. There is an ignore button for that.

Regarding spam: Should something be done against all the guild advertisements too? Or the people asking for crown trading? Then we have the traders, spamming the whole chat with their goods like a hoard of hawkers. The heck, it's even possible to spam requests for getting help with a WB.

I have seen all of that before deactivating zone chat, while beggars like in your example were comparably scarce.

So, honestly: Why exactly you are fine with all of this (I assume so, because there isn't a thread regarding this "issues".), but the beggar has to be silenced? That's a bit odd too tbh.

Tenthirty2

SilverBride wrote: »

This player has been going zone to zone for several days now asking for others to give them 1 million gold because they are in such dire need of getting a crate pack.

In my opinion this is a form of exploiting other players. If this isn't against the ToS I feel that it should be.

Can anything be done about this?

It's just begging and easily ignoreable, which is what I do
Like most things in zone chat actually.

I'll step in to help out more reasonable requests like someone who is short a couple mats for a writ, etc
But that much is excessive and the means to earn piles of gold are already in game without having to scam beg.

valenwood_vegan

I mean I think we all know what the options are -

Ignore the player

Report the player

Turn off zone chat.

Personally I went with "turn off zone chat" because I found most of what I used to see there to fall somewhere between mildly spammy and downright offensive.

While this persistent beggar could be reported, I personally wouldn't bother as I don't think it rises to that level and I wouldn't expect ZoS to take any action.

SilverBride

Braffin wrote: »

So, honestly: Why exactly you are fine with all of this (I assume so, because there isn't a thread regarding this "issues".), but the beggar has to be silenced? That's a bit odd too tbh.

I never said I was fine with anything. I may be, or I may not be, but that isn't what this thread is about.

Verbum_Rithimus

There once was a player who asked
for small sums of gold then basked
as the gold rolled into one
proved to be such a vast sum
while their greed continued to be masked.

Braffin

SilverBride wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

So, honestly: Why exactly you are fine with all of this (I assume so, because there isn't a thread regarding this "issues".), but the beggar has to be silenced? That's a bit odd too tbh.

I never said I was fine with anything. I may be, or I may not be, but that isn't what this thread is about.

That's why I wrote "I assume so".

I didn't expect you were requesting to forbid a specific behaviour (in this case going from zone to zone and post something in chat there for several days) only if a specific message (in this case asking for gold) is transported.

But obviously you did exactly that.

Soarora

Sometimes people beg for things that are perfectly reasonable, like a single mudcrab chitin for an alchemy writ or 250 gold to level up their mount. A rule against begging removes this possibility for kindness.

Besides, I've seen the same person now lf 3 million gold and people in zone chat mentioning that they've been going at it for a while. People have a memory, they're not gonna be able to keep begging without comments being made that may sway potential donors.

SilverBride

Braffin wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

So, honestly: Why exactly you are fine with all of this (I assume so, because there isn't a thread regarding this "issues".), but the beggar has to be silenced? That's a bit odd too tbh.

I never said I was fine with anything. I may be, or I may not be, but that isn't what this thread is about.

That's why I wrote "I assume so".

I didn't expect you were requesting to forbid a specific behaviour (in this case going from zone to zone and post something in chat there for several days) only if a specific message (in this case asking for gold) is transported.

But obviously you did exactly that.

My motives for bringing up a specific behaviour are not what this thread is about. It is about the behaviour itself.

CrashTest

Is begging for gold against TOS?

I usually don't mind gold beggars because they're rare and don't try to manipulate you out of millions and free crown crates like this one.

AvalonRanger

Simply ignore. Then, no problem all.

Braffin

SilverBride wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

So, honestly: Why exactly you are fine with all of this (I assume so, because there isn't a thread regarding this "issues".), but the beggar has to be silenced? That's a bit odd too tbh.

I never said I was fine with anything. I may be, or I may not be, but that isn't what this thread is about.

That's why I wrote "I assume so".

I didn't expect you were requesting to forbid a specific behaviour (in this case going from zone to zone and post something in chat there for several days) only if a specific message (in this case asking for gold) is transported.

But obviously you did exactly that.

My motives for bringing up a specific behaviour are not what this thread is about. It is about the behaviour itself.

I didn't speculate about your motives at all.

You said for yourself this behaviour shouldn't be allowed in general because it is spam and players could be upset reading it.

I provided examples of ongoing and constant spam in zone chat which is upsetting players.

Then you say, it's not about spam but about begging.

Well, I disagree. It shouldn't be (and won't become) against ToS. A lot of newer players are asking for materials or a amount of gold and such things all the time. There is no reason to forbid that because of a few outliers.

For the very same reason we could ask to forbid trading in chat (could be overpriced and therefore be scam) or crown trading (rather easy to scam here).

SilverBride

Braffin wrote: »

Then you say, it's not about spam but about begging.

I never said that, either.

Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

virtus753

CrashTest wrote: »

Is begging for gold against TOS?

I usually don't mind gold beggars because they're rare and don't try to manipulate you out of millions and free crown crates like this one.

I believe begging (as in asking for something for free) is not per se against ToS, but spamming is (and this would qualify). Often the two overlap, but not always.

I have seen this exact text - down to the same grammatical and typographical errors, so it's clearly copy-pasted - appear in various zone chats repeatedly and daily for the past week at least. Every time it's been posted, zone chat responds with comments pointing out that it has been going on often for a while now, including one person who claimed it had been seen "all day in Craglorn" and another who said it had appeared in many zones. (I've seen at least four zones with it myself.)

If one person asks once or twice for an in-game good or service for free, I don't understand how that would fall afoul of ToS/CoC, provided it isn't asking for anyone to break rules (like account sharing to get Maelstrom done or RMT, etc.). But if they copypasta repeatedly every day, I would have to imagine that qualifies as spamming.

Hapexamendios

lol them and move on

Verbum_Rithimus

THE BEGGAR'S PALACE aka suh-suh-suckered! wrote:

[beggar] - slow:
may I have a cornflower?
a cornflower, a cornflower?
May I please have one cornflower
To finish up this writ?

[chorus] - faster:
So I sent out one cornflower
One cornflower, one cornflower,
I sent out one cornflower.
As did every body else.

[beggar]:
May I have a dreugh wax?
a dreugh wax, a dreugh wax?
May I please have one dreugh wax
To finish up this writ?

[chorus] - faster:
So I sent out one dreugh wax
One dreugh wax, one dreugh wax
I sent out one dreugh wax
As did every body else

[beggar]:
May i have 10 gold please
10 gold please, 10 gold please?
May I have 10 gold please?
To finish up this quest.

[chorus] - faster
So I sent out 10 gold then
10 gold then, 10 gold then
I sent out 10 gold then
As did every body else.

~traditional Beggars Song

And the moral of these witty ditties:
chat zone beggars ain't so pretty
But TOS? I doubt they break,
Sending stuff is OUR mistake.

TaSheen

Verbum_Rithimus wrote: »

THE BEGGAR'S PALACE aka suh-suh-suckered! wrote:

[beggar] - slow:
may I have a cornflower?
a cornflower, a cornflower?
May I please have one cornflower
To finish up this writ?

[chorus] - faster:
So I sent out one cornflower
One cornflower, one cornflower,
I sent out one cornflower.
As did every body else.

[beggar]:
May I have a dreugh wax?
a dreugh wax, a dreugh wax?
May I please have one dreugh wax
To finish up this writ?

[chorus] - faster:
So I sent out one dreugh wax
One dreugh wax, one dreugh wax
I sent out one dreugh wax
As did every body else

[beggar]:
May i have 10 gold please
10 gold please, 10 gold please?
May I have 10 gold please?
To finish up this quest.

[chorus] - faster
So I sent out 10 gold then
10 gold then, 10 gold then
I sent out 10 gold then
As did every body else.

~traditional Beggars Song

And the moral of these witty ditties:
chat zone beggars ain't so pretty
But TOS? I doubt they break,
Sending stuff is OUR mistake.

You got the intarwebs gold medal for the day! Absolutely marvelous, may you rhyme long and prosper!

dragonlord500

it doesn't help the fact that the crown store has vastly to much limited time stuff. FOMO is becoming a serious issue now.

NoticeMeArkay

This is about as exploitive as people calling for crown traders all day long and demanding the gift first.
So, speaking by Zos actions in regards of that and the overall amount of negative threads opened by players regarding this topic: Not at all.

Zone chat is a public channel. Everybody may communicate over it for as long as they stick to rules.
This fella isn't harming anyone, except for maybe himself because it takes a lot to beg publicly and with your account name visible to all. I'm more sad about this guy being put into a corner of desperation by ZoS microtransactions rather than about his public exposure of his addiction (?).

Players are capable to decide for themselves wether or not they should gift an unknown person 1 milion gold out of pocket.
They should also be very well capable of rightclicking the name and putting said person on their ignore list.
The only thing preventing this is a filled up ignore list - And the only folks I know who managed to achieve that had a more difficult issue to deal with than other people's public behaviour.

Vulkunne

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

This is about as exploitive as people calling for crown traders all day long and demanding the gift first.
So, speaking by Zos actions in regards of that and the overall amount of negative threads opened by players regarding this topic: Not at all.

Zone chat is a public channel. Everybody may communicate over it for as long as they stick to rules.
This fella isn't harming anyone, except for maybe himself because it takes a lot to beg publicly and with your account name visible to all. I'm more sad about this guy being put into a corner of desperation by ZoS microtransactions rather than about his public exposure of his addiction (?).

Players are capable to decide for themselves wether or not they should gift an unknown person 1 milion gold out of pocket.
They should also be very well capable of rightclicking the name and putting said person on their ignore list.
The only thing preventing this is a filled up ignore list - And the only folks I know who managed to achieve that had a more difficult issue to deal with than other people's public behaviour.

Gold Star. I turned off zone chat years ago and have recently expanded that good effort by turning off guild chat as well. I like to think of it as being like a 'progressive thing'. Like being a man in motion except I'm more of a man locked in a sound proof room.

TaSheen

Vulkunne wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

This is about as exploitive as people calling for crown traders all day long and demanding the gift first.
So, speaking by Zos actions in regards of that and the overall amount of negative threads opened by players regarding this topic: Not at all.

Zone chat is a public channel. Everybody may communicate over it for as long as they stick to rules.
This fella isn't harming anyone, except for maybe himself because it takes a lot to beg publicly and with your account name visible to all. I'm more sad about this guy being put into a corner of desperation by ZoS microtransactions rather than about his public exposure of his addiction (?).

Players are capable to decide for themselves wether or not they should gift an unknown person 1 milion gold out of pocket.
They should also be very well capable of rightclicking the name and putting said person on their ignore list.
The only thing preventing this is a filled up ignore list - And the only folks I know who managed to achieve that had a more difficult issue to deal with than other people's public behaviour.

Gold Star. I turned off zone chat years ago and have recently expanded that good effort by turning off guild chat as well. I like to think of it as being like a 'progressive thing'. Like being a man in motion except I'm more of a man locked in a sound proof room.

Agreed. I disabled zone chat the minute I logged into the game the first time (YEARS back now). After WoW and RIFT.... well, I knew going in that I wasn't going to want to have all that crap going on.... If I could actually remove the chat box permanently, I'd love it. Guild chat not a problem, only guild I'm in is BMU and there's never much going on there for obvious reasons....

Freilauftomate

SilverBride wrote: »

Can anything be done about this?

Put the name on your ignore list.

Now send me 1 gold for doing brain work for you. Thanks. Or don't, i don't care about virtual money in a video game.

AuroranGoldenEagle

I've put that person in ignore after seeing them in several zones, I swear I thought they were following me! Just another example as to why zone chat stays off most of the time for me.

As an aside, I wonder if anyone (or multiple people!) has gifted them the mil

TheDuke

Easy solution: Free gold for everyone! 😉

TaSheen

Freilauftomate wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Can anything be done about this?

Put the name on your ignore list.

Now send me 1 gold for doing brain work for you. Thanks. Or don't, i don't care about virtual money in a video game.

I'd send you a bunch - except you're on PS and I'm on PC. Kudos to you!