Can something done about Beggars in zone chat?

Harry_Toes · December 2023

Braffin wrote: »

I don't see any exploit or harassment tbh.

Yeah, it's a bit odd and it's quite unlikely that someone will gift a million gold. On the other side they are just asking and doing no harm, so it's definitely not against ToS.

Just put them on your ignore list, if you feel bothered or deactivate zone chat completely. The latter also helps with the countless guild advertisements and crown buying inquiries. (I did so, because both is annoying me although it's not against ToS either.)

It's not an exploit, per se, but there's no way to know if it's a real request or just another unscrupulous gold seller looking to con soft hearted players during the holiday.

CrashTest · December 2023

According to this beggar, it's working so that's why he keeps doing it. He was boasting in zone chat about all the free millions and crown crates he got so far doing this.

He must be spamming every zone, even DLCs, and all day because I spent the weekend clearing out a ton of surveys all over the place and he was everywhere.

Yeah, yeah we can all put him on ignore but this guy spams as much as a gold seller bot, so I see OP's point.

SilverBride · December 2023

Someone preying on the generosity of others under false pretenses, like this player is doing, is scamming. And they are going around to every zone for hours at a time posting this false message, which is spamming.

I reported them and will continue to do so every time I see this happen. I hope ZoS takes this seriously. This is much worse than some of the things players have received social bans for.

Arthtur · December 2023

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Arthtur wrote: »

So he asked for gold and said what he wanted and why. He is called a scammer.
In gift exchange thread there are players asking for a lot more than this "scammer". How do we call them?
Not going to lie, 1kk gold wont hurt as much as gifting an entire Item from crown store.
Im not going to talk if he is a scammer or not. It just wierd to me that there is so many worse "scams" close by and nobody talks about them. But someone asked the same thing on the zone chat and he is big bad guy.

They imply, in some of their long whiny posts, that they’ve been working so long and hard for such-and-such item and this is just the last bit they need, when really they’ve been doing this for a long time now. Multiple zones, every day. Perhaps “scam” is not exactly right but it’s generally deplorable behavior.

How can you compare the gifting thread??? People are invited to post their wishes there. Now if someone were to constantly make new posts, asking for the “one” thing they so desperately need, that would be approaching the same thing. I haven’t seen that and indeed, it would not be so easy to do as old posts don’t just disappear, etc.

As i said, i dont want to talk about if this one is a scam or not but how diffrent ppl treat the same thing on zone chat and on forums.
Person on Zone chat asks for 1kk gold. If i want i can make 5kk gold in one day so its rly not much for me. I know that for some 1kk is a lot but there is many players who wont have a problem with gifting such amount.
Now, another person ask for stuff worth over 20k CROWNS on forums and nobody talks about it. Does the thread name "Gift Exchange" rly justify such requests? The fact that ppl are "invited"? That amount of money would put food on my table for entire month.
Ppl dont have to make multiple post because 1 is enough as everyone cas see it. In game zone chat doesnt work like that. U write it once and barerly anyone will see it.
I dont know what more i can say. its just doesnt look normal for me. Tho im pretty sure it would be better to spend that amount of money on your mother, father and rest of the family, or even your friends who stick with you for years. Not a random person on game forums.
Anyway i think thats it for me. I just wanted to say that as i just couldnt stay silent about it. If u think its okay, all power to you.

SilverBride · December 2023

Arthtur wrote: »

Now, another person ask for stuff worth over 20k CROWNS on forums and nobody talks about it. Does the thread name "Gift Exchange" rly justify such requests? The fact that ppl are "invited"? That amount of money would put food on my table for entire month.

I have a big problem with that thread, too.

Braffin · December 2023

Harry_Toes wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

I don't see any exploit or harassment tbh.

Yeah, it's a bit odd and it's quite unlikely that someone will gift a million gold. On the other side they are just asking and doing no harm, so it's definitely not against ToS.

Just put them on your ignore list, if you feel bothered or deactivate zone chat completely. The latter also helps with the countless guild advertisements and crown buying inquiries. (I did so, because both is annoying me although it's not against ToS either.)

It's not an exploit, per se, but there's no way to know if it's a real request or just another unscrupulous gold seller looking to con soft hearted players during the holiday.

You are right. That doesn't matter tho, as they're explicitely asking for a gift. So anybody able to read and understand what's written knows that the money is gone without compensation anyways. Doesn't really matter what the recipient is doing with it.

Every single request to buy crowns marked with "gift first" is more dangerous regarding being a possible exploit/scam, because there is compensation promised, but it's not certain you'll recieve it.

The latter isn't forbidden, so this minor nuisance isn't worth the hassle imo.

ClowdyAllDay · December 2023

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

Several things can be done:

1. Ignore them.

2. Block them.

3. Ridicule them for being lazy scum, or

4. Spam zone with messages so you drown out their message.

#3 is my preferred method for dealing with people like this. If they need crowns, they can always get a job and buy them themselves.

not everyone can get a job though. but probably many people can. I like options 1 and 2 the most as they take little effort from me if someone is a pest, placing them on ignore is easy enough. Number 3 is not an option for me because it takes energy away from the game and i just dont want to be that person who reviles others. Number 4 could get you reported for spamming chat depending... Thank you for this list. i'll stick to 1 and 2

My thought is that zone chat consists mainly people buying crowns and posting ads for guilds and little else constructive goes on in zone chat BUT there are those times when someone is looking for help with a group boss so for the sake of the few occasions i try to keep zone chat open just in case someone needs in game assistance and i'm in the place to actually help,

ClowdyAllDay · December 2023

Arthtur wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Arthtur wrote: »

So he asked for gold and said what he wanted and why. He is called a scammer.
In gift exchange thread there are players asking for a lot more than this "scammer". How do we call them?
Not going to lie, 1kk gold wont hurt as much as gifting an entire Item from crown store.
Im not going to talk if he is a scammer or not. It just wierd to me that there is so many worse "scams" close by and nobody talks about them. But someone asked the same thing on the zone chat and he is big bad guy.

They imply, in some of their long whiny posts, that they’ve been working so long and hard for such-and-such item and this is just the last bit they need, when really they’ve been doing this for a long time now. Multiple zones, every day. Perhaps “scam” is not exactly right but it’s generally deplorable behavior.

How can you compare the gifting thread??? People are invited to post their wishes there. Now if someone were to constantly make new posts, asking for the “one” thing they so desperately need, that would be approaching the same thing. I haven’t seen that and indeed, it would not be so easy to do as old posts don’t just disappear, etc.

As i said, i dont want to talk about if this one is a scam or not but how diffrent ppl treat the same thing on zone chat and on forums.
Person on Zone chat asks for 1kk gold. If i want i can make 5kk gold in one day so its rly not much for me. I know that for some 1kk is a lot but there is many players who wont have a problem with gifting such amount.
Now, another person ask for stuff worth over 20k CROWNS on forums and nobody talks about it. Does the thread name "Gift Exchange" rly justify such requests? The fact that ppl are "invited"? That amount of money would put food on my table for entire month.
Ppl dont have to make multiple post because 1 is enough as everyone cas see it. In game zone chat doesnt work like that. U write it once and barerly anyone will see it.
I dont know what more i can say. its just doesnt look normal for me. Tho im pretty sure it would be better to spend that amount of money on your mother, father and rest of the family, or even your friends who stick with you for years. Not a random person on game forums.
Anyway i think thats it for me. I just wanted to say that as i just couldnt stay silent about it. If u think its okay, all power to you.

Surely i struggle to find money for eso+ and the justification for such an extravagance. I'm also no fan of christmas. I hear you.

Verbum_Rithimus · December 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

Arthtur wrote: »

Now, another person ask for stuff worth over 20k CROWNS on forums and nobody talks about it. Does the thread name "Gift Exchange" rly justify such requests? The fact that ppl are "invited"? That amount of money would put food on my table for entire month.

I have a big problem with that thread, too.

There's those that give and those that take
While others choose to isolate.
Until you play, you'll never know
The treasure that is hid below.
A few years back I was given tons
And in giving back had so much fun.
There's reciprocity found therein
- Unlike the zone-chat's blunt chagrin.

Gray_howling_parrot · December 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

This player has been going zone to zone for several days now asking for others to give them 1 million gold because they are in such dire need of getting a crate pack.

In my opinion this is a form of exploiting other players. If this isn't against the ToS I feel that it should be.

Can anything be done about this?

Homie idk what your definition of exploit is but that ain’t it. It’s annoying as hell sure, but it’s not an exploit or against TOS lol…

Ignore them, hide zone chat or get one of many addons that helps you with this. Very simply fix and no need for a forum post about it imo. Happy holidays

Xandreia_ · December 2023

put the guy on your ignore list and move on with your day. if people send this person things then thats on them for falling for it.

SilverBride · December 2023

They are exploiting other players by making up false stories to scam them out of gold.

Xandreia_ · December 2023

if people fall for the obvious beg, then thats on them lol, its not zos's or your responsibility to hold peoples hands.

SilverBride · December 2023

As someone else pointed out, a different game they play does not allow begging for gold and I wish that ZoS would take that stance, too. It's toxic to prey on other's generosity this way and I believe that bad actions should be dealt with rather than just ignored.

We also don't know what this player is doing with all the gold they are receiving. They could potentially be a gold seller.

Not everyone will agree with me but this is how I feel and I hope that ZoS will find a way to decrease this type of toxicity in game.

spartaxoxo · December 2023

If the guy had genuinely just been asking for one thing and then stopped after they got it, I'd be okay with that. But since this player is spamming it under false pretenses to get a bunch of things, that should be bannable imo.

To me they should handle this the same way they handle griefing. There are actions that people do that could be considered griefing but are not automatically griefing. e.g. throwing a mudball. In and of itself, not griefing. Following someone around to spam them with them even after being asked to stop? Griefing.

Begging for coin because they want a particular item? Should be okay. Lying about wanting that item while spamming the same message so they can extract millions upon millions of coin and free crates from a ton of people for weeks on end? Should be bannable. It's abusing the generosity of others and makes the game a worse environment for everyone else.

Blackbird_V · December 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

As someone else pointed out, a different game they play does not allow begging for gold and I wish that ZoS would take that stance, too. It's toxic to prey on other's generosity this way and I believe that bad actions should be dealt with rather than just ignored.

We also don't know what this player is doing with all the gold they are receiving. They could potentially be a gold seller.

Not everyone will agree with me but this is how I feel and I hope that ZoS will find a way to decrease this type of toxicity in game.

How would they do that? Anything they would do would affect everyone else. What if some other increment person legitimately asked for money for something? Just once? Should that be disallowed also? Nor do I know what you mean by "decrease this type of toxicity" when I've barely seen it at all in all my time playing the game?

Also, reports are handled pretty fast. If yours is going nowhere, then maybe submit a ticket? And if nothing - move on. If you keep reporting someone, then that in itself is just spamming the report system: it may be you that gets an infraction.

SilverBride wrote: »

Someone preying on the generosity of others under false pretenses, like this player is doing, is scamming. And they are going around to every zone for hours at a time posting this false message, which is spamming.

I reported them and will continue to do so every time I see this happen. I hope ZoS takes this seriously. This is much worse than some of the things players have received social bans for.

ClowdyAllDay · December 2023

some people just want everyone to fall in line with their own belief system. I see nothing of concern. we all play how we like. If we all played the same, how boring would that be? no one would play.

SilverBride · December 2023

Blackbird_V wrote: »

Also, reports are handled pretty fast. If yours is going nowhere, then maybe submit a ticket? And if nothing - move on. If you keep reporting someone, then that in itself is just spamming the report system: it may be you that gets an infraction.

I am aware of the ToS about reporting and abide by all the rules that are in place.

Blackbird_V · December 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

Blackbird_V wrote: »

Also, reports are handled pretty fast. If yours is going nowhere, then maybe submit a ticket? And if nothing - move on. If you keep reporting someone, then that in itself is just spamming the report system: it may be you that gets an infraction.

I am aware of the ToS about reporting and abide by all the rules that are in place.

Yet those who report things can get banned just for reporting. There's been raid groups who encounter a bug, report it, and then get banned............ for reporting.

SilverBride · December 2023

Blackbird_V wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Blackbird_V wrote: »

Also, reports are handled pretty fast. If yours is going nowhere, then maybe submit a ticket? And if nothing - move on. If you keep reporting someone, then that in itself is just spamming the report system: it may be you that gets an infraction.

I am aware of the ToS about reporting and abide by all the rules that are in place.

Yet those who report things can get banned just for reporting. There's been raid groups who encounter a bug, report it, and then get banned............ for reporting.

I have heard of that happening, too. But that is not the topic of this thread.

ClowdyAllDay · December 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

Blackbird_V wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Blackbird_V wrote: »

Also, reports are handled pretty fast. If yours is going nowhere, then maybe submit a ticket? And if nothing - move on. If you keep reporting someone, then that in itself is just spamming the report system: it may be you that gets an infraction.

I am aware of the ToS about reporting and abide by all the rules that are in place.

Yet those who report things can get banned just for reporting. There's been raid groups who encounter a bug, report it, and then get banned............ for reporting.

I have heard of that happening, too. But that is not the topic of this thread.

if you report something to zos that you know isnt a vilation of the tos and you take up zos's time how would you suppose they would feel about that eventually? I can only guess as i don't speak for them. If i were being pstered by people complaining about things that aren't a violaton of tos i would probably just ignore those complaints.

Mithgil · December 2023

It's not scamming. Someone asks for something (for free), someone else can choose to give it to them, or not.

There is nothing ZOS needs to do about it.

There are those that beg for 1 or 2 alchemy mats for example. I will usually send that to them. If they offer to pay I decline the gold.

As for the gold beggars, I used to interact, or reply in Zone chat what they can do to get the gold quite easily in-game. I realized that wasn't a good use of my time.

I simply pay them no mind. Whatever is rolling through on Zone chat I don't have to pay attention to it. If I spot someone advertising Gold or Crowns for real-life funds I do report those, but that isn't begging and not the point of this topic.

MidniteOwl1913 · December 2023

I just don't see that many beggars maybe it's more of a PC thing.

What annoys me are the people in zone chat buying "X", columbine, corn flower, etc for far far less then it's worth. They really do spam zone chat with this, it's often a long list. And you can ignore them in one zone only to find the exact same message from a "different" player in another zone, again over and over. Now that's annoying!

ClowdyAllDay · December 2023

Mithgil wrote: »

It's not scamming. Someone asks for something (for free), someone else can choose to give it to them, or not.

There is nothing ZOS needs to do about it.

There are those that beg for 1 or 2 alchemy mats for example. I will usually send that to them. If they offer to pay I decline the gold.

As for the gold beggars, I used to interact, or reply in Zone chat what they can do to get the gold quite easily in-game. I realized that wasn't a good use of my time.

I simply pay them no mind. Whatever is rolling through on Zone chat I don't have to pay attention to it. If I spot someone advertising Gold or Crowns for real-life funds I do report those, but that isn't begging and not the point of this topic.

if there is a scam, it's coming to the forums and trying to rile people into a frenzy about people doing things in game that are not a violation of the tos. Imagine inciting people to take action against someone for successfully playing the game? scaming people into buying into their ideology is the scammiest thing of all in my mind.

Brakkish · December 2023

Not gonna lie - haven't read past the first couple of posts in this thread, the topic, and the debate to closely follow was as predictable as it is in the game. Don't get sucked into a moral compass debate. Next up, religion, politics and race.

People for and against. This is a subject that's deeper than it's surface and might as well be locked down before it inevitably comes off the rails.

spartaxoxo · December 2023

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Mithgil wrote: »

It's not scamming. Someone asks for something (for free), someone else can choose to give it to them, or not.

There is nothing ZOS needs to do about it.

There are those that beg for 1 or 2 alchemy mats for example. I will usually send that to them. If they offer to pay I decline the gold.

As for the gold beggars, I used to interact, or reply in Zone chat what they can do to get the gold quite easily in-game. I realized that wasn't a good use of my time.

I simply pay them no mind. Whatever is rolling through on Zone chat I don't have to pay attention to it. If I spot someone advertising Gold or Crowns for real-life funds I do report those, but that isn't begging and not the point of this topic.

if there is a scam, it's coming to the forums and trying to rile people into a frenzy about people doing things in game that are not a violation of the tos. Imagine inciting people to take action against someone for successfully playing the game? scaming people into buying into their ideology is the scammiest thing of all in my mind.

Spam is against the TOS. And it doesn't include just saying the same thing in a single zone. There are other types of spam.

Spamming, flooding [posting repetitive text], thread bumping, trolling, baiting and any other disruptive behavior will not be tolerated. Purposefully circumventing any profanity filter or otherwise cursing or using profanity is not permitted

CrashTest · December 2023

Earlier I said this beggar spams as much as the gold seller bots. I was wrong. He's worse than the bots because at least the bots don't spam up the DLC zones.

Again, I know we can just ignore him, but this kind of begging is seriously beyond anything I've ever seen in game and I've been playing since launch. This guy has now upped his begging to 3 million.

It's obvious at this point he's not only a liar, but it seems like he's a troll too because when he spams zone chat, it causes arguments so even if I put him on ignore, I still have to see the consequences of his scummy spamming.

I'm not turning off my zone chat because of trolls and I shouldn't have to because it's there for us players to communicate with each other, not to be abused.

I agree with the OP. I don't want this extreme begging and spamming to become the norm in ESO.

Araneae6537 · December 2023

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Arthtur wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Arthtur wrote: »

So he asked for gold and said what he wanted and why. He is called a scammer.
In gift exchange thread there are players asking for a lot more than this "scammer". How do we call them?
Not going to lie, 1kk gold wont hurt as much as gifting an entire Item from crown store.
Im not going to talk if he is a scammer or not. It just wierd to me that there is so many worse "scams" close by and nobody talks about them. But someone asked the same thing on the zone chat and he is big bad guy.

They imply, in some of their long whiny posts, that they’ve been working so long and hard for such-and-such item and this is just the last bit they need, when really they’ve been doing this for a long time now. Multiple zones, every day. Perhaps “scam” is not exactly right but it’s generally deplorable behavior.

How can you compare the gifting thread??? People are invited to post their wishes there. Now if someone were to constantly make new posts, asking for the “one” thing they so desperately need, that would be approaching the same thing. I haven’t seen that and indeed, it would not be so easy to do as old posts don’t just disappear, etc.

As i said, i dont want to talk about if this one is a scam or not but how diffrent ppl treat the same thing on zone chat and on forums.
Person on Zone chat asks for 1kk gold. If i want i can make 5kk gold in one day so its rly not much for me. I know that for some 1kk is a lot but there is many players who wont have a problem with gifting such amount.
Now, another person ask for stuff worth over 20k CROWNS on forums and nobody talks about it. Does the thread name "Gift Exchange" rly justify such requests? The fact that ppl are "invited"? That amount of money would put food on my table for entire month.
Ppl dont have to make multiple post because 1 is enough as everyone cas see it. In game zone chat doesnt work like that. U write it once and barerly anyone will see it.
I dont know what more i can say. its just doesnt look normal for me. Tho im pretty sure it would be better to spend that amount of money on your mother, father and rest of the family, or even your friends who stick with you for years. Not a random person on game forums.
Anyway i think thats it for me. I just wanted to say that as i just couldnt stay silent about it. If u think its okay, all power to you.

Surely i struggle to find money for eso+ and the justification for such an extravagance. I'm also no fan of christmas. I hear you.

But if people can afford it, and it brings them joy to give, why to give to those who appreciate it as well? If that’s not your thing, totally fine!

For me, Christmas was fun as a child but I’m really not into it now, kind of neutral about it overall to be honest. But I participate in the thread because it is one way that I do feel something of the holiday spirit. There are no obligations or expectations to disappoint. I enjoy finding a request that I can fulfill, and if I can have some creativity in doing so, all the more so.

I think it’s not about the amount, but the intention.

SilverBride · December 2023

CrashTest wrote: »

Earlier I said this beggar spams as much as the gold seller bots. I was wrong. He's worse than the bots because at least the bots don't spam up the DLC zones.

Again, I know we can just ignore him, but this kind of begging is seriously beyond anything I've ever seen in game and I've been playing since launch. This guy has now upped his begging to 3 million.

It's obvious at this point he's not only a liar, but it seems like he's a troll too because when he spams zone chat, it causes arguments so even if I put him on ignore, I still have to see the consequences of his scummy spamming.

I'm not turning off my zone chat because of trolls and I shouldn't have to because it's there for us players to communicate with each other, not to be abused.

I agree with the OP. I don't want this extreme begging and spamming to become the norm in ESO.

It is really out of control.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

What is ZoS's stance on this kind of thing? Is it a violation of the ToS?

TaSheen · December 2023

Araneae6537 wrote: »

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Arthtur wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Arthtur wrote: »

So he asked for gold and said what he wanted and why. He is called a scammer.
In gift exchange thread there are players asking for a lot more than this "scammer". How do we call them?
Not going to lie, 1kk gold wont hurt as much as gifting an entire Item from crown store.
Im not going to talk if he is a scammer or not. It just wierd to me that there is so many worse "scams" close by and nobody talks about them. But someone asked the same thing on the zone chat and he is big bad guy.

They imply, in some of their long whiny posts, that they’ve been working so long and hard for such-and-such item and this is just the last bit they need, when really they’ve been doing this for a long time now. Multiple zones, every day. Perhaps “scam” is not exactly right but it’s generally deplorable behavior.

How can you compare the gifting thread??? People are invited to post their wishes there. Now if someone were to constantly make new posts, asking for the “one” thing they so desperately need, that would be approaching the same thing. I haven’t seen that and indeed, it would not be so easy to do as old posts don’t just disappear, etc.

As i said, i dont want to talk about if this one is a scam or not but how diffrent ppl treat the same thing on zone chat and on forums.
Person on Zone chat asks for 1kk gold. If i want i can make 5kk gold in one day so its rly not much for me. I know that for some 1kk is a lot but there is many players who wont have a problem with gifting such amount.
Now, another person ask for stuff worth over 20k CROWNS on forums and nobody talks about it. Does the thread name "Gift Exchange" rly justify such requests? The fact that ppl are "invited"? That amount of money would put food on my table for entire month.
Ppl dont have to make multiple post because 1 is enough as everyone cas see it. In game zone chat doesnt work like that. U write it once and barerly anyone will see it.
I dont know what more i can say. its just doesnt look normal for me. Tho im pretty sure it would be better to spend that amount of money on your mother, father and rest of the family, or even your friends who stick with you for years. Not a random person on game forums.
Anyway i think thats it for me. I just wanted to say that as i just couldnt stay silent about it. If u think its okay, all power to you.

Surely i struggle to find money for eso+ and the justification for such an extravagance. I'm also no fan of christmas. I hear you.

But if people can afford it, and it brings them joy to give, why to give to those who appreciate it as well? If that’s not your thing, totally fine!

For me, Christmas was fun as a child but I’m really not into it now, kind of neutral about it overall to be honest. But I participate in the thread because it is one way that I do feel something of the holiday spirit. There are no obligations or expectations to disappoint. I enjoy finding a request that I can fulfill, and if I can have some creativity in doing so, all the more so.

I think it’s not about the amount, but the intention.

I'm rather in the same boat - I've never been religious and Christmas in my house these days is for husband - who is entirely traditiional as he approaches the end of his life (no, not immanent, but hell - he'll be 90 next year and has various health issues).

I'm far more into the Wiccan year - wheel; Yule/Midwinter/Solstice suits me better than Christmas.